Royale with Cheese Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 43 minutes ago, teef said: heel, toe...heel, toe...heel, toe. You have to admit, this is adorable. Are you saying "awwwww" when you watch this? 2 minutes ago, BillsRdue said: this is great to hear. I am loving Allen so far. Hope he starts. When I glanced at this, I thought you said "I am loving Allen so much it hurts". That's the way I feel about alcohol.
thebandit27 Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 This is the exact thing that I said about Allen leading up to the draft: fix the footwork and develop some touch on the short-area boundary throws and you've got yourself a complete QB. 5
RoyBatty is alive Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 So does anyone think or world famous QB coach for the Bills David Culley is going to try to improve and change Allen's footwork...lets pray not.
TheElectricCompany Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 Good for Allen, making strides is all you can ask for. I'm a bit skeptical though. His pre draft accuracy issues were well documented. You're telling me it was mainly footwork that caused it, and he fixed it in a summer? Doesn't pass the smell test.
RoyBatty is alive Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 Just now, TheElectricCompany said: Good for Allen, making strides is all you can ask for. I'm a bit skeptical though. His pre draft accuracy issues were well documented. You're telling me it was mainly footwork that caused it, and he fixed it in a summer? Doesn't pass the smell test. Normally I would agree with your but so far it sure does pass the eye test. 1
oldmanfan Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 1 minute ago, TheElectricCompany said: Good for Allen, making strides is all you can ask for. I'm a bit skeptical though. His pre draft accuracy issues were well documented. You're telling me it was mainly footwork that caused it, and he fixed it in a summer? Doesn't pass the smell test. Maybe it's your nose that doesn't work 1 2
Da webster guy Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 Palmer was also the guy who was laughing at the supposed 60% and up completion percentage standard for doing well in the NFL. He said Allen played two years and threw 650 balls and here's Josh Rosen throwing twice as many over a three year college career (his junior year was a sub 60% btw) in a completely different system, the few percentage points difference becomes statistically insignificant when you look at every throw and grade them out, which he did for all five top qb's. He likened it to saying the RB who has the highest yards per carry average is almost NEVER the most talented running back, because of the variables (Oline, strength of passing game, strength of schedule, running into a stacked box etc) Well, either way, like all things in the NFL, we'll know for sure about Allen someday.............. 3
eball Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Sky Diver said: His completion rate so far is exactly what it was in college. Wow, talk about missing the point (and obviously not reading the article). 3 1
Lurker Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said: Good for Allen, making strides is all you can ask for. I'm a bit skeptical though. His pre draft accuracy issues were well documented. You're telling me it was mainly footwork that caused it, and he fixed it in a summer? Doesn't pass the smell test. It's going to take a larger body of work -- and against first team players -- before we have a better handle on his progress, IMO. It's fun to dream, but better to pump the breaks a bit with the 'he's fixed' talk. Although if he has a good game Sunday, talk away... Edited August 22, 2018 by Lurker 1
eball Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 45 minutes ago, BillnutinHouston said: See this is the major flaw of analytics - it relies solely on the past to predict the future. It can't take into account the impact of a coach identifying a flaw, or a player spending untold hours fixing it. Yup. The "advanced stats" gurus don't allow for growth and development -- ironically, "advancement."
Sky Diver Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, eball said: Wow, talk about missing the point (and obviously not reading the article). Not really interested in the article. The whole accuracy issue was a canard. 1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said: Maybe he can go on to be a backup/insurance salesman like all the Bama QBs ? Or a Rhodes Scholar finalist like Greg McElroy or a Hall of Famer like Joe Namath, Ken Stabler and Bart Starr. Edited August 22, 2018 by Sky Diver
TheElectricCompany Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, eball said: Yup. The "advanced stats" gurus don't allow for growth and development -- ironically, "advancement." That is an inaccurate statement. There are several models that have attempted to quantify a prospects floor and ceiling in the NFL. See Qbase. Of course, the whole thing hinges on college football stats, so if you don't look good on paper, you're screwed. 9 minutes ago, Lurker said: It's going to take a larger body of work -- and against first team players -- before we have a better handle on his progress, IMO. It's fun to dream, but better to pump the breaks a bit with the 'he's fixed' talk. Although if he has a good game Sunday, talk away... Sure, and when teams are playing to win, and not to evaluate, it becomes much more complex. We'll find out in 3 weeks just what we're working with. Edited August 22, 2018 by TheElectricCompany
RyanC883 Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Juice_32 said: The Bills MVP this year might be Jordan Plamer, who'd have thunk it. He seems like a great teacher. I'd imagine he will be a very busy man going into the 2019 draft. If Allen has some sort of rookie of the year campaign, Palmer will be VERY VERY busy!!
RoyBatty is alive Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 18 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Not really interested in the article. The whole accuracy issue was a canard. Or a Rhodes Scholar finalist like Greg McElroy or a Hall of Famer like Joe Namath, Ken Stabler and Bart Starr. What do you mean it was a canard, it certainly wasn't, it was a bona-fide concern, if it wasn't he would have been pick #1, his athletic superiority to the other QBs was/is undeniable.
Sky Diver Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 Warren Moon completed less than 50% of his passed in college. He/s now in the Hall of Fame. Analytics is just a tool. Just now, RoyBatty is alive said: What do you mean it was a canard, it certainly wasn't, it was a bona-fide concern, if it wasn't he would have been pick #1, his athletic superiority to the other QBs was/is undeniable. Way overblown by the analytics nuts most of whom have probably never even taken a basic stats course.
RyanC883 Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Bring it said: Awesome stuff! Apparently Allen is very coachable and learns quickly. That’s not much time to put it into his game even under pressure, so far. Kid has poise!! I love the fact that he is confident and coachable. Those traits can make a talented athlete an all-pro. 4
HappyDays Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 His footwork has come a very long way. I don't think I've ever seen a QB improve this much from college to the pros so quickly. Maybe Palmer really is a QB guru. 4
Chandler#81 Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 22 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Not really interested in the article. The whole accuracy issue was a canard. Or a Rhodes Scholar finalist like Greg McElroy or a Hall of Famer like Joe Namath, Ken Stabler and Bart Starr. Bear Bryant was a far better coach. Integrity, honest and made men better people. Saban? Not so much, no.. 1
TheElectricCompany Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Way overblown by the analytics nuts most of whom have probably never even taken a basic stats course. That's a good way of approaching it. Nobody really knows they are talking about.
Sky Diver Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Bear Bryant was a far better coach. Integrity, honest and made men better people. Saban? Not so much, no.. If you ever get a chance, visit the Bear Bryant Museum on the UA campus. It only costs a buck or two to get in and it's interesting. http://bryantmuseum.com/index.asp Edited August 22, 2018 by Sky Diver 2
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