Peterman is now officially TRADE BAIT

[wppete]

There is no way. We are keeping 3 QBs this year.

[Lurker]

While short passing can be effective, you cant't do it exclusively.   Other than the Streeter throw, that was Nate's night:

 

Series 1:

1. 1-10-BUF 15(12:31) (Shotgun) 2-N.Peterman pass incomplete short left to 39-T.Cadet. Receiver and coverage at BUF 27. PENALTY on CAR-27-K.Seymour, Defensive Pass Interference, 12 yards, enforced at BUF 15 - No Play.
2. 1-10-BUF 27(12:26) (Shotgun) 2-N.Peterman pass short left to 18-A.Holmes to BUF 37 for 10 yards (27-K.Seymour). Caught in flat at BUF 31.
3. 1-10-BUF 37(11:47) 2-N.Peterman pass short left to 13-K.Benjamin to BUF 48 for 11 yards (58-T.Davis, 27-K.Seymour). Caught in flat at BUF 45.
4. 1-10-BUF 48(11:07) (Shotgun) 2-N.Peterman pass short right to 13-K.Benjamin pushed ob at CAR 46 for 6 yards (54-S.Thompson). Caught near sideline at CAR 46.
5. 2-4-CAR 46(10:22) 33-C.Ivory up the middle to CAR 49 for -3 yards (97-M.Addison, 29-M.Adams).
6. 3-7-CAR 48(9:47) PENALTY on BUF-62-V.Ducasse, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at CAR 48 - No Play.
7. 3-12-BUF 47(9:31) PENALTY on CAR-96-W.Horton, Neutral Zone Infraction, 5 yards, enforced at BUF 47 - No Play.
8. 3-7-CAR 48(9:12) (Shotgun) 2-N.Peterman pass short right to 13-K.Benjamin pushed ob at CAR 34 for 14 yards (26-D.Jackson). Caught along sideline at CAR 34.
9. 1-10-CAR 34(8:39) 2-N.Peterman pass short left to 85-C.Clay to CAR 30 for 4 yards (54-S.Thompson). Caught near sideline at CAR 35.
10. 2-6-CAR 30(8:07) 2-N.Peterman pass deep left to 81-R.Streater for 30 yards, TOUCHDOWN NULLIFIED by Penalty [92-V.Butler]. Caught near sideline, 6 yds. into end zone. Penalty on BUF-81-R.Streater, Offensive Pass Interference, offsetting, enforced at CAR 30 - No Play. Penalty on CAR-92-V.Butler, Roughing the Passer, offsetting.
11. 2-6-CAR 30(8:01) (Shotgun) 2-N.Peterman pass short left to 39-T.Cadet to CAR 28 for 2 yards (58-T.Davis). Screen pass, caught at CAR 36.
12. 3-4-CAR 28(7:23) (Shotgun) 2-N.Peterman pass deep left to 13-K.Benjamin for 28 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Caught near sideline at CAR 10.  (the ball was in the air 18 yards and was dropped in, not zipped)

Series 2:

1. -10-BUF 27(2:09) 2-N.Peterman pass short middle to 33-C.Ivory to CAR 44 for 29 yards (26-D.Jackson). CAR-92-V.Butler was injured during the play. Caught at BUF 30, slanting to right. V.Butler walks off.
2. 1-10-CAR 44(1:32) (Shotgun) 2-N.Peterman pass short right to 45-M.Murphy to CAR 29 for 15 yards (54-S.Thompson, 55-D.Mayo). Screen pass, caught at CAR 49.
3. 1-10-CAR 29(:50) (Shotgun) 45-M.Murphy up the middle to CAR 26 for 3 yards (42-C.Jones).
4. 2-7-CAR 26(:13) (Shotgun) 2-N.Peterman pass short middle intended for 33-C.Ivory INTERCEPTED by 54-S.Thompson at CAR 21. 54-S.Thompson to CAR 27 for 6 yards (84-N.O'Leary). Through receiver's hands before INT.

 

 

[Tyrod's friend]

12 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

If the guy just had a little more zip in that arm he'd be the starter hands down before Josh is ready. Showed good vision, progression and control of the offense. Unfortunately his arm reminds me of Chad Pennington.

Nothing wrong with Chad.

[billsbackto81]

1 minute ago, wppete said:

There is no way. We are keeping 3 QBs this year.

Why not? And if not, who goes? I still think AJM gives them the best chance to win now if they put Josh on the back burner.

Just now, Tyrod's friend said:

Nothing wrong with Chad.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PennCh01.htm

 

Nothing spectacular either. But for a back up role, more than good enough.

[Wsam4031]

2 hours ago, cd1 said:

 

For those folks, it is no longer REALLY about Nate Peterman. NOW it is all about defending their (hasty) judgement/opinion.

 

IF, Peterman ends up being the backup QB for the Bills, we will NEVER hear the end of it - EVER.

 

 

Funny, "2 good series" was enough to crucify him, why shouldn't it be enough to resurrect him?

 

Careful Nate haters, you soon will be in a position to aim your poor judgement at our newest rookie. 

 

WHEN will Josh make HIS fatal mistake?

Im not a Nate hater im just saying 2 series is hardly enough to anoint him Savior and think we have a lot of trade bait. I never crucified him for his god awful 5 int game. thought that game had a lot to do with other aspects of the game than just NP. IE turnstyle mills watching Bosa fly by him all day

[Tyrod's friend]

4 minutes ago, Lurker said:

While short passing can be effective, you cant't do it exclusively.   Other than the Streeter throw, that was Nate's night:

 

Series 1:

1. 1-10-BUF 15(12:31) (Shotgun) 2-N.Peterman pass incomplete short left to 39-T.Cadet. Receiver and coverage at BUF 27. PENALTY on CAR-27-K.Seymour, Defensive Pass Interference, 12 yards, enforced at BUF 15 - No Play.
2. 1-10-BUF 27(12:26) (Shotgun) 2-N.Peterman pass short left to 18-A.Holmes to BUF 37 for 10 yards (27-K.Seymour). Caught in flat at BUF 31.
3. 1-10-BUF 37(11:47) 2-N.Peterman pass short left to 13-K.Benjamin to BUF 48 for 11 yards (58-T.Davis, 27-K.Seymour). Caught in flat at BUF 45.
4. 1-10-BUF 48(11:07) (Shotgun) 2-N.Peterman pass short right to 13-K.Benjamin pushed ob at CAR 46 for 6 yards (54-S.Thompson). Caught near sideline at CAR 46.
5. 2-4-CAR 46(10:22) 33-C.Ivory up the middle to CAR 49 for -3 yards (97-M.Addison, 29-M.Adams).
6. 3-7-CAR 48(9:47) PENALTY on BUF-62-V.Ducasse, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at CAR 48 - No Play.
7. 3-12-BUF 47(9:31) PENALTY on CAR-96-W.Horton, Neutral Zone Infraction, 5 yards, enforced at BUF 47 - No Play.
8. 3-7-CAR 48(9:12) (Shotgun) 2-N.Peterman pass short right to 13-K.Benjamin pushed ob at CAR 34 for 14 yards (26-D.Jackson). Caught along sideline at CAR 34.
9. 1-10-CAR 34(8:39) 2-N.Peterman pass short left to 85-C.Clay to CAR 30 for 4 yards (54-S.Thompson). Caught near sideline at CAR 35.
10. 2-6-CAR 30(8:07) 2-N.Peterman pass deep left to 81-R.Streater for 30 yards, TOUCHDOWN NULLIFIED by Penalty [92-V.Butler]. Caught near sideline, 6 yds. into end zone. Penalty on BUF-81-R.Streater, Offensive Pass Interference, offsetting, enforced at CAR 30 - No Play. Penalty on CAR-92-V.Butler, Roughing the Passer, offsetting.
11. 2-6-CAR 30(8:01) (Shotgun) 2-N.Peterman pass short left to 39-T.Cadet to CAR 28 for 2 yards (58-T.Davis). Screen pass, caught at CAR 36.
12. 3-4-CAR 28(7:23) (Shotgun) 2-N.Peterman pass deep left to 13-K.Benjamin for 28 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Caught near sideline at CAR 10.  (the ball was in the air 18 yards and was dropped in, not zipped)

Series 2:

1. -10-BUF 27(2:09) 2-N.Peterman pass short middle to 33-C.Ivory to CAR 44 for 29 yards (26-D.Jackson). CAR-92-V.Butler was injured during the play. Caught at BUF 30, slanting to right. V.Butler walks off.
2. 1-10-CAR 44(1:32) (Shotgun) 2-N.Peterman pass short right to 45-M.Murphy to CAR 29 for 15 yards (54-S.Thompson, 55-D.Mayo). Screen pass, caught at CAR 49.
3. 1-10-CAR 29(:50) (Shotgun) 45-M.Murphy up the middle to CAR 26 for 3 yards (42-C.Jones).
4. 2-7-CAR 26(:13) (Shotgun) 2-N.Peterman pass short middle intended for 33-C.Ivory INTERCEPTED by 54-S.Thompson at CAR 21. 54-S.Thompson to CAR 27 for 6 yards (84-N.O'Leary). Through receiver's hands before INT.

 

 

So on ten passes, he threw long twice. Of the "short" passes, several were in the air a good amount of time because they were outs. And if I recall correctly, the pass to Benjamin HAD to be dropped in; if it was zipped, it would have been intercepted or knocked down.

Not sure if any QB in the NFL throws long balls 20% of the time, but he completed both of them.

 

3 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

Why not? And if not, who goes? I still think AJM gives them the best chance to win now if they put Josh on the back burner.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PennCh01.htm

 

Nothing spectacular either. But for a back up role, more than good enough.

He was one of the most accurate QBs of his time. He was comeback player of the year, I think twice. He led a nondescript Jets team pretty well; you might want to look at his roster choices. 

If you have Chad Pennington in today's game, you are in the playoffs pretty regularly. Injury prone, for sure. But he'd rip you up. 

[MILFHUNTER#518]

12 minutes ago, wppete said:

There is no way. We are keeping 3 QBs this year.

I think that would be the most prudent choice.

[Lurker]

2 minutes ago, Tyrod's friend said:

So on ten passes, he threw long twice. Of the "short" passes, several were in the air a good amount of time because they were outs. And if I recall correctly, the pass to Benjamin HAD to be dropped in; if it was zipped, it would have been intercepted or knocked down.

Not sure if any QB in the NFL throws long balls 20% of the time, but he completed both of them.

 

 

The question about Nate is arm strength and velocity.   Very few examples of that last night.   The throw to Streeter and the sideline throw to Benjamin are really all I can think of.   And then he has to wind up like Fitzpatrick used to and really try to muscle the ball.    Frankly, that's just not going to get him through many games when the D is game-planning to take away his short options...

[Kelly the Dog]

6 minutes ago, Tyrod's friend said:

So on ten passes, he threw long twice. Of the "short" passes, several were in the air a good amount of time because they were outs. And if I recall correctly, the pass to Benjamin HAD to be dropped in; if it was zipped, it would have been intercepted or knocked down.

Not sure if any QB in the NFL throws long balls 20% of the time, but he completed both of them.

 

He was one of the most accurate QBs of his time. He was comeback player of the year, I think twice. He led a nondescript Jets team pretty well; you might want to look at his roster choices. 

If you have Chad Pennington in today's game, you are in the playoffs pretty regularly. Injury prone, for sure. But he'd rip you up. 

18 yards in the air is not a long pass. Sorry. Regardless of the short v long delineation in that kind of play by play. 

 

And the other one wasnt a play. 

[apuszczalowski]

2 hours ago, Wsam4031 said:

dude had 2 good series cmon> Not being a hater but lets see him play that way for a whole game and then ill think we have some trade bait. If he plays that well for the whole game id like to keep him though

2 good series in a preseason game........

 

Cant blame him for a historically bad 1/2 of a regular season game, but can annoint him a starter after 2 series in game 1 of the preseason.......

This is coming from the same fanbase that thought Trent Edward's was also going to be a great starting QB......

[Lurker]

4 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

18 yards in the air is not a long pass. Sorry. Regardless of the short v long delineation in that kind of play by play. 

 

And the other one wasnt a play. 

 

On his 9 completions, the ball was in the air for an average of less than seven yards.  The rest was RATC.   

 

Very Chad Pennington-like, which makes for a great back up but ugly starter...

[cd1]

Hey, maybe Nate would play better if someone else was calling the plays - wait...

 

Maybe, just maybe, Nate was throwing the ball right where he was TOLD to throw the ball. 

 

You Nate-haters are just insufferable!

[starrymessenger]

20 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

As good as NP looked last night I was still left with a ho-hum feeling. I can only hope Josh becomes a lot more relevant than Chad P. To me he was the definition of average, Career 66% / 102 TDs, 64 INTs/ 200 yds per game. Sound familiar? It should cause we just got rid of a guy just like him but with running ability. I do agree with you that if Nate can evolve into a CP type clone that would be perfect for our back up position but as a starter, no way. Chad was pretty decent but we didn't draft Josh 7th overall to be decent.

 

66% is pretty darn good. Couple hundred a game - meh, sort of Joe Montanaish. He also had his share of 300 yard games. Chad was narrowly beaten out by Peyton as league MVP one year. Twice comeback player of the year. Played a long time in the league. 

If NP can morph into Chad I'll be deliriously happy. Turning a fifth round pick into the equivalent of 18th overall.

Sure if Allen can develop into Elway, he's the starter and with Nate/Chad backing him up the Bills would prolly have the best tandem under centre league wide. 

The rap against Nate is arm strength. I defer to more knowledgeable posters on this but I'm not sure arm strength alone will be the reason he fails to make it in the NFL. Maybe a stupid question but is his arm that much weaker than Drew Brees? Or Joe Montana? For almost all QBs, including the great one, so much depends on scheme and offensive philosophy.

[billsbackto81]

9 minutes ago, Tyrod's friend said:

So on ten passes, he threw long twice. Of the "short" passes, several were in the air a good amount of time because they were outs. And if I recall correctly, the pass to Benjamin HAD to be dropped in; if it was zipped, it would have been intercepted or knocked down.

Not sure if any QB in the NFL throws long balls 20% of the time, but he completed both of them.

 

He was one of the most accurate QBs of his time. He was comeback player of the year, I think twice. He led a nondescript Jets team pretty well; you might want to look at his roster choices. 

If you have Chad Pennington in today's game, you are in the playoffs pretty regularly. Injury prone, for sure. But he'd rip you up. 

Nondescript? You might want to check that 2003 Jets roster. Very good players both O and D. Chad was ok, but he'd be passable in todays league, not rip it up. He doesn't have the arm strength to keep Defenses and DB's honest in what is now a passing league.  He'd need a serious run game to mask that arm.

[Tyrod's friend]

16 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

The question about Nate is arm strength and velocity.   Very few examples of that last night.   The throw to Streeter and the sideline throw to Benjamin are really all I can think of.   And then he has to wind up like Fitzpatrick used to and really try to muscle the ball.    Frankly, that's just not going to get him through many games when the D is game-planning to take away his short options...

Accuracy and release speed is enough - but they have to be plus components. 

I questioned the former in what I saw last year. Yesterday he couldn't have been any more accurate. Even that pass to Ivory was close enough for anyone that hopes to be catching balls in the NFL. 

The flip side of speed is that balls aren't catchable. You saw that last night with Allen, several times; those jokes about broken fingers are real and they cause more turnovers than a weak arm will cause.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

13 hours ago, DC Tom said:

 

I'm pretty sure Cleveland will give up at least a third rounder.  Because...y'know, Cleveland.

Don't be surprised if we also get Drew Carey and Mimi in the deal.

[Lurker]

7 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

Nondescript? You might want to check that 2003 Jets roster. Very good players both O and D. Chad was ok, but he'd be passable in todays league, not rip it up. He doesn't have the arm strength to keep Defenses and DB's honest in what is now a passing league.  He'd need a serious run game to mask that arm.

 

Pennington career stats:

 

Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	Sk	Yds	NY/A	ANY/A	Sk%	4QC	GWD	AV
Career					89	81	44-37-0	1632	2471	66.0	17823	102	4.1	64	2.6	80	7.2	6.9	10.9	200.3	90.1		162	965	6.40	6.08	6.2	7	10	62
8 yrs		NYJ			69	61	32-29-0	1259	1919	65.6	13738	82	4.3	55	2.9	71	7.2	6.7	10.9	199.1	88.9		132	812	6.30	5.90	6.4	6	8	48
3 yrs		MIA			20	20	12-8-0	373	552	67.6	4085	20	3.6	9	1.6	80	7.4	7.4	11.0	204.3	94.5		30	153	6.76	6.75	5.2	1	2	14
2000	24	NYJ		10	1	0		2	5	40.0	67	1	20.0	0	0.0	62	13.4	17.4	33.5	67.0	127.1		1	4	10.50	13.83	16.7			0
2001	25	NYJ		10	2	0		10	20	50.0	92	1	5.0	0	0.0	24	4.6	5.6	9.2	46.0	79.6		1	8	4.00	4.95	4.8			0
2002	26	NYJ	QB	10	15	12	8-4-0	275	399	68.9	3120	22	5.5	6	1.5	47	7.8	8.2	11.3	208.0	104.2		22	135	7.09	7.49	5.2	1	2	12
2003	27	NYJ	QB	10	10	9	4-5-0	189	297	63.6	2139	13	4.4	12	4.0	65	7.2	6.3	11.3	213.9	82.9		25	160	6.15	5.28	7.8	2	2	7
2004	28	NYJ	QB	10	13	13	8-5-0	242	370	65.4	2673	16	4.3	9	2.4	48	7.2	7.0	11.0	205.6	91.0		18	103	6.62	6.40	4.6	2	2	10
2005	29	NYJ	qb	10	3	3	1-2-0	49	83	59.0	530	2	2.4	3	3.6	37	6.4	5.2	10.8	176.7	70.9		9	52	5.20	4.16	9.8			2
2006	30	NYJ	QB	10	16	16	10-6-0	313	485	64.5	3352	17	3.5	16	3.3	71	6.9	6.1	10.7	209.5	82.6	62.3	30	172	6.17	5.44	5.8	1	2	12
2007	31	NYJ	QB	10	9	8	1-7-0	179	260	68.8	1765	10	3.8	9	3.5	57	6.8	6.0	9.9	196.1	86.1	49.1	26	178	5.55	4.83	9.1			5
2008	32	MIA	QB	10	16	16	11-5-0	321	476	67.4	3653	19	4.0	7	1.5	80	7.7	7.8	11.4	228.3	97.4	69.7	24	121	7.06	7.19	4.8	1	2	13
2009	33	MIA	qb	10	3	3	0-3-0	51	74	68.9	413	1	1.4	2	2.7	21	5.6	4.6	8.1	137.7	76.0	48.2	6	32	4.76	3.89	7.5			1
2010	34	MIA	qb	10	1	1	1-0-0	1	2	50.0	19	0	0.0	0	0.0	19	9.5	9.5	19.0	19.0	83.3	95.4	0	0	9.50	9.50	0.0			0

Edited August 10, 2018 by Lurker

[Buffaloflash]

10 hours ago, Boludo said:

Team hasn't had good QB in 20 years, and people are talking about trying to trade away a young QB that is showing a bit of possible potential.

 

Classic Bills fans.

Hahaha,I know,Can you believe them?

44 minutes ago, wppete said:

There is no way. We are keeping 3 QBs this year.

We Should!

[Tyrod's friend]

8 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

Nondescript? You might want to check that 2003 Jets roster. Very good players both O and D. Chad was ok, but he'd be passable in todays league, not rip it up. He doesn't have the arm strength to keep Defenses and DB's honest in what is now a passing league.  He'd need a serious run game to mask that arm.

Lamar Jackson

DeShaun Watson
Tyrod Taylor .. all spinned at or less than Peterman at the Combine.
 

There are stacks of QBs throwing within 2 MPH of Peterman. And that assumes that Peterman didn't - as is widely suggested - improve his speed this past offseason. I think Drew Brees gets by pretty good with a not so impressive arm. When Brady came into the league, he was widely thought of as having not the best arm in football.

Arm strength is BS. You cannot game plan for release or for accuracy or mental makeup.

And outside of 2003, Pennington had a pretty poor group of teammates, but he won plenty of games. He'd win as many today. I think you are way, way undervaluing the guy - I saw a lot of his games, being a Long Island guy. He was the reason his teams won games.

[Bills757]

Trade bait?!  Haha.  I'm not sure how many teams in the NFL are clamoring to trade for a QB with one start and a TD to INT ratio of .4.  If we somehow find a GM that stupid, let me know.....I have some swamp land for sale at a great price.  OP has to be trolling...haha.