Admiral William H. McRaven

[Tiberius]

5 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

I shall just assume you know Rome things due to your name. I was thinking 'who, from Rome, is Trump most like' and I can't squeeze anything out of the Republican era due to Romans being a warlike society of Men....but ya can in the Imperium. Caligula. Mr. "Little Boots".  Only, at least Caligula had an excuse -- all of what he did can easily be explained to his horrific and tragic childhood. And Caligula was a popular emperor at first because he would just babble what the people wanted, never saying no. His spending quickly outpaced tax receipts. His depravity (not all of which can be true) is historic which is saying something. His contempt of the Senate is very similar to Trump's contempt of our Republican structure -- Trump is no republican (traditional sense, not modern) he's an autocrat wannabe. I also remember a story of Caligula taking a field trip into Germany where his guard helped him play imperator in a fake battle, and then when real Germans showed up they ran like hell back to their side of the Rhine. Caligula was a liar. An idiot. And he definitely deserved his death. Yup, Trump reminds me a lot of Caligula. They even have incest in common -- I'm a father, and I have a beautiful daughter, but I would never make a comment that 'she's so pretty she's somebody I would date' because that would be an icky thing that somebody like a draft dodger would say. Or a Hapsburg. 

 

In fact, "Little Boots" is a good name for Trump. Little Boots.

It's just so difficult to make the comparison between these eras. If I remembered correctly, Rome was already a dictatorship when Caligula came to power. Trump's ignorance does remind me of Diocletican in the sense that he tried curbing inflation with price controls, which of course failed. BUt Dio was successful in other areas. Roman history is not a huge focus for me, I always found it frustrating to study because the evidence is so fragmentary in so many ways. But, their system lasted as long as it did because of human capital in the form of discipline and organization, in the face of greed, corruption and oppression. So hopefully our system survives with the human capital contained in the good people and we overcome this--hopefully--interregnum of buffoonery. 

3 minutes ago, westside said:

You're long winded self righteous posts are a bore. You're nothing but trailer park trash.  A big old loud mouthed dud. 

Be nice, you are bad at being mean 

[boyst]

3 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

This is something I hear a lot of unlearned people say. 

 

Do ya know what some people do for a profession? They assume things. You can find these assumers all over the place. From finance to the military. People are paid to make assumptions. What do you think a business venture is based on? Assumptions. Speculations. Most assumptions are data driven, but at the end of the day you're forced to assume.

Like, I'm projecting right now my payroll for the Fall and I'll assume a 5% increase on last years gross. Does that mean I'll gain 5% more? Not necessarily. But to make my plans I'm forced to assume. 

Now a Walmart cashier will be quick to give the old line 'you make an ass out of u and me when you assume' and they always think they're channeled into some form of wisdom when they say that because they're too ignorant to know that their hours they work are predicated on assumptions. But they don't know -- they're the ants at the bottom. Who aren't assuming anything. 

I honestly realized a while ago when I read a post.  Generally when it starts from a soap box of projection I can read the first sentence and learn all I need to once self grandstanding is done. Disirregaedless, I read the entire post and was not let down.

 

No one assumes for a living. That's the most ridiculous statement that could be made. Of course, certain irony exists that I could be said to assume this but anyone of "learned"-ness doesn't. Detectives, investigators, financial analysts, etc.  They don't just assume. That's such a blatant ridiculous statement that is so common to PPP that it makes any other argument or statement you made weighted down for possible validity.

[The_Dude]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

It's just so difficult to make the comparison between these eras. If I remembered correctly, Rome was already a dictatorship when Caligula came to power. Trump's ignorance does remind me of Diocletican in the sense that he tried curbing inflation with price controls, which of course failed. BUt Dio was successful in other areas. Roman history is not a huge focus for me, I always found it frustrating to study because the evidence is so fragmentary in so many ways. But, their system lasted as long as it did because of human capital in the form of discipline and organization, in the face of greed, corruption and oppression. So hopefully our system survives with the human capital contained in the good people and we overcome this--hopefully--interregnum of buffoonery. 

Be nice, you are bad at being mean 

 

Caligula was Germanicus' son and part of the Julii branch of the Julio-Claudian dynasty. Germanicus was super badass, and Tiberius (Emperor #2, who was a Claudian, and a douche) killed Germanicus (Germanicus died of an "unknown disease" aka poison) because Tiberius' crazy ass feared him.

 

Diocletian was a GREAT ruler. He saved Rome. So Trump is nothing like him. Diocletian wasn't ignorant -- this was an issue never before dealt with. Diocletian was in charge of fixing the currency issue. The economy was tanking after years of debasement of coins. Diocletian had much better coins minted, but he didn't know you had to take the bad coins out of circulation to fix the issue. What Diocletian did set the stage for the middle ages with his tax/bartering system. Cant give cash? That's fine, the Empire will take goats, pigs, fodder, shirts, swords, and that sort of thing. Diocletian was a good emperor who basically stopped Rome from dying an earlier death. So, Trump cannot be compared to him. Diocletian, also wasn't a coward. Now he was responsible for the "dominant" form of government that middle age monarchs referenced to justify their diving power and so on.... But history remembers Diocletian well. History will not be kind to Trump.

[boyst]

1 minute ago, The_Dude said:

 

Caligula was Germanicus' son and part of the Julii branch of the Julio-Claudian dynasty. Germanicus was super badass, and Tiberius (Emperor #2, who was a Claudian, and a douche) killed Germanicus (Germanicus died of an "unknown disease" aka poison) because Tiberius' crazy ass feared him.

 

Diocletian was a GREAT ruler. He saved Rome. So Trump is nothing like him. Diocletian wasn't ignorant -- this was an issue never before dealt with. Diocletian was in charge of fixing the currency issue. The economy was tanking after years of debasement of coins. Diocletian had much better coins minted, but he didn't know you had to take the bad coins out of circulation to fix the issue. What Diocletian did set the stage for the middle ages with his tax/bartering system. Cant give cash? That's fine, the Empire will take goats, pigs, fodder, shirts, swords, and that sort of thing. Diocletian was a good emperor who basically stopped Rome from dying an earlier death. So, Trump cannot be compared to him. Diocletian, also wasn't a coward. Now he was responsible for the "dominant" form of government that middle age monarchs referenced to justify their diving power and so on.... But history remembers Diocletian well. History will not be kind to Trump.

You realize he is literally googling his information and rewriting it as his response to you.

 

He's been a proven plagiarizing twatwaffle before.

[The_Dude]

7 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

I honestly realized a while ago when I read a post.  Generally when it starts from a soap box of projection I can read the first sentence and learn all I need to once self grandstanding is done. Disirregaedless, I read the entire post and was not let down.

 

No one assumes for a living. That's the most ridiculous statement that could be made. Of course, certain irony exists that I could be said to assume this but anyone of "learned"-ness doesn't. Detectives, investigators, financial analysts, etc.  They don't just assume. That's such a blatant ridiculous statement that is so common to PPP that it makes any other argument or statement you made weighted down for possible validity.

 

Ok...except people do. Like, I just told you how I do so in my profession. If you're employed sir it is because somebody is assuming. 

I do not have the funds to pay my employees next month. I'm not firing them today because I'm going to assume I'll generate revenues between now and then.

 

People assume every day. It's how business is done. In the military, when we were aware that there was an unkown variable, we'd assume. Then we'd conduct reconnaissance (that's where I came in) to see if our assumptions were accurate.  

 

 

1 minute ago, Boyst62 said:

You realize he is literally googling his information and rewriting it as his response to you.

 

He's been a proven plagiarizing twatwaffle before.

 

That was a lot to google in a short amount of time and regurgitate. 

Or, I'm a dude who is obsessed with history because I believe it is through history that we can avoid the disasters of yesterday, and we can utilize it for blueprints going forward. 

As for Roman history, that is my particular hobby. I can go Romulus to Augustulus pretty well, and then to 1453 when the Muslims finally wiped out the last of the Romans. Though my Byzantine knowledge isn't as good as my Western knowledge. 

[Tiberius]

4 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

Caligula was Germanicus' son and part of the Julii branch of the Julio-Claudian dynasty. Germanicus was super badass, and Tiberius (Emperor #2, who was a Claudian, and a douche) killed Germanicus (Germanicus died of an "unknown disease" aka poison) because Tiberius' crazy ass feared him.

 

Diocletian was a GREAT ruler. He saved Rome. So Trump is nothing like him. Diocletian wasn't ignorant -- this was an issue never before dealt with. Diocletian was in charge of fixing the currency issue. The economy was tanking after years of debasement of coins. Diocletian had much better coins minted, but he didn't know you had to take the bad coins out of circulation to fix the issue. What Diocletian did set the stage for the middle ages with his tax/bartering system. Cant give cash? That's fine, the Empire will take goats, pigs, fodder, shirts, swords, and that sort of thing. Diocletian was a good emperor who basically stopped Rome from dying an earlier death. So, Trump cannot be compared to him. Diocletian, also wasn't a coward. Now he was responsible for the "dominant" form of government that middle age monarchs referenced to justify their diving power and so on.... But history remembers Diocletian well. History will not be kind to Trump.

There was also the issue of shortages that drove up prices under Dio, and nothing a change in the money supply could fix. 

 

My my name comes from the Gracchus, the BC populists and reformers who were murdered by the oligarchs for attempting land reform. 

[The_Dude]

4 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

 He's been a proven plagiarizing twatwaffle before.

 

When? Never. I despise plagiarism almost as much as I do draft dodging. 

 

Well done, Trumper.... Lie loud, lie big, lie often. Well done. Little Boots would be proud. 

Just now, Tiberius said:

There was also the issue of shortages that drove up prices under Dio, and nothing a change in the money supply could fix. 

 

My my name comes from the Gracchus, the BC populists and reformers who were murdered by the oligarchs for attempting land reform. 

 

Im quite familiar with the Grachi. Hell, I would have been on their side at that point and I'm a republican. 

[row_33]

i guess it's the new snowflake touchy-feely era for people with clearance

 

you don't feel having clearance means even 1% loyalty to your country, or to shut your !@#$ing mouth while employed

 

and rush to let out a weepy letter when nature took its course

 

 

[3rdnlng]

Gator is a widely known plagiarizer. It should be obvious to anyone with a functional brain. In his normal, everyday posting he has poor spelling, bad grammar and doesn't know what punctuation is. He every so often posts a lengthy paragraph or so about something that is phrased properly about a subject that few know anything about.

[DC Tom]

57 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

I shall just assume you know Rome things due to your name.

 

He used to be gatorman.  You going to assume he's a herpetologist too?

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

10 hours ago, DC Tom said:

 

 

My favorite part of all this has been watching liberals bend over backwards to talk up the CIA, the FBI and the military industrial complex.. It's awesome. 

 

 

[Tiberius]

Just now, DC Tom said:

 

He used to be gatorman.  You going to assume he's a herpetologist too?

Speaking of duchebags! Look who shows up. 

[row_33]

9 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

My favorite part of all this has been watching liberals bend over backwards to talk up the CIA, the FBI and the military industrial complex.. It's awesome. 

 

 

 

after Watergate and the Church Commission the CIA/FBI was the evilest thing on the planet to all liberals

 

now they pretend they always worshiped the spooks

 

better to have a brain and think for yourself than to be a liberal

 

[Tiberius]

Just now, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

My favorite part of all this has been watching liberals bend over backwards to talk up the CIA, the FBI and the military industrial complex.. It's awesome. 

 

 

Why, are they suppose to be helping a traitor work with Russia? Or just looking the other way while that happens. 

[The_Dude]

Just now, DC Tom said:

 

He used to be gatorman.  You going to assume he's a herpetologist too?

 

Well since I was unfamiliar with the word till I googled, no. 

But, he says he knows Grachi things, so I take him at his word. The Grachi were very influential once upon a time. And they were decent people. 

[Tiberius]

Just now, row_33 said:

 

after Watergate and the Church Commission the CIA/FBI was the evilest thing on the planet to all liberals

 

now they pretend they always worshiped the spooks

 

better to have a brain and think for yourself than to be a liberal

 

They are not the Catholic Church, and are actually able to reform. J Edgar is no longer in charge 

[The_Dude]

3 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Gator is a widely known plagiarizer. It should be obvious to anyone with a functional brain. In his normal, everyday posting he has poor spelling, bad grammar and doesn't know what punctuation is. He every so often posts a lengthy paragraph or so about something that is phrased properly about a subject that few know anything about.

 

One of my best customers is a dude who probably owns about 80 properties in and around Atlanta. He used to be a VP for a large bank. He quit that funny business to enjoy life, and his real estate pays his way for a comfortable living. This guy often sends me emails with grammatical errors. He doesn't care and neither do I because our correspondence is just to say 'hey, I want you to know this' and he's so successful, and worth I don't even know how much. He sends emails with errors because he's a busy guy and doesn't proof read what he writes when its just an informal email. This is a message board. In life, it counts for nothing. Grammar, schmammar. 

You've gigged me on my writing and I just laugh. It proves nothing. I mean, what kind of logic suggests 'you're point on the matter is invalid because you forgot a comma'? But I see internet people do that all the time. Ridiculous. It does not stand up to any reasoning. 

[row_33]

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thank you ignore button!

 

these clowns at the top think they are too valuable to be kicked out of the process

 

at a wedding reception years ago i sat with a former HR VP for a MNC and he whined FOR 3 HOURS how GM or Ford or Toyota or whatever would collapse because he was no longer in charge of things there, and his daughter kept it going with tears the whole time too in support, they ruined the dinner for the other 8 sitting at the table

 

i sat there and resisted saying the place will do fine without you....

 

 

[3rdnlng]

7 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

One of my best customers is a dude who probably owns about 80 properties in and around Atlanta. He used to be a VP for a large bank. He quit that funny business to enjoy life, and his real estate pays his way for a comfortable living. This guy often sends me emails with grammatical errors. He doesn't care and neither do I because our correspondence is just to say 'hey, I want you to know this' and he's so successful, and worth I don't even know how much. He sends emails with errors because he's a busy guy and doesn't proof read what he writes when its just an informal email. This is a message board. In life, it counts for nothing. Grammar, schmammar. 

You've gigged me on my writing and I just laugh. It proves nothing. I mean, what kind of logic suggests 'you're point on the matter is invalid because you forgot a comma'? But I see internet people do that all the time. Ridiculous. It does not stand up to any reasoning. 

 

[row_33]

10 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

 

 

keeps him from muttering the same stuff while sitting on a park bench