Allen should start with #1's

[Kelly the Dog]

13 minutes ago, Yeezus said:

 

B+ is very generous. he gets a solid C. Missed quite a few throws, but made up for it with some plays with his legs. Arm strength is there but still needs work on the deep connection with the WR's. 

Two of the three deep balls were excellent passes and should have been caught. The third was caught in stride but OB. That was not good but just faded on him. 

[gobills1212]

4 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Two of the three deep balls were excellent passes and should have been caught. The third was caught in stride but OB. That was not good but just faded on him. 

Exactly! I took a bunch of things away from his performance, most of which was exciting bc of potential(positive and negative) - but his long ball isnt even something i thought of let alone worried about..

[Bockeye]

12 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

What I see is inconsistency, which is going to be his personal demon throughout his career.

 

The entire issue with him is whether or not he can play on a high level, consistently.  We now he can do it here and there.

 

He was also displaying a tendency to bail on the pocket and run which I didn't like, though I won't draw too many conclusions from it tonight b/c he was getting murdered back there.

 

I totally agree he should get time with the #1s.  I don't see the point in trying to evaluating him behind the 3rd string line at all!

 

 

Call me blind, but a few posters are saying he "bailed the pocket".  Not true at all - he either stood tall, stepped up, or fled the pocket because pressure was actually coming.  Watch the entire series of his throws and point to an instance where he bailed the pocket (maybe I missed one).   Quite the opposite, if you focus solely on his movement in the pocket he did very well, the only real gaffe being his run backwards and almost throwing a pick. 

 

Also - for the media fawning Mayfield over Allen, watch all of Allen's throws and then watch all of Mayfield's throws last night.  I think you'll be impressed with Allen (not knocking Mayfield).  Mayfield had some head scratching throws in the same manner of "what was that".  Overall though, I'd say Allen had a few more WOW throws and tougher throws than Mayfield.  Going to be fun watching these rookie QB's. 

 

 

Edited August 10, 2018 by Bockeye
Apologies to ScottLaw - I mixed Mayfield in on the accuracy of Allen. 

[Wayne Cubed]

5 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

Folks are overlooking all the stuff Allen did wrong or poorly and focusing on the odd highlight type throw or run that he admittedly did make on occasion.

 

That's not good enough in the NFL long term though.  

 

For now, it is, b/c we have no expectations, it's the pre-season, and Allen is a rookie getting his first playing time in.

 

Allen will need to continually eliminate physical and mental errors as well as play on a consistently high level if he is going to develop into the player the Bills hoped he would be.

 

The fact that he can make a great throw on occasion is not the measure of success.

 

 

 

 

 

Come on, your bias is completely showing in this post. The odd highlight throw? Do you think every QB makes every throw 'hightlight type'? The clue is in the name, it's a highlight type throw BECAUSE it's made on occasion. Otherwise they'd just be called, 'a throw'.

 

He had 4 very, very good throws('hightlight type'), had 2 standard throws on comebacks and 3 throws that showed he does have touch on his short passes, a knock on him coming out. Those were his completions. He also threw 2 long balls that were very well thrown and if it wasn't Foster, they might have actually been caught. He had a couple drops, mind you he put the ball where it needed to be on those throws and Foster(surprise, surprise) and Proehl dropped them. Those, IMO, are his positive throws.

 

Saying that he had 2 balls he definitely shouldn't have thrown, the long one to Foster was 1 yard out of bounds, tried to force two in and had a pass broken up. Also, on 2 of his throws it's tough to tell where the miscommunication was, did Allen throw to the wrong spot or did the WR run a wrong route? We don't know. Anyways those are his poor throws.

 

You know what we didn't see? The inaccuracies that were talked about coming out. 

 

No one's overlooking what he did poorly, it just wasn't nearly as bad as you make it sound.

 

 

[Fred Clause]

6 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

Folks are overlooking all the stuff Allen did wrong or poorly and focusing on the odd highlight type throw or run that he admittedly did make on occasion.

 

That's not good enough in the NFL long term though.  

 

For now, it is, b/c we have no expectations, it's the pre-season, and Allen is a rookie getting his first playing time in.

 

Allen will need to continually eliminate physical and mental errors as well as play on a consistently high level if he is going to develop into the player the Bills hoped he would be.

 

The fact that he can make a great throw on occasion is not the measure of success.

 

 

 

 

Some are ignoring the enormous pressure he faced and that he was dealing with receivers that won’t be on the team in 3 weeks...

[Misterbluesky]

6 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said:

Grading Allen on a curve (which we all should; it’s his very first game) I’d give him a B+. Not ready to start, but looks much closer than I’d thought he’d be.

 

One thing I saw that stuck out: his footwork looked pretty bad in the 3rd quarter, and then seemed to markedly improve in the 4th. I chalk that up to nerves I guess.

 

i did not see him “constantly under immediate pressure” as others have suggested. Looks like that popular excuse from college is going to carry over into his pro years.

 

he probably should have went 12/19 (63%, which is good enough) Foster did him no favors, but Lee bailed him out on a pass that should not have been thrown.

 

all in all, pretty good.

Don't forget the fact not one of the wideouts got separation on the 2 pt conversation attempt...but yet some people are pinning the failed play on him too.

[wppete]

 

[FeelingOnYouboty]

Getting bigger Matthew Stafford vibes from him. I hope we surround him with weapons that accentuate his strengths.

[Mango]

13 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:

Don't forget the fact not one of the wideouts got separation on the 2 pt conversation attempt...but yet some people are pinning the failed play on him too.

 

The issue is, in that situation, on a 2 point conversion, you can’t let the play break down like that. He needed to get rid of the ball and at least give somebody a chance to make a play. 

 

It’s a 2 point conversion, there is zero downside to just letting it rip. 

Edited August 10, 2018 by Mango

[jrober38]

Josh Allen looked exactly how I expected him to look. He has an enormous arm, he can move really well to avoid pressure, and he completes a low percentage of his passes. 

 

Ultimately we score 7 points with him on the field. Given how Peterman and McCarron looked, Allen is still the #3 guy until further notice. He showed flashes, but he's got to show he can move the chains more consistently to challenge for the #1 job. 

[Misterbluesky]

John Murphy just said he wants Allen to start against Cleveland.

[ndirish1978]

Allen shouldn't start the season so I don't want him starting Game 2. He can play the entirety of game 3 once they settle on a starter though, he needs live reps to grow, but I don't want him leading the offense yet. 

[Misterbluesky]

1 minute ago, ndirish1978 said:

Allen shouldn't start the season so I don't want him starting Game 2. He can play the entirety of game 3 once they settle on a starter though, he needs live reps to grow, but I don't want him leading the offense yet. 

Game three is a dress rehearsal for the opening day starter.

[Bangarang]

With how AJM and Peterman looked, I don’t see that happening. He’ll have to earn that opportunity.

[LikeIGiveADarn]

9 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:

John Murphy just said he wants Allen to start against Cleveland.

 

I think you start McCaron next week so you can properly evaluate who starts between him and Peterman week 3 and to stsrt the season, and start Allen the last game.

[NewEraBills]

Honestly, I thought other than the rookie play, Allen actually looks like he belongs.  He showed poise and command in the huddle.  I thought he was late on the one perimeter pass early 4th qtr which could have led to an INT.  His deep pass to Foster in the 4th really should have been a TD.  Foster slowed himself down which prevented him from being where the ball landed for the catch.  Foster better turn things around quickly because right now he's cutting himself.  Allen hit Foster on a hitch in the 4th and he just dropped it.  Hit him right in the chest.

 

Allen showed good mobility too.  The Panthers did bring pressure against him a couple of times and I like the way he escapes.  Now this was a string of plays about 5 mins or so left in the 4th where the Panthers turned it up a little.  I think they rattled Allen a little bit.  It's good for him though.  He needs to see that, learn from it.

[BillsFan4]

13 hours ago, MURPHD6 said:

9/19 = 47% 

his college percentage in 2017 was 56%

He needs to improve in this area before he can start.

Ideally the floor is 60%, and from what we saw tonight he has a long way to go.

 

Had Proehl or Reilly (whoever it was) not dropped that pass, and if Foster hadn’t stopped running on that long ball or slowed down to track the other long ball, suddenly Josh Allen is 12 for 19 with a 63.19 completion %. 

 

 

I know that’s not how it works. But his accuracy last night wasn’t nearly as bad as that 47% stat line makes it look. 

 

 

I agree that he has a ways to go yet before he’s ready to start. 

[LABILLBACKER]

14 hours ago, Beach said:

You can see the potential and you can also see he is NOT ready yet.  

That's fine. I don't want to see him rushed in for our own eagerness. Let him develop. Nate and AJ can hold down the fort.

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, BillsFan4 said:

Had Proehl or Reilly (whoever it was) not dropped that pass, and if Foster hadn’t stopped running on that long ball or slowed down to track the other long ball, suddenly Josh Allen is 12 for 19 with a 63.19 completion %. 

 

 

I know that’s not how it works. But his accuracy last night wasn’t nearly as bad as that 47% stat line makes it look. 

 

 

I agree that he has a ways to go yet before he’s ready to start. 

Bingo

 

Everyone wants to poke at the completion percentage....he is throwing BOMBS which are always going to be lower percentage...they are also more big play high scoring game potential

[Misterbluesky]

1 minute ago, LikeIGiveADarn said:

 

I think you start McCaron next week so you can properly evaluate who starts between him and Peterman week 3 and to stsrt the season, and start Allen the last game.

Allen needs to play with the #1's at some point.