Kelly the Dog Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 Allen was 9-13 which is 69%. One of his incompletions was a spike to stop the clock. So he was actually 9-12 for 75%. These kind of stats are meaningless. 2
GoBills808 Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 56 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Guys who had accuracy issues coming out of college. Particularly guys who didn't complete fewer than 57% of the throws they attempted at the collegiate level. There's the context. Whew, thank god for that 57% context then. Because for a second I thought you were going to pick some totally arbitrary collegiate completion percentage.
The Senator Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Mikey152 said: People said he was a "project" because they thought he had crappy accuracy and sloppy footwork. But the reality is he is a smart kid who ran what was quite possibly the most (or second most behind Rosen) pro-style offense of all the rookies. Not to mention his physical tools which can mask some of the typical rookie problems. He had the highest floor, not the lowest...once you got past the narrative that he couldn't hit the broadside of a barn, anyway (bear in mind this sentiment was based almost 100% on his stats and not his actual ability) So im watching the replay of the Bills-Browns game right now - it’s apparent that McCarron is not our starter. He can’t move the chains, and isn’t worth a crap. Why are so many TBD. posters in favor of Peterman? Start Allen NOW!!!!
26CornerBlitz Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 Matt Parrino and Ryan Talbot tak Bills' QB situation.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said: Yeh just ol' Rodak stirring the pot. Meaningless well....... unless the players initials are NP And no I am not trashing Josh or promoting Nate. The line sure has changed in 1 years time.
jrober38 Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mikey152 said: You're completely missing the point about being drafted in the top 10. Guys don't wind up there by accident. Some dude drafted in the third round with a sub 57% completion percentage might have unfixable issues. But a guy drafted in the top 10 either has a trump card or, upon further scrutiny, his stats weren't a true reflection of his ability. Maybe both. Considering first round QBs bust more than 50% of the time plenty of bad QBs have wound up picked in the top 10 by accident. There have been plenty of 1st round QBs with accuracy problems picked over past 20 years. All of them have been busts. I hope Allen becomes a great player, I just don't think it's going to happen. History pretty clearly isn't on his side. Edited August 20, 2018 by jrober38
Augie Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 14 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Matt Parrino and Ryan Talbot tak Bills' QB situation. The line that got my attention was “there’s no turning back”, which is a real consideration. I’ll just let this play out, but so far, so good!
PlayoffsPlease Posted August 20, 2018 Author Posted August 20, 2018 2 hours ago, jrober38 said: I hope he isn't named starter. This preseason has been fairly reminiscent of 2013 when we signed Matt Flynn to keep EJ Manuel on the bench, he got hurt and we didn't bother trying to find another QB and we let our unprepared 1st round project on the field far too early. EJ had played relatively well, and we opted to start him even though the scouting reports all said he was a project. Allen is also a project, and although he's had a decent preseason so far making a couple flashy throws, we need to remember that he's mostly playing vanilla coverages and things will be much more complicated once the regular season begins and the games matter. His completion percentage and particularly his YPA is still very low so we shouldn't be acting like he's lighting the world on fire. What he has done is look the part in terms of demeanour and his control of the huddle, but we shouldn't get carried away. A small sample size of work in the preseason doesn't negate hours of film study which showed Allen as a guy who has a lot of work left to do. Additionally, Peterman has looked pretty good. I'd rather "trust the process" and play Peterman for as long as we can and stick with the plan to develop Allen. Putting him on the bench for a month or two, and letting him learn to be a pro and watch film on his opponents to see what he'll face in the regular season seems like the best option when thinking long term. I know the fans want instant gratification, but if the hope is that he'll be our QB for 10 years, I can wait a month, or even the full year if it increases his chances of being successful in the long run. This post is wrong on many levels. Allen and Manuel are night and day different levels of talent .
snamsnoops Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Considering first round QBs bust more than 50% of the time plenty of bad QBs have wound up picked in the top 10 by accident. There have been plenty of 1st round QBs with accuracy problems picked over past 20 years. All of them have been busts. I hope Allen becomes a great player, I just don't think it's going to happen. History pretty clearly isn't on his side. Maybe stop looking at history and start watching him play? Just a suggestion.....
PlayoffsPlease Posted August 20, 2018 Author Posted August 20, 2018 11 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Considering first round QBs bust more than 50% of the time plenty of bad QBs have wound up picked in the top 10 by accident. There have been plenty of 1st round QBs with accuracy problems picked over past 20 years. All of them have been busts. I hope Allen becomes a great player, I just don't think it's going to happen. History pretty clearly isn't on his side. I can fix this for you. He does NOT have accuracy issues.
Heitz Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 Quote @AdamSchefter Rookie QB Josh Allen will start Buffalo’s third preseason game vs. Cincinnati, per source. Here we go, baby!! 1 1
GoBills808 Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 Just stashing this here for posterity: On 4/16/2018 at 12:39 PM, GoBills808 said: I vote for Allen. 1
BuffaloHokie13 Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Just stashing this here for posterity: PIGGYBACKING! On 4/28/2018 at 8:55 PM, BuffaloHokie13 said: I just don't think he's a piece of clay. I think he's a smart QB who has some experience under center, reading alignments, and adjusting protections at the line. He had some footwork issues that he has been working with Jordan Palmer to fix for months and he comes across as very aware of those issues. My impression is that the best thing he can get at this point is more experience - Carson Wentz style. He comes across as a guy who learns best from doing, so if he's even close to AJ in terms of reading & adjusting I'm playing him. He's not a converted TE who's learning how to play QB, he's a QB who needs more experience. And yeah, I know that flies in the face of everything people said previously. That's just my impression of the kid after researching more, watching film again, listening to him talk and field questions, and talking to him briefly. 1
BB@Shooter Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 On 8/19/2018 at 1:50 PM, blzrul said: Every time we get a promising rookie, we ruin him by throwing him in before he's ready. It makes you wonder if they were the right guys. I am thinking they weren't.
thunderingsquid Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 On 8/17/2018 at 6:38 PM, Fixxxer said: Allen just called more audibles in a quarter of football than Tyrod Taylor in three years as a Buffalo Bill. They guy seems to be in command of the offense. I'm afraid that Vlad Ducasse and weak ass Bodine will get the starter killed once the games are for real. THIS!!!!
starrymessenger Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 I don't put much stock in completion percentage. It is to a significant extent actually a team stat more than a measure of QB efficiency. Thing is, JA's stat sheet from his 2017 season is bad disregarding completion percentage. Yards per completion (low) and drop percentage (also low compared with the other first round QBs) are not good. He only threw one pass over forty yards in 2017. Fully 30 % of his throws travelled 5 or fewer yards from the line of scrimmage (and the short game was something he wasn't especially good at). So for a guy with huge arm he didn't exactly use it to stretch the field. There are three different JAs based on his 2017 tape: A guy who looks so good that he seems to be playing in a different dimension than other players, a guy who is mediocre, and a guy who is flat out atrocious. And each of the three Josh's is well represented. Given his extraordinary physical abilities, his intelligence, work ethic, personality I have always been inclined to throw out the entirety of his college stat sheet. Mason Rudolph's stats are much better than Allen's and obviously no one was ever going to draft Rudolph ahead of him. IMO he is worth the big bet that the Bills made in drafting him where they did. And what we've seen in preseason so far is very encouraging. The front end of the Bills schedule is pretty brutal. I wouldn't start him right away. But if he plays very well next Sunday I think McD's hand will be forced. Let's see how he makes out against Atkins (who has also looked great in preseason).
allpurpose Posted August 26, 2018 Posted August 26, 2018 Allen is doing ok considering the Bengals defensive line which is pretty darn good with Geno and Billings , Dunlap and Lawson.. I'm kind of surprised he's still upright and able to walk at this point.. You might have a keeper IF you're oline can keep him from the dreaded surgeons knife..
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 26, 2018 Posted August 26, 2018 13 minutes ago, allpurpose said: Allen is doing ok considering the Bengals defensive line which is pretty darn good with Geno and Billings , Dunlap and Lawson.. I'm kind of surprised he's still upright and able to walk at this point.. You might have a keeper IF you're oline can keep him from the dreaded surgeons knife.. ...manhandled by the Bengals AND Browns....we're on the wrong side of uh..oh....
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