Allen should start with #1's

[ndirish1978]

1 hour ago, joesixpack said:

So, in a full half of snaps, you count two at most incidences of "poor decisions" and your conclusion is that his decision making is faulty?

 

You're taking what I said and pushing the implication a bit too far. I like Allen and I think he made rookie mistakes because he was excited to be in the game. I don't want some fluke injury to derail his progression. I don't want him starting because I think he 1- needs to work on accuracy and decision making 2- stands to be able to do both of these things in practice while remaining on the bench during the season 3- the 2 guys who are actually competing to start have very little game experience and need it. Does that mean I want them to coddle him? Yep, that's what I want. I want him wrapped in bubble wrap and I want everyone to tell him he's special and pat him on the head and buy him cookies. Then, I want him to come out next year and tear the division to pieces because we've suffered through enough terrible QB play these past 18 years. 

Edited August 10, 2018 by ndirish1978

[Laughing Coffin]

Allen will get time with the 2s in game 4. I think as of right now, the Peterman/McCarron battle is definitely not over, and they're not going to withhold reps from either of those two guys just to see Allen who I believe they have no intention of playing this year anyways.

Would be smart to internally at least determine the starter after game 3, and then Flip flop Allen/Backup so Allen starts the first half and the other plays the 2nd half.

[SouthNYfan]

2 hours ago, joesixpack said:

 

This is just people who hated the pick doubling down.

 

That's all it is.

 

 

Even the panic flail throw while he was being sacked was on a 4th down conversion attempt, so it was a turnover even if he did get sacked, so he was like 'lemme wing it'.

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

My observation is that Alan is clearly not ready to be the starter.   

 

So my stance that McDermott won’t rush him into the starting job stands strong.  

[sullim4]

Agree, Allen is not ready to start.  But damn, he has tons of upside and potential.

 

I wouldn't mind seeing him with the 1's in the fourth preseason game just to see how he does... but he has no business starting the first game of the season based on his performance last night.

[xxxxxxxx]

10 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Just cut 'em, so the whining will stop.... ?

That was an objective observation. I think your confused.

16 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

Had Proehl or Reilly (whoever it was) not dropped that pass, and if Foster hadn’t stopped running on that long ball or slowed down to track the other long ball, suddenly Josh Allen is 12 for 19 with a 63.19 completion %. 

 

 

I know that’s not how it works. But his accuracy last night wasn’t nearly as bad as that 47% stat line makes it look. 

 

 

I agree that he has a ways to go yet before he’s ready to start. 

There were also two nice grabs on balls that could have be INC, so its a wash. If the system is pass first, and it looks like it is, he has to be at 60 % at least. Or else we will be giving the ball back far to quickly.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

12 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

My observation is that Alan is clearly not ready to be the starter.   

 

So my stance that McDermott won’t rush him into the starting job stands strong.  

 

...agree bud......no need to rush the kid......McCarron & Peterman are both capable of keeping "the seat" warm IMO..........

[MAJBobby]

I would Love to see Allen with the 1s. Just dont think it happens. They have a very methodical plan and are going to stick by it. I dont see Allen playing until after the bye at the earliest 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

15 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

My observation is that Alan is clearly not ready to be the starter.   

 

So my stance that McDermott won’t rush him into the starting job stands strong.  

 

Clearly, huh?

 

Tell us what makes your observation clear. In detail. With examples.

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

12 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

Clearly, huh?

 

Tell us what makes your observation clear. In detail. With examples.

 

Oh here we go.   Lets think I’m anti Allen.   Far from it joe. 

 

Based on TBD analysts over the years 

45% completion ratio (9 of 20 was it) is not good.  

 

Some passes were not even close.  

 

3s you say?  Hasn’t he had the majority of time working with these guys?

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Based on TBD analysts over the years 

 

 

here's your problem.

 

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Some passes were not even close.  

 

Again, details. To your trained eye, which of his passes "were not even close?" let me help you:

 

 

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(9 of 20 was it) 

 

9/19. it would be helpful if you were factually correct.

 

Edited August 11, 2018 by joesixpack

[Hapless Bills Fan]

15 hours ago, sullim4 said:

Agree, Allen is not ready to start.  But damn, he has tons of upside and potential.

 

I wouldn't mind seeing him with the 1's in the fourth preseason game just to see how he does... but he has no business starting the first game of the season based on his performance last night.

 

Unless McD does things way differently, you're only gonna see the 1's for about half a series in the fourth preseason game

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

14 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

here's your problem.

 

 

Again, details. To your trained eye, which of his passes "were not even close?" let me help you:

 

 

 

9/19. it would be helpful if you were factually correct.

 

Lol again.  

 

Yes, the TD pass was impressive 

 

again you are making a poor assumption of my assessment.  

 

Have patience joe have patience 

 

Oooh.  I was off by one pass.   Lets criticize a small error. 

 

9 /19 for 116 yards 

 

Edited August 11, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, ShadyBillsFan said:

9 /19 for 116 yards is factually correct.    I’m not sure what stats you are looking at. 

 

 

 

You said 9/20.

 

When working on percentages, it helps to have the number correct.

 

You made a factual statement "Some passes were not even close" and attributed it to his overblown accuracy "issues." So again, I ask, which passes were not even close?

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Overblown???  

 

Lols 

I fixed my error and what was I parentheses indicated an assumption. 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Overblown???  

 

Lols 

I fixed my error and what was I parentheses indicated an assumption. 

 

 

Yes, overblown. They're completely non-contextual and opinion-based.

 

Are you going to answer my question as to which of his passes were not even close? Or should I not bother wasting my time?

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

Yes, overblown. They're completely non-contextual and opinion-based.

 

Are you going to answer my question as to which of his passes were not even close? Or should I not bother wasting my time?

 

Just having this discussion with you on this is wasting time.  

 

You are seeing what you want to see. 

Me I’m  taking a cautious approach 

 

what did Josh do on one pass that was 5 yards off?   He tapped his chest saying my bad.  

 

Or didn’t you see that? 

 

Regardless I’m done here. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

 

 

Regardless I’m done here. 

 

I figured as much.

 

A baseless statement from someone, unable to be backed by fact. it's the MO of a good many around here. If ONE pass missed is enough for you to "clearly" determine he's not ready, then it's not me who's seeing what I want to see. It's you.

 

Edited August 11, 2018 by joesixpack

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

28 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

I figured as much.

 

A baseless statement from someone, unable to be backed by fact. it's the MO of a good many around here. If ONE pass missed is enough for you to "clearly" determine he's not ready, then it's not me who's seeing what I want to see. It's you.

 

If I wanted to be an ass I’d have posted the disaster that was the 4th and goal play.  

 

But it I’m not.  Have a nice day. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

And you'd still be off-base. Attempting to make a play there is far better than just eating it. It's fourth down.

 

Even THAT play showed he had awareness of the situation, though it could have ended up an INT.