Big Turk Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 8 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Nice trolling. Why would we be top 10 next year? Because most likely we will be a 5 or 6 win team and that is usually top 10. 1
Clyde Smith Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 20 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Our defense is going to be very without Mack. I actually think we might be one of the top 3 defenses in all of football this year. Even with that, I feel we are going to have a real hard time. We don’t have anywhere near enough fire power on offense and we probably won’t be able to score points. If the Bills are willing to give up a first, can it please be for a WR that can help us score points? We are going to stop people already. Mack is an excellent player but we don’t need him. We need players that can help the offense. We are a good Quarterback away from being a top 15 scoring offense. Adding Mack, especially with how our cap is set up next year is a no-brainer. I'm sure Beane can finesse his way into getting Mack on this team, i'm a billiever. 2
Augie Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 Next year is supposed to be amazing on the DLine. That could either open our options there, or make this deal a little cheaper. Obviously, with a young guy you trade dollars for risk. Mack is a pretty sure thing. Saving $10+ mil/year for a calculated risk is a reasonable option. My way of saying.....I have no freaking idea! It all depends... That’s why we pay them the big bucks! (Then complain about every little thing that goes south.) 1
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IgotBILLStopay Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 I am in two minds. From a GM point of view, there does not appear to be value in the trade - the only way to exploit NFL Cap structure and have a good team is to mix veterans with cheap picks. Clearly Mack is looking for a market value extension. If we are going to pay him market value, why part with a first rounder as well? The exceptions to the above are - a. The player is transcendental (like say, a LeBron) and any contract's market value will be less than what he is worth b. We are that one player away from seriously contending Much against my heart, I am going to discount b. above since I still do not know how good our QB is going to be. But Mack is special!! Transcendental? I do not know. Given that for cap reasons, any trade for Mack will have to involve Jerry Hughes, I think Hughes + 2nd rounder + 50 million extension is probably a fair trade. I doubt any team other than the Eagles or Patriots will be willing to give up a first rounder (they will pick late 20s anyway) - although Jacksonville, GB or SFO might think they are that one special player away. Glad NO traded their first to get Davenport - otherwise they would have been the favorite to land Mack. 2
TheFunPolice Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 Davis might want to avoid the embarrassment of him not being able to afford paying the $$ needed for Mack 1
xxxxxxxx Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 (edited) No. You don't trade a 1 pick which could be in the top 10 for a player that has limited control left on his contract who plays a position which isn't hard to fill with a second round draft pick. Wait for him to hit FA at least. Overpaying for defense kept this team out of the playoffs for decades. And that pick will be needed elsewhere. We have our impact lb already, and Hughes is our pass rusher. 34 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Because most likely we will be a 5 or 6 win team and that is usually top 10. A.J or Nate + no Oline + no depth + aging RB= 5 to 6 wins. We cant afford home town luxuries. He's a great player, but the kind of player that you draft and build a scheme around. Edited August 8, 2018 by MURPHD6 1
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 8, 2018 Author Posted August 8, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Davis might want to avoid the embarrassment of him not being able to afford paying the $$ needed for Mack IMO, he most certainly doesn’t want to pay what Mack will be paid to extend him. He also is not going to want to pay Mack franchise tag $ for a DE after this season. We may have a motivated seller here. Edited August 8, 2018 by Johnny Hammersticks
BillsFan130 Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 No. Bills have the potential to have a top 10 pick in next years draft. As good as Mack is, there is no way I would want them to risk that 1
PIZ Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 8 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Who's hungry? Are those as good as they look?
Augie Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 42 minutes ago, George C said: I personally would not give up multiple low draft choices for Mack. I'm not sure I'd even give up a single 1st for him. I'd rather take my chances and build with young talent from the draft. I respect your point, but mack turned 27 a few months ago. He’s in his prime. Rather than young, maybe “cheap” is more appropriate. I can respect that in a year deep in DLine. GREAT also appeals to me, so I guess it depends upon the cost. A 7th in 2022 works for me. ?. I’m glad we pay people to do this better than I could. 3 minutes ago, PIZ said: Are those as good as they look? The plastic forks look totally inadequate. Maybe a small garden shovel?
26CornerBlitz Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, PIZ said: Are those as good as they look? Of course. It's a conglomeration of classic American comfort food. Eat up!
Augie Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Of course. It's a conglomeration of classic American comfort food. Eat up! Do they have refills on the four pats of butter and the rolls on the side? I’d hate to leave hungry! 1
26CornerBlitz Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 Just now, Augie said: Do they have refills on the four pats of butter and the rolls on the side? I’d hate to leave hungry! Four is enough for you?
Augie Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 Hard to believe those plastic forks don’t just snap! 1
IgotBILLStopay Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, MarkAF43 said: How did this become all about Mack though? Did I miss that part? Mack is the most likely since: a. The posters conservative track record indicates this will be for a blue chip guy. He is not likely to say Beane is not done for a Coleman type trade (note: I love the Coleman trade - but he is not a blue chipper yet) b. The timing that something is going to happen in the next few days is the big giveaway - There are two elements that are needed for a Mack trade - 1. agreeing to terms with the raiders and 2. agreeing to extension terms with Mack. I suspect that 1. is done and 2. is ongoing. Without both of these two elements, why would there be advance notice of something big in a few days? If it is a straightforward trade without any extensions, it would have been announced already. That said, Aaron Donald will meet these criteria as well - so there is something to what you say. Edited August 8, 2018 by IgotBILLStopay 3
Augie Posted August 8, 2018 Posted August 8, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Four is enough for you? Four is just a start! I need to grease down the other 6 pounds of food on that plate. . Edited August 8, 2018 by Augie
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