YoloinOhio Posted August 1, 2018 Author Posted August 1, 2018 1 hour ago, mattynh said: And so was Beane, saying Adolphus finally "get it" Trying to trade him brings out the positive comments
Royale with Cheese Posted August 1, 2018 Posted August 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Trying to trade him brings out the positive comments Are you surprised by Washington's play at this point or is this what you expected when you watched him at OSU?
Fadingpain Posted August 1, 2018 Posted August 1, 2018 Is it possible Joe B. and his ilk don't have a clue as to what they are watching? Or that their observations may differ from those of the coaching staff?
Soda Popinski Posted August 1, 2018 Posted August 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: Is it possible Joe B. and his ilk don't have a clue as to what they are watching? Or that their observations may differ from those of the coaching staff? It's very possible, but I do think they base their observations on what McDermott and Beane have done in the past with fringe players.
aceman_16 Posted August 1, 2018 Posted August 1, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: 1). I agree you shouldn’t trade up for a receiver in the first. But Sammy was the clear 1 and thought to have Julio ability. Also, he is getting paid $16 million dollars by one of the best offensive coaches in the nfl. Do you think Zay will ever command that much? 2) we traded up to get Zay because we hired his wr coach and JuJu was still on the board. 3). We gave up a good amount to get Allen. If any of the qbs end up being better than him, it looks like a bad move. 1&2) Zay was the 37th pick in the draft. Buffalo traded pick No. 44 and No. 91 to the Rams in exchange for No. 37 and No. 149. In essence, we traded 2 picks to get 2 picks with about the same playabilty and ability to make the team and impact. Moreover, the BEST time to move up is when the coach has previous experience with someone. It offers less variables. I guess Rex had experience with Sammy as well when his son was the long snapper at Clemson (sarcasm btw). Sammy Watkins was the 4th overall pick. The Bills sent the ninth overall pick (one pick) along with their first (second pick) and fourth-round (third pick) selections in 2015 to Cleveland in the trade. So we picked up 1 impact position instead of 3 - on a team without the certainty of a franchise QB and questionable talent. This entire argument is silly and a non starter if one finds equivilance between the two. 3) That is ANY position in a draft. However, your premise is correct - missing out on a highly drafted QB is not good. Edited August 1, 2018 by aceman_16 Spacing is nice
YoloinOhio Posted August 1, 2018 Author Posted August 1, 2018 29 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Are you surprised by Washington's play at this point or is this what you expected when you watched him at OSU? I thinks he’s talented but lacks football intelligence and intrinsic motivation. Not going to cut it in the big leagues.
GunnerBill Posted August 1, 2018 Posted August 1, 2018 45 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: You know he has to be REALLY bad in order for me to make a negative comment! Luckily Adolphus was downright awful
Matt_In_NH Posted August 1, 2018 Posted August 1, 2018 52 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Trying to trade him brings out the positive comments Could be
3rdand12 Posted August 1, 2018 Posted August 1, 2018 6 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: I missed that. Hatley is a more of a hole clogger right? new terminology ? you kids and your sexual references, geesh 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Washington was atrocious on the field last season. He needs to have a really good camp and pre-season for me to give him a break. yep 4 hours ago, jrober38 said: Washington was always a terrible draft pick with no upside. He's a poor athlete for his position, has below average movement skills and strength and ultimately hasn't proven to be a good NFL player. I don't see him making the team. but he can play DE in a 3-4 and then move inside in a 4-3. isn't that enough for you people ? : ) 3 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Whaley bashing in jest is ok though isn’t it? Reality is the guy has an eye for talent, but building a team? Not quite so sure. Sammy is a fine example. All the talent in the world- but so far he’s been found expendable by two teams... what’s the prediction he plays out his whole deal in kc? The new guys seem to prioritize team and scheme over talent. Time will tell how well it works. The real issue with Adolphis is; Kyle, Star and the rook are locks. Rex pick. just like Lawson and Ragland. Whaley did what he was asked 3 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Since you mention trading up, Whaley had some nice trade downs. Consider with the bills first 2013 pick they picked up Shady + one year of a nearly DROY MLB. That’s acceptable Philly called Buffalo while Brandon was on TPs yacht. fact they were likely buzzed from the wine by then. conjecture worked out well for Bills. opinion 1
Royale with Cheese Posted August 1, 2018 Posted August 1, 2018 10 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: new terminology ? you kids and your sexual references, geesh Absolutely a great catch. I can't take credit for this because it wasn't intended.
3rdand12 Posted August 1, 2018 Posted August 1, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, fridge said: At times when I’ve focused on a Washington in games he’s actually looked pretty good. I don’t understand the hate here. at time when i have focused on him he was doing nothing. Not personal my friend. and i did watch him and Lawson. those who like stats woulds say his run defense was suspect 4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Absolutely a great catch. I can't take credit for this because it wasn't intended. you still get points ! Edited August 1, 2018 by 3rdand12
Da webster guy Posted August 1, 2018 Posted August 1, 2018 Man they were gushing over this kid on draft day. Not about him getting arrested trying to hire a hooker. The other part... This Strengths: Quick, disruptive defender Interior pass-rush skills Fast to fire his gap Gets a lot of pressure on the quarterback Can bull rush Closes well on the quarterback Quality run-defender Can hold his gap against runs Skilled at shedding blocks Good length Can split two blockers Versatile Speed to the flat Stays low out of his stance Can swim off blocks Scheme versatile Good fit as a three-technique in a 4-3 Fits as a five-technique in a 3-4 Remember how awesome he looked early in his rookie camp too. Looks like he might have the Dareus disease, talent but not enough discipline and drive.
billsfan89 Posted August 2, 2018 Posted August 2, 2018 Too early to tell in camp, I think by the time the first pre-season game is up you can really start to get a read for how guys are performing. I feel like with early training camp reports you often are subjected to the reporter's opinions too often. 8 hours ago, Da webster guy said: Man they were gushing over this kid on draft day. Not about him getting arrested trying to hire a hooker. The other part... This Strengths: Quick, disruptive defender Interior pass-rush skills Fast to fire his gap Gets a lot of pressure on the quarterback Can bull rush Closes well on the quarterback Quality run-defender Can hold his gap against runs Skilled at shedding blocks Good length Can split two blockers Versatile Speed to the flat Stays low out of his stance Can swim off blocks Scheme versatile Good fit as a three-technique in a 4-3 Fits as a five-technique in a 3-4 Remember how awesome he looked early in his rookie camp too. Looks like he might have the Dareus disease, talent but not enough discipline and drive. Dareus at least played at an elite level in his rookie contract, even when Dareus got complacent he was still a way above average NFL player at his position (The run defenses collapse after he got traded and The Jags improvement in that department proves he had decent value just not worth the massive contract and a locker room cancer apparently.) Washington just hasn't been able to put it together as an interior pass rusher, dude was never projected to be a great run defender but was drafted on his potential as an interior pass rusher. Hopefully he rounds into form as camp goes on but I suspect a poor camp performance and a strong performance from a player behind him will likely get him cut or traded if some other team wants him for a 7th.
Augie Posted August 2, 2018 Posted August 2, 2018 12 hours ago, GunnerBill said: The real issue is on the field in actual games Adolphus has... well... sucked Which led to signing Star and using a 3rd round pick (to take what I think will be a steal). This was not happenstance. I think maybe they noticed. I won’t get ahead of myself in gushing, but I find this FO to be refreshing, to say the least. To soon to go too far, but......
vincec Posted August 2, 2018 Posted August 2, 2018 22 hours ago, billieve420 said: I believe I also heard yesterday that Adolphus had turned the corner and was praised by McDermott/Bean so probably looking to trade him. This is so true.
Paul Costa Posted August 2, 2018 Posted August 2, 2018 7 hours ago, Augie said: Which led to signing Star and using a 3rd round pick (to take what I think will be a steal). This was not happenstance. I think maybe they noticed. I won’t get ahead of myself in gushing, but I find this FO to be refreshing, to say the least. To soon to go too far, but...... Why is Kyle Williams saying Washington is playing great right now. On moving the chains a couple of days ago Pat Kirwin asked Kyle how Harrison Phillips is doing and he said nothing against Harrison but the guy who’s killing it in camp is Adolphus Washington. He’s really figured it out. On the same show McDermott & Beane also gave high praise for Washington. Are they talking up Washington so they can trade him? Is Kyle part of the scheme? 1
SoTier Posted August 2, 2018 Posted August 2, 2018 22 hours ago, aceman_16 said: I agree with your general premise - ALL GMs have hits and misses. However, the trade ups that this regime has been doing 1) make sense in team building and hole filling and 2) don't sell the farm FOR A WIDE receiver in a DEEP wide receiver class! If one can't see the difference, then they are just stuck in their own confirmation bias or being a troll. There's nothing to "see". The only "differences" are: a) McDermott/Beane are currently TBD darlings so they can do no wrong in the eyes of their fanboys; b) there hasn't been enough time for McDermott/Beane draftees to be judged as failures. McDermott/Beane's trade-ups in 2018 dwarf all of Whaley's. They gave up so much to get Allen that if he fails, I don't think that they can survive.
Cornette's Commentary Posted August 2, 2018 Posted August 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, SoTier said: There's nothing to "see". The only "differences" are: a) McDermott/Beane are currently TBD darlings so they can do no wrong in the eyes of their fanboys; b) there hasn't been enough time for McDermott/Beane draftees to be judged as failures. McDermott/Beane's trade-ups in 2018 dwarf all of Whaley's. They gave up so much to get Allen that if he fails, I don't think that they can survive.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 2, 2018 Posted August 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, SoTier said: There's nothing to "see". The only "differences" are: a) McDermott/Beane are currently TBD darlings so they can do no wrong in the eyes of their fanboys; b) there hasn't been enough time for McDermott/Beane draftees to be judged as failures. McDermott/Beane's trade-ups in 2018 dwarf all of Whaley's. They gave up so much to get Allen that if he fails, I don't think that they can survive. They gave up some, maybe more than I was happy with, but not as much as some fans were clamoring for spending on the top QB. So, I wouldn't call it too much myself at this time. Give it a season or two and my opinion on this may change.
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