Bills trade with Browns for Corey Coleman

[dollars 2 donuts]

1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

The Bills did take on his contract $'s which are guaranteed.

That being said it still is a good move by Beane.

 

Colorado if we end up cutting him before the season (unlikely) we get to rest our hat on further cementing our legacy as the Kings of Dead Cap Money!

 

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Edited August 6, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts

[DefenseWins]

I see he has a nickname of Rock Hands Coleman... This does not bode well for the young man...

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, MikeSpeed said:

Since we will be coming off our super bowl win  in 2020, the 7th round pick will be Mr. irrelevant.

These days that pick is a compensatory.

[Domdab99]

I hope Cleveland got a few boxes of footballs along with the 7th rounder, or else this was a fleecing.

[Dablitzkrieg]

1 minute ago, Domdab99 said:

I hope Cleveland got a few boxes of footballs along with the 7th rounder, or else this was a fleecing.

Ham sammich

[John from Riverside]

28 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

my bad

Its hard to do with so many clowns on the board right now...Wayne is one of the good guys....:)

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[4_kidd_4]

Thought this was gonna be about Walt Coleman stealing games.

[B Fan in LA]

6 hours ago, HappyDays said:

I'm more meh on the trade than others are but I can't complain for a 7th in 2020. Browns fans on Twitter mostly hate the trade and think he was putting together a good training camp this year. The big question with Coleman is can he stay healthy?

 

Exactly...........we're picking up a WR who broke his hand TWICE in 2 years....................

What does he use to catch the ball ???

 

Is there a HOF WR who had his hand broken TWICE in his entire career ??

This is like getting a great deal on a used car, and wondering why the price is so low................

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

Hopefully Terry Robiskie can bring out the best in Coleman.

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Unless this is sarcasm,  it's a laughably horrendous assessment. 

It's just an observation.   

 

I looked at the data a little more carefully.   The two (Sammy in Buffalo and Corey in Cleveland) were targeted about the same.   Corey a little less, but about the same.  

 

But Corey caught the ball a lot less often than Sammy.   Sammy caught it 55% of his targets, Corey only 43%.  That's a big difference.   That difference accounts for the differences between them in yards per catch, yards per game, etc.   

 

So the question is why did Corey catch the ball so much less than Sammy?   One explanation would be Corey's hands, which apparently are suspect.   Another explanation would be the quarterbacks.   In 2016, Corey had McCown, RGII and Cody Kessler throwing to him; in 2017 it was DsShone Kizer.  Sammy had EJ and Orton for one season, and Taylor for two.  So it's quite possible that Corey's lower completion percentage was related to the QB play he was getting.  Taylor, at least, was much better than the quarterbacks Coleman had.

 

So, based on the stats, it's hard to say that Watkins contributed more to the Bills than Coleman contributed to the Browns.

 

Sammy is one of the most talented receivers around, but he's never made anything of it.  

 

If I have to have an underperforming wideout, I'd rather have one that cost me a seventh round pick instead of one that cost me two firsts.    

[1st&ten]

Well, they're taking a chance on him. If he doesn't buy in & becomes a problem, they'll cut him.

[blacklabel]

Unbelievable some of the criticism on this trade. It's a 7th round pick for a former 1st round guy who, yeah, may have some issues (not anything that he can't be coached on) and some injuries but compared to most players found in any 7th round in any year, this is a great deal for the Bills. Especially if they see him in a specific WR role. Obviously they wanted to add speed so if the kid has trouble with a full route tree, well, use him in certain packages with certain routes while bringing him along slowly to make him a more well-rounded receiver. The tweet by Daniel Jeremiah is spot on. Some players take a little longer than others to acclimate themselves to the NFL level. Jeremiah named Agholor from Philly as a prime example. First two seasons, Philly fans were screaming for this guy to be cut. Last season he went off and showed his full potential. And that's what Beane is banking on right here, can Coleman reach his potential? If he can, then it's a great trade for the Bills. If he can't, then it's a lost 7th round pick, not a big deal. Solid trade.

[26CornerBlitz]

28 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

It's just an observation.   

 

I looked at the data a little more carefully.   The two (Sammy in Buffalo and Corey in Cleveland) were targeted about the same.   Corey a little less, but about the same.  

 

But Corey caught the ball a lot less often than Sammy.   Sammy caught it 55% of his targets, Corey only 43%.  That's a big difference.   That difference accounts for the differences between them in yards per catch, yards per game, etc.   

 

So the question is why did Corey catch the ball so much less than Sammy?   One explanation would be Corey's hands, which apparently are suspect.   Another explanation would be the quarterbacks.   In 2016, Corey had McCown, RGII and Cody Kessler throwing to him; in 2017 it was DsShone Kizer.  Sammy had EJ and Orton for one season, and Taylor for two.  So it's quite possible that Corey's lower completion percentage was related to the QB play he was getting.  Taylor, at least, was much better than the quarterbacks Coleman had.

 

So, based on the stats, it's hard to say that Watkins contributed more to the Bills than Coleman contributed to the Browns.

 

Sammy is one of the most talented receivers around, but he's never made anything of it.  

 

If I have to have an underperforming wideout, I'd rather have one that cost me a seventh round pick instead of one that cost me two firsts.    

 

Your explanation and statistical analysis of the two simply do not add up and it's not hard to say that at all:

 

Watkins' 1st two season with Buffalo  - 125 catches (224 targets) for 2000+ yards with 15 TDs in 29 games

 

 

Coleman's two seasons with Cleveland  - 56 catches (131 targets) for 718 yards with 5 TDs in 19 games

 

 

Edited August 6, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[Fadingpain]

Coleman has great speed and a really quick burst off the line.

 

If anyone is going to be on the receiving end of the odd Josh Allen bomb that utilizes Allen's arm strength, it's probably going to be Coleman.  If he can stay on the field.

 

 

[Fadingpain]

He comes from a Dallas shithole environment and his father is in jail for cocaine trafficking.

 

I would imagine this kid as "at risk" for getting in trouble at all times.

 

Hopefully he stays out of it.

 

 

[Malazan]

I guess Foreigner needed to feel special today and have his own coleman thread. 

[Foxx]

4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Your explanation and statistical analysis of the two simply do not add up and it's not hard to say that at all: ...

 

 

flawed logic and an unerring need to be right all the time fuels the desire.

[gatorbait]

The Patriots always sign players with issues. Either they buy in and change their ways, or they get sent packing. 

[Domdab99]

In other news, Sammy Watkins injured his hip and has left Rams' Chief's practice

Edited August 6, 2018 by Domdab99