Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 Is 3rd degree assault enough of a charge? The 8 year old fell 30 feet and broke his femur, an injury that can easily be fatal. Could have broken his head or neck and be dead. Discuss https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/teen-allegedly-threw-boy-8-205234493.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 “Questioned at the scene by police, Adams, who was in the park accompanied by a female professional personal care attendant, exhibited “some developmental disabilities,” Apple Valley Police Capt. Nick Francis tells PEOPLE.” He had a “handler” there. If I were the parent of the 8 year old I’d be suing the **** out of what ever agency or school district that “personal care attendant” was working for. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 39 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Is 3rd degree assault enough of a charge? The 8 year old fell 30 feet and broke his femur, an injury that can easily be fatal. Could have broken his head or neck and be dead. Discuss https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/teen-allegedly-threw-boy-8-205234493.html Linky needs fixy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keukasmallies Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 Not sure about the propriety of the level of the charge, but some charge should be levied to assure that the young man gets treatment/custodial confinement/etc. appropriate to the crime. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, Keukasmallies said: Not sure about the propriety of the level of the charge, but some charge should be levied to assure that the young man gets treatment/custodial confinement/etc. appropriate to the crime. The kid is 18. Hopefully the sentence for this crime includes a stay at a lock-down mental health facility (e.g., state psychiatric facility). Clearly, this kid is capable of killing someone on a whim, and should be further evaluated and treated accordingly. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 What a horrible situation. Sounds like the 18 year old should never have been in that situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: What a horrible situation. Sounds like the 18 year old should never have been in that situation. In my school district we have special programs for kiddos who are so emotionally/behaviorally challenged that they are simply unable to be educated with their peers. Essentially they are housed in separate buildings, have minimal academic expectations, and have regular access to therapeutic resources. These are the kids that present a constant risk of physical harm to self/others. Many of these kids, due to the nature of their disabilities, attend school over the summer months. Almost every day they take the kids out in the community to local parks and sometimes down to places like the Great Escape. Two summers ago, we had an incident where one of those kids (who I worked with and recommended a residential placement, but the state denied funding) attacked a young child with a kayak paddle (and beat him pretty soundly) before staff members were able to restrain him. Not sure if this was what happened here, but it certainly seems like it. Edited August 5, 2018 by Johnny Hammersticks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 28 minutes ago, Keukasmallies said: Not sure about the propriety of the level of the charge, but some charge should be levied to assure that the young man gets treatment/custodial confinement/etc. appropriate to the crime. Too expensive. Nah... Just release him, he's 18, into the City so he can push somebody onto the path of a speeding commuter train. I am being sarcastic. 6 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: In my school district we have special programs for kiddos who are so emotionally/behaviorally challenged. Essentially they are housed in separate buildings, have minimal academic expectations, and have regular access to therapeutic resources. These are the kids that present a constant risk of physical harm to self/others. Many of these kids, due to the nature of their disabilities, attend school over the summer months. Almost every day they take the kids out in the community to local parks and sometimes down to places like the Great Escape. Two summers ago, we had an incident where one of those kids (who I worked with and recommended a residential placement, but the state denied funding) attacked a young child with a kayak paddle (and beat him pretty soundly) before staff members were able to restrain him. Not sure if this was what happened here, but it certainly seems like it. So it's kinda like One flew over the Cookoo's Nest, field trips, excursions... But the 2018 version... All done appropriately not like in 1962. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 30 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: What a horrible situation. Sounds like the 18 year old should never have been in that situation. Not alone at least 22 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: In my school district we have special programs for kiddos who are so emotionally/behaviorally challenged that they are simply unable to be educated with their peers. Essentially they are housed in separate buildings, have minimal academic expectations, and have regular access to therapeutic resources. These are the kids that present a constant risk of physical harm to self/others. Many of these kids, due to the nature of their disabilities, attend school over the summer months. Almost every day they take the kids out in the community to local parks and sometimes down to places like the Great Escape. Two summers ago, we had an incident where one of those kids (who I worked with and recommended a residential placement, but the state denied funding) attacked a young child with a kayak paddle (and beat him pretty soundly) before staff members were able to restrain him. Not sure if this was what happened here, but it certainly seems like it. An employer find out a daughter in one of these programs. Actually, it was a granddaughter we spoke several times at length about the situation and I understand that they do this in order to accustomed these special Needs characters to function in society and not have the reactions like this poor child Man-Thing did Everybody snaps, and let's hope for everybody that everybody can recover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: Not alone at least The article states that he was accompanied by a female “personal care attendant.” Clearly, they were well aware that this kid is crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: The article states that he was accompanied by a female “personal care attendant.” Clearly, they were well aware that this kid is crazy. He did not belong on that slide alone, those things are stressful as hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: Not alone at least An employer find out a daughter in one of these programs. Actually, it was a granddaughter we spoke several times at length about the situation and I understand that they do this in order to accustomed these special Needs characters to function in society and not have the reactions like this poor child Man-Thing did Everybody snaps, and let's hope for everybody that everybody can recover Indeed. And I will add that these kids aren’t flippantly placed in these self-contained programs. Due to lack of funding/resources there are limited spots, and thus, it is actually really challenging to get deserving kids in. Again, the criteria in my district is that the student needs to present a constant safety risk to self/others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Indeed. And I will add that these kids aren’t flippantly placed in these self-contained programs. Due to lack of funding/resources there are limited spots, and thus, it is actually really challenging to get deserving kids in. Again, the criteria in my district is that the student needs to present a constant safety risk to self/others. The saddest part is, I know that often times they do not escalate things to proper disciplinary actions in order to keep the district looking better than what it is. there have been assaults, including sexual assaults by the special needs students that go unreported to the higher authorities trying to keep it in house. about every county has their own situations which are similar to what happened in Broward County, and it's amazing to find out the public reaction. I think anybody in a school system or an environment with it is unsurprised that the student had sought help and received none prior to his Rampage. I imagine that same crowd is also not surprised at the authorities and powers-that-be were so quick to jump and blame others for their own faults Our school systems are pretty effed up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: The saddest part is, I know that often times they do not escalate things to proper disciplinary actions in order to keep the district looking better than what it is. there have been assaults, including sexual assaults by the special needs students that go unreported to the higher authorities trying to keep it in house. about every county has their own situations which are similar to what happened in Broward County, and it's amazing to find out the public reaction. I think anybody in a school system or an environment with it is unsurprised that the student had sought help and received none prior to his Rampage. I imagine that same crowd is also not surprised at the authorities and powers-that-be were so quick to jump and blame others for their own faults Our school systems are pretty effed up I don't believe the fault here lies with "our school systems." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: The saddest part is, I know that often times they do not escalate things to proper disciplinary actions in order to keep the district looking better than what it is. there have been assaults, including sexual assaults by the special needs students that go unreported to the higher authorities trying to keep it in house. about every county has their own situations which are similar to what happened in Broward County, and it's amazing to find out the public reaction. I think anybody in a school system or an environment with it is unsurprised that the student had sought help and received none prior to his Rampage. I imagine that same crowd is also not surprised at the authorities and powers-that-be were so quick to jump and blame others for their own faults Our school systems are pretty effed up Absolutely! I got stabbed by a 4th grade student why working in Charlotte-Mech. I was “advised” to not make a stink and not press charges, yet was encouraged by my supervisor to transport the kid and his mother to the psychiatric hospital for evaluation because his father could not bring him. Dad was “packing the car for a fishing trip,” and couldn’t be bothered. I was young and stupid back then. Would have handled the situation much differently today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Absolutely! I got stabbed by a 4th grade student why working in Charlotte-Mech. I was “advised” to not make a stink and not press charges, yet was encouraged by my supervisor to transport the kid and his mother to the psychiatric hospital for evaluation because his father could not bring him. Dad was “packing the car for a fishing trip,” and couldn’t be bothered. I was young and stupid back then. Would have handled the situation much differently today. Wow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous Guy Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 59 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: In my school district we have special programs for kiddos who are so emotionally/behaviorally challenged that they are simply unable to be educated with their peers. Essentially they are housed in separate buildings, have minimal academic expectations, and have regular access to therapeutic resources. These are the kids that present a constant risk of physical harm to self/others. Many of these kids, due to the nature of their disabilities, attend school over the summer months. Almost every day they take the kids out in the community to local parks and sometimes down to places like the Great Escape. Two summers ago, we had an incident where one of those kids (who I worked with and recommended a residential placement, but the state denied funding) attacked a young child with a kayak paddle (and beat him pretty soundly) before staff members were able to restrain him. Not sure if this was what happened here, but it certainly seems like it. Looks like the Parkland shooter was special needs and was denied... "But Mr. Cruz was legally an adult, and he wanted to graduate from Stoneman Douglas, according to a new report released late Friday by the Broward County Public Schools. A Cross Creek staffer gave him three options: transfer to the school, sue the school district, or stay at Stoneman Douglas — without any of the special-needs assistance he had relied on since he’d been found to be developmentally delayed at age 3. The options, the school district’s new report found, were insufficient: Mr. Cruz by law and district policy should have been able to remain at Stoneman Douglas with special-needs protections. He didn’t know that but chose to stay anyway, no longer receiving any help or accommodations. It was Nov. 3, 2016." Parkland Shooting Suspect Lost Special-Needs Help at School When He Needed It Most Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: I don't believe the fault here lies with "our school systems." I fully agree. It's a double edged sword we have wielded for decades. The idea, of recent, that it takes a community to raise a child is a farce because our communities cannot do that. We have parents that are unwilling, unable, disinterested, etc in raising their children and expect the school and community to do it and then bicker when the system does just that with their hellion. And we have parents that raise their children correctly, provide good dual parent households, instill morals and responsibilities then accept that must send their children to be diluted down with things like common core and tolerances for less than honest. Until we get more charter schools, home schools, or break up the mafia of current school systems and the powers that be we will continue to deal with this type of thing. There is no good reason why, though this is just one case, Broward did not provide help to the student asking. Nor is it acceptable that they had the facts that crime was rampant in their districts but students were not being held responsible. The system is part of the problem when the parents aren't being part of the solution. 6 minutes ago, Nervous Guy said: Looks like the Parkland shooter was special needs and was denied... "But Mr. Cruz was legally an adult, and he wanted to graduate from Stoneman Douglas, according to a new report released late Friday by the Broward County Public Schools. A Cross Creek staffer gave him three options: transfer to the school, sue the school district, or stay at Stoneman Douglas — without any of the special-needs assistance he had relied on since he’d been found to be developmentally delayed at age 3. The options, the school district’s new report found, were insufficient: Mr. Cruz by law and district policy should have been able to remain at Stoneman Douglas with special-needs protections. He didn’t know that but chose to stay anyway, no longer receiving any help or accommodations. It was Nov. 3, 2016." Parkland Shooting Suspect Lost Special-Needs Help at School When He Needed It Most Big trouble that this: https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/11/05/243250817/fla-school-district-trying-to-curb-school-to-prison-pipeline Becomes this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/26/broward-county-likely-inspiration-for-obama-school-discipline-policy-to-report-fewer-arrests-suspensions/amp/(I will not apologise for the source. No MSM will cover it) Broward county deserves to burn for this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Indeed. And I will add that these kids aren’t flippantly placed in these self-contained programs. Due to lack of funding/resources there are limited spots, and thus, it is actually really challenging to get deserving kids in. Again, the criteria in my district is that the student needs to present a constant safety risk to self/others. I guess what we also do not know from the story is whether there were additional circumstances like teasing or taunting involved. I guess the bottom line is that they must not have thought the 18 year old presented a risk to anyone under those circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: The kid is 18. Hopefully the sentence for this crime includes a stay at a lock-down mental health facility (e.g., state psychiatric facility). Clearly, this kid is capable of killing someone on a whim, and should be further evaluated and treated accordingly. Or just take him behind the barn and give him the Ol' Yeller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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