Kirby Jackson Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 I am good with it because I think that pass rusher is likely in the 1st round next year. That class is great but it isn’t likely that they end up as good as Mack. He could turn the Bills defense from good to great. They will still have lots of resources (8 picks and cap space) to address the offense. They will need to fix the OL and find pass catchers. They can do that with the remaining assets.
whatdrought Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: I looked around the inter webs last night. It doesn’t appear that there are any worth getting excited about. 5th round Pick for Zach Martin and Travis Fredrick? I mean, Dallas doesn't need them with the amazing Dak and Zeke....
dollars 2 donuts Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 I honestly thought when we traded up in 2014 it was to get Mack. I honestly did. This would all be so unnecessary. Lesson also learned: potentially stud WRs do not raise mediocre QBs, the way stud QBs raise mediocre WRs. ...learned too late.
Thurman#1 Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 13 hours ago, matter2003 said: Would you be OK with the Bills trading a first round pick and then signing him to a big extension considering our pick will be top 10 next year most likely? Sure. But Oakland's not letting him go for a first. That just isn't happening.
The Red King Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 For all the strengths our D has, pass rush is not one of them. It's not just about Mack, but the synergy with the rest of the D. Last season we had an opportunistic secondary who were ball-hawks, resulting in a ton of early-season turnovers. Now imagine how those hawks would feast if opposing QBs were under heavy pressure forced into throws. And lets not forget about Brady. For all his skill and talent, Brady rattles when defenses get to him. When it goes wrong, it goes horribly wrong. The Giants beat him with pressure, Denver beat him with pressure. Atlanta managed to rattle him in the first half of that Super Bowl, but the halftime show was long enough for him to settle. We put our new Godzilla LB on Gronk and actually put pressure on Brady...that can turn the tide. It's not just what direct effect Mack would have...it's also the effect a pass rush would add to the rest of our D. I know it's unlikely to happen, but man I want this. 1
Roundybout Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 17 minutes ago, whatdrought said: 5th round Pick for Zach Martin and Travis Fredrick? I mean, Dallas doesn't need them with the amazing Dak and Zeke.... How is Dak doing anywa- OH MY GOD 2
ColoradoBills Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 We all know the Mack thing is a longshot but........................... Mack Edmunds White Hyde...................is one great looking defensive core. 1
freddyjj Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 (edited) 14 hours ago, matter2003 said: Would you be OK with the Bills trading a first round pick and then signing him to a big extension considering our pick will be top 10 next year most likely? I voted yes as we have an over 30 blindside rusher in Hughes and 2 question marks in Murphy (injury history) and Shaq (Injury and slow get off) at other DE spot. Back in 2014 draft I was convinced our trading up to #4 spot was to get mack, not Watkins. My disappointment was only exceeded by 2012 draft when we traded up in Rd 3 to grab TJ Graham when I was sure it was for Russel Wilson. We can address the 2014 wrong by getting Mack back now. Would definitely help our league worst sack totals on defense. Edited August 8, 2018 by freddyjj
whatdrought Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 14 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: How is Dak doing anywa- OH MY GOD I love that this is on an Eagles site.... Talk about kicking a man when he's down.
CSBill Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 12 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said: I am in two minds. From a GM point of view, there does not appear to be value in the trade - the only way to exploit NFL Cap structure and have a good team is to mix veterans with cheap picks. Clearly Mack is looking for a market value extension. If we are going to pay him market value, why part with a first rounder as well? The exceptions to the above are - a. The player is transcendental (like say, a LeBron) and any contract's market value will be less than what he is worth b. We are that one player away from seriously contending Much against my heart, I am going to discount b. above since I still do not know how good our QB is going to be. But Mack is special!! Transcendental? I do not know. Given that for cap reasons, any trade for Mack will have to involve Jerry Hughes, I think Hughes + 2nd rounder + 50 million extension is probably a fair trade. I doubt any team other than the Eagles or Patriots will be willing to give up a first rounder (they will pick late 20s anyway) - although Jacksonville, GB or SFO might think they are that one special player away. Glad NO traded their first to get Davenport - otherwise they would have been the favorite to land Mack. Do you mean: tran·scen·den·tal /ˌtranˌsenˈden(t)l/ adjective 1. relating to a spiritual or nonphysical realm: Or tran·scends /tran(t)ˈsend/ verb 1. be or go beyond the range or limits of (something abstract, typically a conceptual field or division): 1
dwight in philly Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 14 hours ago, matter2003 said: Would you be OK with the Bills trading a first round pick and then signing him to a big extension considering our pick will be top 10 next year most likely? Yes
BADOLBILZ Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 2 hours ago, folz said: You can get burgers rather than dogs and there is no mayonnaise, except on the mac salad, but you can get home fries and French fries (rather than mac or potato salad). And it helps if you're a bit drunk and its after midnight. When they started using frozen home fries the plate lost it's edge. Every greek diner in rochester used to have fresh home fries and that was the foundation. It had been the only fresh tasting thing on the plate. You can freeze and thaw anything else on that plate and barely tell the difference but those tiny diced frozen homies are awful.....most frozen dinner spuds are......so they went from being the best thing on the plate to the worst.
jimmy10 Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 12 minutes ago, whatdrought said: I love that this is on an Eagles site.... Talk about kicking a man when he's down. Kicking people when they're down is an Olympic-level sport in Philadelphia.
BringBackOrton Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 I’m convinced these topics are made by Russian bots. Since when are Bills top 10 picks so valuable?
teef Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 47 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: I honestly thought when we traded up in 2014 it was to get Mack. I honestly did. This would all be so unnecessary. Lesson also learned: potentially stud WRs do not raise mediocre QBs, the way stud QBs raise mediocre WRs. ...learned too late. at the time it was what i thought too. it seemed like the most logical move at the time. 1
Alphadawg7 Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 Ive stated this is a pipe dream and I just have a hard time believing the Raiders would trade him...and even if they did, I have a hard time believing he can be had for a price that Beane would be wiling to pay. HOWEVER: More and more reports are coming out to suggest that Mack may really be explorable in a trade, so looks like there is a little smoke coming out of this where its more possible than I believed initially. Personally, outside Carr I would make Mack the 2nd most important player to keep, meaning I would trade anyone else on the roster I had to in order to afford Mack as no one else is even close to as good as him on that roster on either side of the ball. BUT, if we can get him for a first then I am 100% on board doing it and giving him a big contract. Personally, I still think the Raiders will want more, and in another thread someone posted an insane price to pay to get him which I would NOT be on board with. If we can get him for a first, or a first a player like Shaq or Washington (or even both), then I am all in. But I am not open to what some have said which has included 2 to 3 first round picks, or 2 firsts and a 2nd, or a first and a couple 2nds, etc. I feel very good about the state of our defense right now, and I am sure the staff does too. We have the best secondary in the NFL IMO, and definitely they are top 3. I love Edmunds and Harrison as young players in our front 7 and they are wowing people so far. Our DL is solid with Kyle and Star, and if Harrison is as good as he seems he could be, this DL is pretty darn good then. I like Murphy and Hughes on the edge too, although Murphy needs to stay healthy. In other words...I dont feel desperate on D where we need to gut draft picks to get a guy like Mack. Our offense is in WAY worse shape IMO. So I dont want to trade the farm on draft picks to add even an Elite player on D and then not have the assets to help give Allen the tools to succeed. We need to address OL for sure in the draft, need receiving playmakers at WR, and will need a RB replacement and likely a TE replacement soon too. Outside of QB, there isn't a position on the offense we should overlook in the draft next 2 years. 1
mannc Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 44 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Sure. But Oakland's not letting him go for a first. That just isn't happening. Well, they certainly won’t get more than that, so maybe they’ll just re-sign him.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 11 minutes ago, teef said: at the time it was what i thought too. it seemed like the most logical move at the time. Me three. When they grabbed Watkins instead I was all WHAAAAAT? Confession time: while publically and consciously, I do not yet trust this regime, I have a very different attitude during the draft. I'm not yet screaming WHAAAAAAT? at the monitor all the time, even when Rosen was on the board and we chose Allen. So subconsciously, I may trust them more than I believe I do, or at least am giving them the benefit of the doubt.
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, mannc said: Well, they certainly won’t get more than that, so maybe they’ll just re-sign him. He is arguably the best defensive player in the game with a few years of his prime left. The only reason he wouldn't get more than that is if Mark Davis and John Gruden are stupid enough not to ask for more, which they might be.
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