#34fan Posted August 19, 2018 Author Share Posted August 19, 2018 On 8/16/2018 at 7:56 AM, DC Tom said: What part of "got troops out of Iraq" did you not understand? Obama did not visit the troops in Iraq after he "got the troops out of Iraq," either. What a bunch of hard-charging 'tards… There's nearly 10,000 US troops still serving in Afghanistan, and around 8,000 in Iraq... They won't disappear because you morons cover your ears and holler like idiots. On 8/16/2018 at 8:01 AM, 3rdnlng said: You know what really pisses me off? That damn Trump has never visited that CIA operative that we have that is close to Putin. You mean the guy who's intel Trump refuses to believe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted August 19, 2018 Author Share Posted August 19, 2018 On 8/16/2018 at 11:57 AM, joesixpack said: Never mind the fact that it was the Soviets who truly destroyed the Nazis. The Japanese were doomed from the beginning. On 8/12/2018 at 3:58 PM, joesixpack said: I always LOL at “the greatest generation.” that generation raised the degenerate boomers. That generation saddled us with SS and Medicare. So that's your level of respect for the tens of thousands of Americans who gave their lives in places like Normandy, Iwo Jima, Peleliu, Guadalcanal, Saipan, and Okinawa to name a few... Can't say I'm surprised, but I am disgusted... Guess they should have all gotten doctor's notes for bone spurs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 36 minutes ago, #34fan said: So that's your level of respect for the tens of thousands of Americans who gave their lives in places like Normandy, Iwo Jima, Peleliu, Guadalcanal, Saipan, and Okinawa to name a few... Can't say I'm surprised, but I am disgusted... Guess they should have all gotten doctor's notes for bone spurs... Don't forget the draft dodgers at Willow Run, Kaiser Shipyards, and Pratt and Whitney, who did more to defeat the Nazis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) 41 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Don't forget the draft dodgers at Willow Run, Kaiser Shipyards, and Pratt and Whitney, who did more to defeat the Nazis... What are you referring to? Seriously, I’m stumped. That’s not often. I do desire to know wverything though its impossible. A boy can try though. Edited August 19, 2018 by The_Dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 11 minutes ago, The_Dude said: What are you referring to? Seriously, I’m stumped. That’s not often. I do desire to know wverything though its impossible. A boy can try though. Silly wabbit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 30 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Silly wabbit! God only knows how that happened. I wonder how I could have done such a thing on a qwerty keyboard. Amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 1 hour ago, The_Dude said: What are you referring to? Seriously, I’m stumped. That’s not often. I do desire to know wverything though its impossible. A boy can try though. Willow Run? Ford plant that churned out B-24s, one every hour in 1944. Was one of the largest shop floors on the planet, and didn't even exist in 1940. Kaiser shipyards built somewhere around 20 million tons of shipping from about 1940 through 1945 (in comparison, total tonnage worldwide on 9/1/1939 was about 55 million tons). The hundred-thousand or so men employed there arguably did more to win the war than the 82nd Airborne jumping in to Sainte Mere Eglise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 8 hours ago, DC Tom said: Willow Run? Ford plant that churned out B-24s, one every hour in 1944. Was one of the largest shop floors on the planet, and didn't even exist in 1940. Kaiser shipyards built somewhere around 20 million tons of shipping from about 1940 through 1945 (in comparison, total tonnage worldwide on 9/1/1939 was about 55 million tons). The hundred-thousand or so men employed there arguably did more to win the war than the 82nd Airborne jumping in to Sainte Mere Eglise. Ah. I did did not know about those places. I just know from looking at the books that the Soviets and Americans were able to out produce Germany in a manner that wasn’t even close which is why they (Germany) went for quality over quantity. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 The new draft dodger: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 On 8/15/2018 at 6:46 AM, TakeYouToTasker said: It's central to the point, and leaves individuals like you talking out both sides of your mouths, which is why you haven't/won't answer the question directly. I also find it interesting that you're lampooning the President for not using the military as a show pony to propagandize as Bush, Clinton, and Obama did. Do you feel that the President should use the military for photo-ops as a propaganda tool for the popularity of his Administration? If so, why? Why do you think Trump wants to roll tanks and troops in the streets of DC like they do in North Korea ? Is there a bigger military photo ops than a freaking parade ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted August 19, 2018 Author Share Posted August 19, 2018 13 hours ago, DC Tom said: Don't forget the draft dodgers at Willow Run, Kaiser Shipyards, and Pratt and Whitney, who did more to defeat the Nazis... To compare this buffoon to people who manned the dangerous factories, and forges that built and designed the weapons needed to prevail in that war is absurd. You're really underscoring your reputation as a fellow coward, and sympathizer to the chickensh_t-in-chief. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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B-Man Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 . All the actual real complaints that one could bring up against the Trumpster, and you keep pushing this pig excrement........... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted August 19, 2018 Author Share Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) On 8/16/2018 at 11:57 AM, joesixpack said: Never mind the fact that it was the Soviets who truly destroyed the Nazis. The Japanese were doomed from the beginning. Absolute. Crazy. Talk. First of all, we could not have done it without the Bolsheviks. -That much is true. But to say that they were the ones who "truly destroyed the Nazis" is nonsense... First of all, it was Hitler who truly destroyed the Nazis with his horrendous miscalculations, poor strategy, and flat-out dumb ideas... Hitler rejected the wisdom of his most brilliant commanders and generals, and instead confided in fellow dumasses like Himmler, and Goering, who basically told him what he wanted to hear. (although he would come to hate Goering later.) Of Course, the commies had 2 personal stakes in reaching Berlin first. 1. The Krauts broke treaty and attacked them. Raping, looting, and pillaging their way across southern Russia.. 2. Tehran, and Yalta guaranteed the Reds a handsome zone of influence in Germany. -They were charging in to secure and claim it. Your claim regarding the Japanese is equally nonsensical... The JIA wasn't big onsurrendering conquered territory in the Pacific without a fight... It simply didn't matter if they were going to lose or not. (although often, they won.) It was largely up to U.S.forces to physically remove tens of thousands of JIA from their dug-in, booby-trapped. positions... -Undoubtedly, no small feat. Edited August 19, 2018 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 4 hours ago, The_Dude said: Ah. I did did not know about those places. I just know from looking at the books that the Soviets and Americans were able to out produce Germany in a manner that wasn’t even close which is why they (Germany) went for quality over quantity. Thank you. The Soviet production miracle is just that - a miracle. They lost, conservatively, 40% of their national economy in 1941, and managed to rebuild it east of the Urals and outproduce the Germans. The American production effort is mind-boggling. For perspective: there were three major Allied offensives in 1944, Overlord, Forager (invasion of the Marianas), and Bagration (Byelorussia and eastern Poland). Everyone here knows how big D-Day was. What most don't know is that simultaneously the US Armed Forces were projecting a 125,000 man army across several thousand miles of the Pacific to invade the Marianas, accompanied the largest combat fleet in the world (by a wide margin). And Bagration...while fought with mostly Russian weapons (though about 10% of the tanks and planes were lend-lease), they rode on American trucks (about 300,000), marched in American boots (shoe leather for half the army), rode to the front on American rails (40,000 miles of rail lines), and ate American food (about 1500 calories of battlefield rations, per soldier, per day, for the entire war.) Hell, food alone...when Lend-Lease to Russia ended after the war, there was a famine - they couldn't grow enough food on a post-war peacetime footing to feed their own people. England had war-time rationing in effect until the early-50s. India experienced an early wartime famine after Japanese cut of rice exports from Southeast Asia. It's not unreasonable to suggest that America biggest contribution to victory was feeding everyone. 13 minutes ago, #34fan said: Absolute. Crazy. Talk. First of all, we could not have done it without the Bolsheviks. -That much is true. But to say that they were the ones who "truly destroyed the Nazis" is nonsense... First of all, it was Hitler who truly destroyed the Nazis with his horrendous miscalculations, poor strategy, and flat-out dumb ideas... Hitler rejected the wisdom of his most brilliant commanders and generals, and instead confided in fellow dumasses like Himmler, and Goering, who basically told him what he wanted to hear. (although he would come to hate Goering later.) Of Course, the commies had 2 personal stakes in reaching Berlin first. 1. The Krauts broke treaty and attacked them. Raping, looting, and pillaging their way across southern Russia.. 2. Tehran, and Yalta guaranteed the Reds a handsome zone of influence in Germany. -They were charging in to secure and claim it. Your claim regarding the Japanese is equally nonsensical... The JIA wasn't big onsurrendering conquered territory in the Pacific without a fight... It simply didn't matter if they were going to lose or not. (although often, they won.) It was largely up to U.S.forces to physically remove tens of thousands of JIA from their dug-in, booby-trapped. positions... -Undoubtedly, no small feat. You are !@#$ing stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Iron Maiden said: Why do you think Trump wants to roll tanks and troops in the streets of DC like they do in North Korea ? Is there a bigger military photo ops than a freaking parade ? You'll note that I asked a question in response to someone who attacked the President for not staging military photo ops in various foriegn theaters. I'll take this as you disagreeing with that poster's contentions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, DC Tom said: The American production effort is mind-boggling. What's even MORE mind-boggling is that the Nazis didn't introduce a total-war economy until what, 1942? Up until that point they were still producing luxury items for domestic consumption. You have to wonder what the outcome of the war would have been had they started with a 100% war-focused economy in, say, 1940. Edited August 19, 2018 by joesixpack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, joesixpack said: What's even MORE mind-boggling is that the Nazis didn't introduce a total-war economy until what, 1942? Up until that point they were still producing luxury items for domestic consumption Not mind-boggling at all. They were terrified of another revolution, like 1918. Most of the stupid German decisions make more sense when you put them in the context of reacting to World War 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted August 19, 2018 Author Share Posted August 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: You'll note that I asked a question in response to someone who attacked the President for not staging military photo ops in various foriegn theaters. Trump won't hesitate to invoke the military as a sound bite at every Trump rally! -Why not visit the men and women in combat you're using as political astro-glide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, #34fan said: Trump won't hesitate to invoke the military as a sound bite at every Trump rally! -Why not visit the men and women in combat you're using as political astro-glide? Is this much different than any other politician in the past? Bush jr. With terrorism Obama with the rights of trannies, gays, tolerance, others that he proselytized Clinton when describing those not paying their fair share even as the economy boomed .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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