C.Biscuit97 Posted August 20, 2018 Author Posted August 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, eball said: Of course I'm a homer -- this is my team! And I take none of it personally; I actually empathize with those of you who need to prove yourselves right all the time. Man is this how I sound like when I was a homer? Because it’s awful! ? Serious question, what did you say about EJ’s rookie preseason? Because I know I was sounding like how people are sounding about Allen’s preseason this year (and there’s nothing wrong with that).
BringMetheHeadofLeonLett Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 The only reason I could find for optimism with EJ was that he was on the field... which gave him a better chance for success at QB'ing an NFL team than, say, me, who wasn't on the field. Allen actually has a reasonable shot at becoming a good quarterback!
ProcessAccepted Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Fadingpain said: No, we got our Kelly replacement when EJ led the team to a comeback against Carolina. 5 years ago. At least that's what the 2BD brain trust told me at the time. I'll admit it, that comeback had me believing....
Heavy Kevi Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 Surprise surprise! A crusade thread. Btw yeah everybody was excited about EJ's preseason... But it's pretty obvious before it even started Allen is a better prospect, and now that it's underway it's pretty obvious Allen passes the "eye test" much better than EJ. I don't understand why people are so emotional about it quite frankly. Who cares if you were wrong about a prospect? Just be happy that there's a chance we have a franchuse QB. 3
eball Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Man is this how I sound like when I was a homer? Because it’s awful! ? Serious question, what did you say about EJ’s rookie preseason? Because I know I was sounding like how people are sounding about Allen’s preseason this year (and there’s nothing wrong with that). I was probably optimistic; why wouldn't I have been?
teef Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 30 minutes ago, Shotgunner said: Surprise surprise! A crusade thread. Btw yeah everybody was excited about EJ's preseason... But it's pretty obvious before it even started Allen is a better prospect, and now that it's underway it's pretty obvious Allen passes the "eye test" much better than EJ. I don't understand why people are so emotional about it quite frankly. Who cares if you were wrong about a prospect? Just be happy that there's a chance we have a franchuse QB. i'm willing to generically get excited about any new qb prospect just because it means the search might finally be over. if allen sucks, he sucks. pick another qb and try again. 1
BADOLBILZ Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Very solid start for him. Definitely looks the part. The moment doesn’t seem to big for him. 18-32 (56%) for 176 yards, 5.5 ypa, 2 tds, and 47 yards rushing. I can’t remember having a big guy who could move like that in forever. The only rookie QB I could remember with a similar start (totally blanking on his name, props to someone if they can remember it!) was a guy through 2 games his first preseason: 26-33 (79%) for 199 yards, 6 ypa, 2 tds, 0 ints, and 29 yards rushing. but it’s pretty clear. We FINALLY have our Kelly replacement. Trust the process!!! P.S. what a terrible Bills fan I am for not remembering that qb’s name!!! ? someone please help me out! In fairness that start for EJ was very much scheme aided. They were running up-tempo no-huddle stuff which made for very simplified reads. It was a great idea but just hard to sustain full time without extraordinary defensive depth.
JaBu Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: Shaw got hurt. If he hadn't and teamed up with OJ we'd have had quite the offense. Whoa, I have to totally disagree with that. Shaw had no arm, the opposite of JA. All he could throw were floaters, hence his very high interception rate; not only in the pro's, but going back to his college years. One of the best trades the Bills ever made was Dennis Shaw for Ahmad Rashad.
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 20, 2018 Author Posted August 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: In fairness that start for EJ was very much scheme aided. They were running up-tempo no-huddle stuff which made for very simplified reads. It was a great idea but just hard to sustain full time without extraordinary defensive depth. Fair point. It’s also EJ played relatively well for a rookie qb his first couple of games. Either way, it seems like it’s Allen’s job to lose. The whole point of this is just to show much different the preseason is than the regular season.
oldmanfan Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 1 hour ago, jabu said: Whoa, I have to totally disagree with that. Shaw had no arm, the opposite of JA. All he could throw were floaters, hence his very high interception rate; not only in the pro's, but going back to his college years. One of the best trades the Bills ever made was Dennis Shaw for Ahmad Rashad. I am not comparing their physical skills directly. Shaw was really good as a rookie and it would have been interesting to see how things would have gone had he not gotten hurt.
BuffaloBill Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 4 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Bad Qbs can get lucky and have some incredible early success until DCs learn how to game plan them. Not that I think Josh Allen is a bad QB but the statement is absolutely true. What DC’s will eventually have trouble with is Allen’s arm talent.
Jay_Fixit Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 (edited) If only Andy Reid were the coach. However I’d be worried that he didn’t have a first or second overall pick to work with. Edited August 20, 2018 by Jay_Fixit
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Very solid start for him. Definitely looks the part. The moment doesn’t seem to big for him. 18-32 (56%) for 176 yards, 5.5 ypa, 2 tds, and 47 yards rushing. I can’t remember having a big guy who could move like that in forever. The only rookie QB I could remember with a similar start (totally blanking on his name, props to someone if they can remember it!) was a guy through 2 games his first preseason: 26-33 (79%) for 199 yards, 6 ypa, 2 tds, 0 ints, and 29 yards rushing. but it’s pretty clear. We FINALLY have our Kelly replacement. Trust the process!!! P.S. what a terrible Bills fan I am for not remembering that qb’s name!!! ? someone please help me out! You have literally just ice bucketed me... fair- this situation is ooozing with parallels... - having to pick a qb - vet plan A getting hurt - potentially a sham QB competition thatreally only has one outcome The thing i think that is standing out about Allen are the types of unscripted plays he’s making. But I get it your point. Im sure Trent was a camp/preseason superstar too. I guess what is happening is everyone said he was inaccurate which is unfixable and then he has made elite nfl level accurate throws... next game should tell us a lot if he starts 3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Man is this how I sound like when I was a homer? Because it’s awful! ? Serious question, what did you say about EJ’s rookie preseason? Because I know I was sounding like how people are sounding about Allen’s preseason this year (and there’s nothing wrong with that). Im guilty- bought a #3 jersey and everything i wont be doing that again 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 4 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Wasnt he Offensive rookie of the year and in a few more fizzled out. How about Vince Young, he was offensive rookie of the year and look where he landed, even JP Losman once healthy and had his best year when he had a ful season under him. Bad Qbs can get lucky and have some incredible early success until DCs learn how to game plan them. ...Jesus, Allen in the same sentence as those two?.....worse than North Korea's Kim Jong Dong feeding his uncle to starved dogs.............
Chandler#81 Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 Well, Johnny Green looked pretty good. But at the time, he was the ONLY Player we had.. Trent (Cap’n Checkdown) had an exciting 1st training camp. As did Dennis Shaw. But nothing, NOTHING I say- will ever compare to the unemployed QB from the Houston Gamblers/NJ Generals in ‘86.
ThunderGun Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 5 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Haha, got me! Just a reminder that it’s ok to get excited but the preseason really is meaningless (though it’s so awesome to have football back). Disagre... it’s not the stats, it’s the way he does it -defenders in his face, showing poise and ability to climb in the pocket, and not having slow as !@#$ eyes 1
Rico Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 15 minutes ago, ThunderGun said: Disagre... it’s not the stats, it’s the way he does it -defenders in his face, showing poise and ability to climb in the pocket, and not having slow as !@#$ eyes Amen. This thread proves once again that stats are for losers.
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Jay_Fixit said: If only Andy Reid were the coach. If Andy Reid were the coach, local buffet owners would be almost as happy as they were when the Ryan brothers were in town.
JaBu Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: I am not comparing their physical skills directly. Shaw was really good as a rookie and it would have been interesting to see how things would have gone had he not gotten hurt. I don't remember an injury being that significant. Even in his ROY season he had 10 TD's to 20 Interceptions. He finished his career with 35 TD's to 68 Interceptions. He had trouble reading defenses and floated his passes.
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