School Choice?

[boyst]

16 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

My father taught in the Buffalo public school system. He sent his kids to Catholic elementary schools.

My niece is now a BPS teacher. Should be interesting what she does with her kids.

I am all for parents having a say in their school of choice.  Sometimes money helps. Sometimes, it does not. Segregation - by special needs, gifted and talented, etc. really does help too, but it is not PC to say or do. There is a reason so many parents homeschool.
 

Is that brockport?  My aunt retired from there as a special needs teacher.

 

Go over to the north side, the fire department Protectives was founded by my great grandpa and he has a statue to him.  Some drunk hit it, but I think it's back up finally.  Monroe country fire departments still gives out an award in his name

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, Boyst62 said:

Is that brockport?  My aunt retired from there as a special needs teacher.

 

Go over to the north side, the fire department Protectives was founded by my great grandpa and he has a statue to him.  Some drunk hit it, but I think it's back up finally.  Monroe country fire departments still gives out an award in his name

BPS = Buffalo Public Schools

[Keukasmallies]

As a former teacher, assistant high school principal, high school principal, ass't superintendent, and finally public school district superintendent, I support school choice and home schooling 100%.  There is no one way to educate young people; for many families public school is the way to go, for others, not so much.

[3rdnlng]

12 minutes ago, Keukasmallies said:

As a former teacher, assistant high school principal, high school principal, ass't superintendent, and finally public school district superintendent, I support school choice and home schooling 100%.  There is no one way to educate young people; for many families public school is the way to go, for others, not so much.

Right on!  From my experience that's a rare attitude for a faculty or administration person in the public school system. I see one hell of a lot of these people just protecting their turf and fighting school choice.

[DC Tom]

1 hour ago, Keukasmallies said:

As a former teacher, assistant high school principal, high school principal, ass't superintendent, and finally public school district superintendent, I support school choice and home schooling 100%.  There is no one way to educate young people; for many families public school is the way to go, for others, not so much.

 

You were never in either of the unions, were you?

[row_33]

14 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

You were never in either of the unions, were you?

 

they are Federations in Canada, not unions... everyone working in the family was a teacher except for 3 of us....they monopolized every get-together for 50 years complaining and whining the whole time.

 

 

[Keukasmallies]

23 hours ago, DC Tom said:

 

You were never in either of the unions, were you?

 

Actually I helped write the very first teachers' union contract for the Corning school district in 1965.  We were excited because we were laboring under the impression (later proven false) that a union would be good for us.  We quickly found out the union was good for the union, not necessarily its members.  As the years passed, I was a member of an administrators union, but it was mainly an in-house group with little influence from the NYS-level officials.  As a Superintendent I had good relationships with the teachers and administrators unions, but marveled at the teachers union's ability to change stances between private and public agreements.  For example, If I was recommending to the school board that they deny tenure to a probationary teacher, the union might agree with me in private that the teacher wasn't worthy of tenure, but then explain to me that publically they had a duty to support the teacher and oppose my recommendation to the school board by rallying parents, teachers, etc. 

 

Many teachers will silently cheer the recent SCOTUS decision regarding non-member payments to teacher unions to support "negotiations activities."

 

And so it goes....

[boyst]

1 hour ago, Keukasmallies said:

 

Actually I helped write the very first teachers' union contract for the Corning school district in 1965.  We were excited because we were laboring under the impression (later proven false) that a union would be good for us.  We quickly found out the union was good for the union, not necessarily its members.  As the years passed, I was a member of an administrators union, but it was mainly an in-house group with little influence from the NYS-level officials.  As a Superintendent I had good relationships with the teachers and administrators unions, but marveled at the teachers union's ability to change stances between private and public agreements.  For example, If I was recommending to the school board that they deny tenure to a probationary teacher, the union might agree with me in private that the teacher wasn't worthy of tenure, but then explain to me that publically they had a duty to support the teacher and oppose my recommendation to the school board by rallying parents, teachers, etc. 

 

Many teachers will silently cheer the recent SCOTUS decision regarding non-member payments to teacher unions to support "negotiations activities."

 

And so it goes....

Thank you for your service 

[The_Dude]

My moms a teacher at a private school. A very EXPENSIVE private school. How expensive? Well, she taught Kenny Rogers twin boys, and lots of Falcons players kids attend. To me, the weird thing is my mom took a pay cut to go work at the private school. Weird. I thought they’d get paid more....anyways, she did it because she could just not work for government operated schools anymore. 

[DC Tom]

3 hours ago, Keukasmallies said:

 

Actually I helped write the very first teachers' union contract for the Corning school district in 1965.  We were excited because we were laboring under the impression (later proven false) that a union would be good for us.  We quickly found out the union was good for the union, not necessarily its members.  As the years passed, I was a member of an administrators union, but it was mainly an in-house group with little influence from the NYS-level officials.  As a Superintendent I had good relationships with the teachers and administrators unions, but marveled at the teachers union's ability to change stances between private and public agreements.  For example, If I was recommending to the school board that they deny tenure to a probationary teacher, the union might agree with me in private that the teacher wasn't worthy of tenure, but then explain to me that publically they had a duty to support the teacher and oppose my recommendation to the school board by rallying parents, teachers, etc. 

 

Many teachers will silently cheer the recent SCOTUS decision regarding non-member payments to teacher unions to support "negotiations activities."

 

And so it goes....

 

Was that a NYSUT affiliate back then?  

 

I used to work at the AFT national HQ downtown.  A bigger bunch of useless lumps of protoplasm I have never seen.  I remember how dead-set against anything that would even imply their vision of public schooling being for the teachers' benefit was anathema - I never heard anything about home-schooling, but I can't imagine they'd support that much choice, particularly under Weingarten now.  They're not why I'm anti-union...but them and the NEA are the examples I use of "unions that suck."

[Keukasmallies]

15 hours ago, DC Tom said:

 

Was that a NYSUT affiliate back then?  

 

I used to work at the AFT national HQ downtown.  A bigger bunch of useless lumps of protoplasm I have never seen.  I remember how dead-set against anything that would even imply their vision of public schooling being for the teachers' benefit was anathema - I never heard anything about home-schooling, but I can't imagine they'd support that much choice, particularly under Weingarten now.  They're not why I'm anti-union...but them and the NEA are the examples I use of "unions that suck."

 

Yes, I taught in two upstate NY public school districts and each local was a NYSUT affiliate.  Once I moved out of the classroom, the two administrator locals were affiliated with SAANYS.  The latter was much more education attuned than the former.  After the Ass't Sup't level there's no union as the Superintendent is hired by, and serves at the pleasure of the school board as it should be.  AFT was too "radical" for small upstate districts.  

 

I'm not anti-union in terms of philosophical grounding because I can see the promise held out by the original concept of unionization; I am anti-union to the extent that I understand what unions have become and the political power they wield.

Edited August 5, 2018 by Keukasmallies

[KD in CA]

On 8/4/2018 at 5:57 PM, Keukasmallies said:

 

Yes, I taught in two upstate NY public school districts and each local was a NYSUT affiliate.  Once I moved out of the classroom, the two administrator locals were affiliated with SAANYS.  The latter was much more education attuned than the former.  After the Ass't Sup't level there's no union as the Superintendent is hired by, and serves at the pleasure of the school board as it should be.  AFT was too "radical" for small upstate districts.  

 

I'm not anti-union in terms of philosophical grounding because I can see the promise held out by the original concept of unionization; I am anti-union to the extent that I understand what unions have become and the political power they wield.

 

The promise held out by the original concept of unionization has been codified into federal and state law and there are federal and state agencies who proactivity seek out violators of those laws.

[Keukasmallies]

10 hours ago, KD in CA said:

 

The promise held out by the original concept of unionization has been codified into federal and state law and there are federal and state agencies who proactivity seek out violators of those laws.

 

'zackly right .

[B-Man]

More? How is that even possible?

 

American Federation of Teachers President: ´We´re Becoming More Political´ by Brianna Heldt

Original Article       .

[row_33]

12 hours ago, Keukasmallies said:

 

'zackly right .

 

a few times i showed up to vote for Union leadership at the stated time of 4pm and they delayed and waited until 1am when enough people had left to ensure the crooked side won

 

that's how you win a vote

 

like those "last person touching the car wins it" contests

 

 

[DC Tom]

49 minutes ago, B-Man said:

More? How is that even possible?

 

American Federation of Teachers President: ´We´re Becoming More Political´ by Brianna Heldt

Original Article       .

 

Out of every $5 they collect, $4 - 80% - already goes to lobbying.  What, are they not going to provide any services to membership?  They're sure as hell not cutting the budget for the Al Shanker Memorial Wine Cellar.

 

AFT is the absolute shittiest !@#$ing union in the country.  Their national HQ is right across the street from me, if anyone wants to join me throwing rotten fruit at Randi Weingarten some day.  Randi always loved a good demonstration, she shouldn't mind.

[B-Man]

PROPAGANDA IN SUBURBAN BOSTON HIGH SCHOOL: Emails Reveal High School Teachers Plotting to Hide Their Political Bias From Parents. 

 

One teacher wrote, “Personally, I’m finding it really difficult in the current climate to teach kids to appreciate other perspectives. . . I don’t feel good about protecting [a nativist] student’s right to a so‐called ‘political’ view.”

 

 

 

We know better than you - The Left.

 

 

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