Better Call Saul: Season 4

[shrader]

I like how every so often he's looking off to the side like he's reading from a cue card.  I really hope that's intentional because it's a nice little detail to throw in there.

[Fadingpain]

That Madrigal security training piece is fantastic! 

 

Thanks, Poojer, for posting.

 

[Fadingpain]

Who saw the 4th episode?

 

Positively epic scene with Leonel and Marco Salamanca transforming into a 2 man army!  LOL.  

 

It was almost over the top but this is the cousins we are talking about.  I love how Nacho tells them they will need lots of backup and support, so they'll have to come back with many more men.

 

They just look at each other, no words, and go in.  

Edited August 28, 2018 by Fadingpain

[Buftex]

On 8/21/2018 at 12:28 PM, row_33 said:

 

 

 

it's hard to square Jimmy's indifference though.... he went out of his way to crush Chuck, i guess he is indifferent now that Chuck is gone?

 

I don't buy her character or acting, it's hard to present a woman in TV or movies that is believable.  She is better than Walt's wife in BB though.

 

 

They are both great..Ana Gunn was stellar...

[row_33]

It’s science fiction with the Salamanca’s, taking them into silly powers, and people with  Wile E Coyote ability to overcome near fatal injury and keep going, I remember many complained about this happening during BB, but hey it is what it is, a TV show.

 

Kim has lost it, she had a good file to return to and is over it already. I see this at work with cases, I have fought it off myself a few times over the years, many have not returned and have found something else to pursue in life.

 

 

 

 

 

[The Poojer]

Only problem I had with last night's episode was how Jimmy was left to open and run the store completely on his own on his very first morning of employment.  Loved seeing the crack in Mike's tough emotional exterior when he was fighting back crying during his daughter in law talking about his son. Those cousins are totally bad ass and I loved the ever so slight nod of appreciation one of them gave nacho after the compound raid

[boyst]

Last night's episode wasn't all that important other than Kim.

 

The Battle just seemed a bone to throw to the crowd and took too long to make the point that they're badass.

 

The whole issue with Mike we already knew he was soft hearted about his son. The whole confrontation with the guy at group and the episode in the warehouse was nothing anyone hadn't seen. It was an essentially useless episode.

[LeGOATski]

3 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

Last night's episode wasn't all that important other than Kim.

 

The Battle just seemed a bone to throw to the crowd and took too long to make the point that they're badass.

 

The whole issue with Mike we already knew he was soft hearted about his son. The whole confrontation with the guy at group and the episode in the warehouse was nothing anyone hadn't seen. It was an essentially useless episode.

I think Mike's interaction with Gus Fring was his most important scene in the episode.

 

He throws **** back in Gus's face. 

 

Also technically not something we haven't seen before, but continues to show the clash between those two worlds: the drug lord vs the small time rogue with nothing to lose.

 

That's the one type of character Gus can't control, he always underestimates, and will ultimate cause his demise.

[row_33]

52 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

I think Mike's interaction with Gus Fring was his most important scene in the episode.

 

He throws **** back in Gus's face. 

 

Also technically not something we haven't seen before, but continues to show the clash between those two worlds: the drug lord vs the small time rogue with nothing to lose.

 

That's the one type of character Gus can't control, he always underestimates, and will ultimate cause his demise.

 

Authority figures welcome discussion that is respectful, they like it slightly witty as well.

 

Mike is surrounded and has no choice but to see what is up and go with it.

 

desolation roared in each of the characters last night 

[Fadingpain]

10 hours ago, row_33 said:

It’s science fiction with the Salamanca’s, taking them into silly powers, and people with  Wile E Coyote ability to overcome near fatal injury and keep going, I remember many complained about this happening during BB, but hey it is what it is, a TV show.

 

Kim has lost it, she had a good file to return to and is over it already. I see this at work with cases, I have fought it off myself a few times over the years, many have not returned and have found something else to pursue in life.

 

 

 

 

 

I don't think Kim has lost it, per se.  I think she realizes in her soul that she does not want to do "mere" regulatory work for a regional bank.  She is a trial attorney and considers that to be her true calling.  She wants to get into a courtroom and make a difference in the world.  The scene with the judge eating his lunch was designed, IMO, to demonstrate that.

 

 

8 hours ago, The Poojer said:

Only problem I had with last night's episode was how Jimmy was left to open and run the store completely on his own on his very first morning of employment.  Loved seeing the crack in Mike's tough emotional exterior when he was fighting back crying during his daughter in law talking about his son. Those cousins are totally bad ass and I loved the ever so slight nod of appreciation one of them gave nacho after the compound raid

I made note of the fact that a new hire would not be left alone to run a store on his first day as well.  He wouldn't know how to do anything.

 

Don't think Mike was holding back crying; he was holding back rage directed at his daughter in law, the faker, and everyone else in the room.  A few minutes later he snapped and let them all have it.  He sees the group meetings as a pity party, not productive, and the sort of thing only weak minded people would be engaged in.  He doesn't want to be there but has been there to support his daughter in law.  Between her comments about forgetting her husband/his son, the faker, and everything else, he lost it.

 

 

2 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

I think Mike's interaction with Gus Fring was his most important scene in the episode.

 

He throws **** back in Gus's face. 

 

Also technically not something we haven't seen before, but continues to show the clash between those two worlds: the drug lord vs the small time rogue with nothing to lose.

 

That's the one type of character Gus can't control, he always underestimates, and will ultimate cause his demise.

That scene was great.  Mike is possibly the only character on the show who is more competent than Gus.  Or at least his equal.  Gus knows it, too, and respects Mike for it.

 

Highly disagree that this was a "meaningless episode."  The show moves at the pace Gilligan wants to tell it at, as he did with Breaking Bad, and these slightly mellow episodes always pay big dividends down the road.  It is in these episodes that various important factors are planted.  We'll see them come to harvest in future episodes.

Nothing is a waste and everything has a purpose.  That's why the show is so F-ing good.

 

 

[shrader]

That opening scene was ended so abruptly, it made me think something was wrong with my signal.  Have they ever had one that short?

[Fadingpain]

1 hour ago, shrader said:

That opening scene was ended so abruptly, it made me think something was wrong with my signal.  Have they ever had one that short?

Not sure.  It was definitely short and it definitely ended abruptly.  Kind of made me laugh when I saw it.

 

 

[meazza]

For those saying mike has nothing to lose, he has his grand daughter. I’m sure we’ll see the day where even mike will be put in his place by Gus. Eventually Gus will force him to do something he doesn’t want to.

 

If anyone remembers from breaking bad, when mike had to kill Walt, walt tried to change his mind and mike responded that he didn’t have a choice. 

[row_33]

4 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

I don't think Kim has lost it, per se.  I think she realizes in her soul that she does not want to do "mere" regulatory work for a regional bank.  She is a trial attorney and considers that to be her true calling.  She wants to get into a courtroom and make a difference in the world.  The scene with the judge eating his lunch was designed, IMO, to demonstrate that.

 

 

I made note of the fact that a new hire would not be left alone to run a store on his first day as well.  He wouldn't know how to do anything.

 

Don't think Mike was holding back crying; he was holding back rage directed at his daughter in law, the faker, and everyone else in the room.  A few minutes later he snapped and let them all have it.  He sees the group meetings as a pity party, not productive, and the sort of thing only weak minded people would be engaged in.  He doesn't want to be there but has been there to support his daughter in law.  Between her comments about forgetting her husband/his son, the faker, and everything else, he lost it.

 

 

That scene was great.  Mike is possibly the only character on the show who is more competent than Gus.  Or at least his equal.  Gus knows it, too, and respects Mike for it.

 

Highly disagree that this was a "meaningless episode."  The show moves at the pace Gilligan wants to tell it at, as he did with Breaking Bad, and these slightly mellow episodes always pay big dividends down the road.  It is in these episodes that various important factors are planted.  We'll see them come to harvest in future episodes.

Nothing is a waste and everything has a purpose.  That's why the show is so F-ing good.

 

 

 

Sopranos and BB were noted for nothing episodes and then the body count went to the moon next episode

 

 

[apuszczalowski]

17 hours ago, row_33 said:

It’s science fiction with the Salamanca’s, taking them into silly powers, and people with  Wile E Coyote ability to overcome near fatal injury and keep going, I remember many complained about this happening during BB, but hey it is what it is, a TV show.

 

Kim has lost it, she had a good file to return to and is over it already. I see this at work with cases, I have fought it off myself a few times over the years, many have not returned and have found something else to pursue in life.

 

 

 

 

 

Thats sort of what the Judge was referring to with her, he didn't want her using his court room as a way to try and spark her interest back into being a lawyer.\He pretty much told her, just stick with what you are doing, make lots of money. It happens alot today with people in all different jobs. The got into something because it was something they loved, but after doing it for a while they start losing that spark and either fight to try and regain it, or move on to find something else

[apuszczalowski]

 

 

As for  last nights episode, it did seem slow/meaningless, but usually those are the episodes that set up things in future episodes. That after you finish the season you look back and realize the episode had more to it then you first thought. The scenes where they took out the gang, and Jimmy at work by himself were a bit unbelievable/ far from reality. The fact that they called him very early in the morning to give him the job and have him start right away seemed unbelievable, then they have him running the store by himself on the first day. Although we aren't sure what he said to them to get the job, maybe he conned them into believing he had lots of experience with cell phones and managing a business? Also seemed like the store was never a busy location, it could be one all their new employees start out at because its not busy?

 

The scene with Mike in the meeting, that also seemed more like rage then sadness coming over him. He was emotional because his daughter in law is saying that she is starting to let go of his son and isn't constantly thinking of him. That hurts him because he probably thinks about his son all the time and she seems like she is starting to move on from him. Then the group leader tells her that thats progress, and then the other guy starts telling a story that he believes is made up to help her which pushes him over the edge. I wonder if Mikes turning point is going to come by his Daughter in law continuing to move on from his son? The end seen was also important as he stood up to Gus and sets up next episode that will most likely have him doing some personal work for him.

 

As for Kim, She is definitely at that point where she is searching inside herself as to what her true calling is and what she wants to keep doing. Seeing the aggressive expansion plans dropped in her lap last episode scarred her most likely because she knew that the work she just did for them took a toll on her already and was more then she could handle alone, now these plans are going to have her working even more. She goes to the court room to sit and watch and try to see if she could re-ignite her spark or figure out if its what she wants to do.

 

As for Jimmy, there really wasn't much for him except that he takes the job which leads to his next scam, selling burner cell phones to dealers......

[row_33]

2 hours ago, apuszczalowski said:

Thats sort of what the Judge was referring to with her, he didn't want her using his court room as a way to try and spark her interest back into being a lawyer.\He pretty much told her, just stick with what you are doing, make lots of money. It happens alot today with people in all different jobs. The got into something because it was something they loved, but after doing it for a while they start losing that spark and either fight to try and regain it, or move on to find something else

 

doesn’t work that way in the billable world...

 

she was at the big firm in town and was relegated to basement research grind work, then knows she has the bank work only due to a total fraud by Jimmy. And her bridges are burned at what looks like the only white shoe firm in town, Howard won’t take her back.

 

but on TV you make up whatever you want

2 hours ago, apuszczalowski said:

Thats sort of what the Judge was referring to with her, he didn't want her using his court room as a way to try and spark her interest back into being a lawyer.\He pretty much told her, just stick with what you are doing, make lots of money. It happens alot today with people in all different jobs. The got into something because it was something they loved, but after doing it for a while they start losing that spark and either fight to try and regain it, or move on to find something else

 

doesn’t work that way in the billable world...

 

she was at the big firm in town and was relegated to basement research grind work, then knows she has the bank work only due to a total fraud by Jimmy. And her bridges are burned at what looks like the only white shoe firm in town, Howard won’t take her back.

 

but on TV you make up whatever you want

 

and with that background, how on earth did Chuck wind up in Albuquerque? Poetic license I guess...

 

2 hours ago, apuszczalowski said:

Thats sort of what the Judge was referring to with her, he didn't want her using his court room as a way to try and spark her interest back into being a lawyer.\He pretty much told her, just stick with what you are doing, make lots of money. It happens alot today with people in all different jobs. The got into something because it was something they loved, but after doing it for a while they start losing that spark and either fight to try and regain it, or move on to find something else

 

doesn’t work that way in the billable world...

 

she was at the big firm in town and was relegated to basement research grind work, then knows she has the bank work only due to a total fraud by Jimmy. And her bridges are burned at what looks like the only white shoe firm in town, Howard won’t take her back.

 

but on TV you make up whatever you want

 

and with that background and cultural standard, how on earth did Chuck wind up in Albuquerque? Poetic license I guess...

 

Maybe Chuck took a wrong turn at Pismo Beach.

 

[/dev/null]

10 hours ago, meazza said:

For those saying mike has nothing to lose, he has his grand daughter. I’m sure we’ll see the day where even mike will be put in his place by Gus. Eventually Gus will force him to do something he doesn’t want to.

 

If anyone remembers from breaking bad, when mike had to kill Walt, walt tried to change his mind and mike responded that he didn’t have a choice. 

 

Also recall the episode where Mike returns from Mexico after the bombing.  He was livid and ready to kill Walt

If anyone threatened Mike's grand daughter, the thing he loves most, do you think he would have been that upset after his death?

 

How about this theory: somebody threatens Mike's grand daughter and Gus's intervention is what saves her?  Thus cementing Mike's respect and loyalty.

Of course knowing Gus it could have been him pulling the strings all along

 

[Soda Popinski]

just saw it last night, good episode I thought.  

[row_33]

59 minutes ago, Soda Popinski said:

just saw it last night, good episode I thought.  

 

They have to make their own fun in those parts of the world