JoPar_v2 Posted August 10, 2018 Posted August 10, 2018 (edited) Grading Allen on a curve (which we all should; it’s his very first game) I’d give him a B+. Not ready to start, but looks much closer than I’d thought he’d be. One thing I saw that stuck out: his footwork looked pretty bad in the 3rd quarter, and then seemed to markedly improve in the 4th. I chalk that up to nerves I guess. i did not see him “constantly under immediate pressure” as others have suggested. Looks like that popular excuse from college is going to carry over into his pro years. he probably should have went 12/19 (63%, which is good enough) Foster did him no favors, but Lee bailed him out on a pass that should not have been thrown. all in all, pretty good. Edited August 10, 2018 by JoPar_v2
Fadingpain Posted August 10, 2018 Posted August 10, 2018 Folks are overlooking all the stuff Allen did wrong or poorly and focusing on the odd highlight type throw or run that he admittedly did make on occasion. That's not good enough in the NFL long term though. For now, it is, b/c we have no expectations, it's the pre-season, and Allen is a rookie getting his first playing time in. Allen will need to continually eliminate physical and mental errors as well as play on a consistently high level if he is going to develop into the player the Bills hoped he would be. The fact that he can make a great throw on occasion is not the measure of success. 1
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 10, 2018 Posted August 10, 2018 6 hours ago, Fadingpain said: What I see is inconsistency, which is going to be his personal demon throughout his career. The entire issue with him is whether or not he can play on a high level, consistently. We now he can do it here and there. He was also displaying a tendency to bail on the pocket and run which I didn't like, though I won't draw too many conclusions from it tonight b/c he was getting murdered back there. I totally agree he should get time with the #1s. I don't see the point in trying to evaluating him behind the 3rd string line at all! Youre seeing what you think you should be seeing.
ALF Posted August 10, 2018 Posted August 10, 2018 Once Allen gets in sync with a true WR speedster he will be the next mad bomber.
Green Lightning Posted August 10, 2018 Posted August 10, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said: Ooof. What did you watch with because it wasn’t your eyes. I watched him throw 11 for 19. He threw some lasers and threw some losers. He's raw. He needs to develop. Edited August 10, 2018 by Green Lightning
Magnetar Posted August 10, 2018 Posted August 10, 2018 7 hours ago, rodneykm said: You need to go talk to Bret Favre. Right, because he's the model QB, so many like him have has success. 7 hours ago, Jeetz1231 said: I think they drafted him with the idea that he is starting material. Right, they think/thought he is, most others do/did not think that. That's the problem, the blinders they might be wearing.
stony Posted August 10, 2018 Posted August 10, 2018 2 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said: Grading Allen on a curve (which we all should; it’s his very first game) I’d give him a B+. Not ready to start, but looks much closer than I’d thought he’d be. One thing I saw that stuck out: his footwork looked pretty bad in the 3rd quarter, and then seemed to markedly improve in the 4th. I chalk that up to nerves I guess. i did not see him “constantly under immediate pressure” as others have suggested. Looks like that popular excuse from college is going to carry over into his pro years. he probably should have went 12/19 (63%, which is good enough) Foster did him no favors, but Lee bailed him out on a pass that should not have been thrown. all in all, pretty good. This is fair. He's raw as hell, but looked more than just an arm. He wants to make plays, it almost looked like he knew he was in a competition and his competitors put in a decent lap. This will have it's downsides as he almost pulled a Matt Simms last night. All in all, pretty much what I expected. Side note, if Peterman and AJM play decent again next week, are they going to carry all three into the regular season?
FeelingOnYouboty Posted August 10, 2018 Posted August 10, 2018 Special talent but he needs some work. I'm all in though.
hemma Posted August 10, 2018 Posted August 10, 2018 He can wing it, for sure. Let him play all of Game 4.
SCBills Posted August 10, 2018 Posted August 10, 2018 I disagree that the Lee throw shouldn’t have been made. He can make it. He made it. It was accurate and only where Lee could catch it. I didnt think the OL was terrible but he should’ve had a couple more completions and, perhaps, another TD. That would be very similar to Baker’s outing, which is being lauded as the most incredible debut ever by some. Thing is, Baker was out there with two of his top targets in Callaway and Njoku. Allen had Ray-Ray, Foster, Croom and Lee.
HappyDays Posted August 10, 2018 Posted August 10, 2018 3 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said: Lee bailed him out on a pass that should not have been thrown. I don't know if that ball should have been thrown but Lee didn't bail him out. It was a perfect pass put where only his TE could get it. It couldn't have been thrown better. Now everything he did on that pass is the opposite of what they teach you but his arm is so strong he can get away with it.
Troll Toll Posted August 10, 2018 Posted August 10, 2018 (edited) I can’t believe there is any negative feedback on Allen. I was a doubter pre-draft, but he already blew away anything we saw from EJ Manuel. The biggest thing that impressed me was his vision and aggressive decision making. When he starts, the days where we watch our QBs refuse to throw past the first down marker will be gone. He understands when to take chances. He had a couple rookie mistakes, but will probably be ready to start by midseason. This kid will really challenge defenses. Teams won’t be able to squat on the line of scrimmage regardless of our receivers. Edited August 10, 2018 by Troll Toll 1
oldmanfan Posted August 10, 2018 Posted August 10, 2018 10 hours ago, Magnetar said: That's the thing, he may never be ready for the NFL due to inaccuracy. I mean, everyone knew that before the draft... I think tonight he showed exactly what he is going to be. Some wow plays, but mostly too inconsistent. I know it's only one pre-season game, but if some fans are already anointing him as going to be great. I know it's only one preseason game, but some are already anointing him as a failure despite making some good plays last night... Admit it, you're one of those who'd rather be able to come on a message board and say you were right vs. actually root for the team to succeed. 1 1
Juror#8 Posted August 10, 2018 Posted August 10, 2018 Allen looked like he had one professional live action game under his belt. Allen is a gunslinger and a playmaker in the making. He will be fine. As an aside, why do people insist on adding an apostrophe + s to most words that ends in an “s” though that word possesses/owns nothing in the sentence? “Allen should start with the 1’s.” The one’s what? Finish the sentence. You used an apostrophe + s so there has to be something else there. Does that one own a car or a house or some Vaseline intensive care? What does that mean? What the !@#$ does the “1” own in this instance? I get it ... “grammar shmammar,” right? But what is so hard about dropping the misplaced apostrophe and making the sentence actually make sense? Why not, simply: “Allen should start with the 1s.” Boom. Easy. Shows a mastery of really basic English and one less keystroke to boot. To me that’s too easy not to do. Sorry, along with improper usage of “than” and “then” it’s just a pet peeve. 1 1
cd1 Posted August 10, 2018 Posted August 10, 2018 10 hours ago, Beach said: You can see the potential and you can also see he is NOT ready yet. ^^^^ THIS ^^^^ The kid is very GREEN Bringing him along slowly is absolutely THE thing to do. 4 hours ago, Fadingpain said: Folks are overlooking all the stuff Allen did wrong or poorly and focusing on the odd highlight type throw or run that he admittedly did make on occasion. That's not good enough in the NFL long term though. For now, it is, b/c we have no expectations, it's the pre-season, and Allen is a rookie getting his first playing time in. Allen will need to continually eliminate physical and mental errors as well as play on a consistently high level if he is going to develop into the player the Bills hoped he would be. The fact that he can make a great throw on occasion is not the measure of success. I am praying for more than JP Losman 2.0 Let the kid learn slowly!
TigerJ Posted August 10, 2018 Posted August 10, 2018 11 hours ago, Beach said: You can see the potential and you can also see he is NOT ready yet. This is pretty much my opinion too. I don't know that I need to see him with the firsts. I would like to see him with better line play in front of him. I did see some things I lliked. He threw some short passes on target with touch. He doesn't always feel the need to fire the ball as if out of a canon. He also showed his ability to sling it while off balance, but we knew he could do that. He didn't seem to panic despite being under a lot of pressure. But, he was far from perfect.
stony Posted August 10, 2018 Posted August 10, 2018 31 minutes ago, Juror#8 said: Allen looked like he had one professional live action game under his belt. Allen is a gunslinger and a playmaker in the making. He will be fine. As an aside, why do people insist on adding an apostrophe + s to most words that ends in an “s” though that word possesses/owns nothing in the sentence? “Allen should start with the 1’s.” The one’s what? Finish the sentence. You used an apostrophe + s so there has to be something else there. Does that one own a car or a house or some Vaseline intensive care? What does that mean? What the !@#$ does the “1” own in this instance? I get it ... “grammar shmammar,” right? But what is so hard about dropping the misplaced apostrophe and making the sentence actually make sense? Why not, simply: “Allen should start with the 1s.” Boom. Easy. Shows a mastery of really basic English and one less keystroke to boot. To me that’s too easy not to do. Sorry, along with improper usage of “than” and “then” it’s just a pet peeve. What did you think about the offensive line?
JoPar_v2 Posted August 10, 2018 Posted August 10, 2018 59 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I don't know if that ball should have been thrown but Lee didn't bail him out. It was a perfect pass put where only his TE could get it. It couldn't have been thrown better. Now everything he did on that pass is the opposite of what they teach you but his arm is so strong he can get away with it. Whipping it off his back foot going backwards and that ball gets picked by starting defenses. Not a good throw or decision. Allen was lucky Lee was defended by someone a foot shorter than him.
Chandler#81 Posted August 10, 2018 Posted August 10, 2018 11 hours ago, Jerome007 said: Inconsistent? Yes. Some rookie mistakes? Yes. He will likelu throw a few INT with too much youthful enthusiasm and desire to make every play? Yes. Inaccurate? Come on now. I saw none of that supposed dismal accuracy of his. Immense potential. He is exciting as hell! He's like the opposite of Tyrod. You can sense he'll throw twice as much INTs as TT and make some dumb mistakes that make you cringe... but also double the TDs and some WOW plays in there! Opposing defenses will have nightmares as they have to cover deep on every play. His stretching of the filed might even open Shady for some big runs. I agree, although Taylor epitomized McDermotts’ ‘Process’ with ball control/very few T/O’s and Sean will not stand for putting his Defense in precarious situations. Allen’s style would likely have him starting for KC/GB/Philly/NO (present starters notwithstanding), but not in Sean’s big picture. For better or worse, he’ll ride the pine here until he learns what NOT TO THROW. jmo. 2
Yeezus Posted August 10, 2018 Posted August 10, 2018 5 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said: Grading Allen on a curve (which we all should; it’s his very first game) I’d give him a B+. Not ready to start, but looks much closer than I’d thought he’d be. One thing I saw that stuck out: his footwork looked pretty bad in the 3rd quarter, and then seemed to markedly improve in the 4th. I chalk that up to nerves I guess. i did not see him “constantly under immediate pressure” as others have suggested. Looks like that popular excuse from college is going to carry over into his pro years. he probably should have went 12/19 (63%, which is good enough) Foster did him no favors, but Lee bailed him out on a pass that should not have been thrown. all in all, pretty good. B+ is very generous. he gets a solid C. Missed quite a few throws, but made up for it with some plays with his legs. Arm strength is there but still needs work on the deep connection with the WR's.
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