CowgirlsFan Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 Appears we are headed to high scoring games because everyone will be afraid to tackle. 1 1
DrDawkinstein Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: And I also saw a play that was the scenario I suggested. Seam route into the endzone to a tall player with a ball thrown high over the trailing DB. The safety came over and hit him in the chest with a shoulder to break up the play. Flag thrown. How precisely do you defend that play? The corner had good coverage and the safety rotated over. The only thing you can do now is try to play the ball which again gives a massive advantage to the offense. All of the penalties from last night are in a single video in this thread. Could you point out exactly which play you are referring to? Sincerely asking since Im interested in all of this. edit: here's the vid. let me know the time stamp of which play you are talking about. Edited August 3, 2018 by DrDawkinstein
CommonCents Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: All of the penalties from last night are in a single video in this thread. Could you point out exactly which play you are referring to? Sincerely asking since Im interested in all of this. He described the play on Hurst.
DrDawkinstein Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, CowgirlsFan said: Appears we are headed to high scoring games because everyone will be afraid to tackle. Or they could just tackle correctly like they did from the start of football to about 1995. 4 minutes ago, Commonsense said: He described the play on Hurst. I want to make sure we're talking about the same play. get me a timestamp. please and thanks. ok, i think that's the one at about 1:30. Yeah, that one is borderline and probably a case of preseason over-officiating. He launches up helmet first on a defenseless receiver. I'll give you guys that play probably shouldnt get flagged, but it's close. Edited August 3, 2018 by DrDawkinstein
Figster Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, CowgirlsFan said: Appears we are headed to high scoring games because everyone will be afraid to tackle. and heres the thing Cowgirl, football is a game of split second read and react/ bang, bang plays so when you start manipulating the game in a way that causes hesitation in an athlete that is accustomed to doing what comes natual players get hurt in my humble opinion. Edited August 3, 2018 by Figster
billsintaiwan Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 Ach. If there was something the game didn't need it was a new penalty based on an official's split second judgment. Plays happen too fast for there to be any consistency in officiating. Call spearing when there is spearing. 1
That's No Moon Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Or they could just tackle correctly like they did from the start of football to about 1995. I want to make sure we're talking about the same play. get me a timestamp. please and thanks. ok, i think that's the one at about 1:30. Yeah, that one is borderline and probably a case of preseason over-officiating. He launches up helmet first on a defenseless receiver. I'll give you guys that play probably shouldnt get flagged, but it's close. 1:30 is the beginning. Here's the thing. Jump. You just launched yourself headfirst, it's impossible to jump and NOT do that. The player was in the process of jumping to make a play, he hadn't even left the ground yet when contact was made. When contact was made (1:59) his head was off to the side and he hit the player primarily with his shoulder in the chest. There is glancing contact between the facemask and the receiver's arm. How ELSE is the safety supposed to do his job on this play? I'm asking seriously because unless there is a legitimate answer they just broke the game with this rule.
DrDawkinstein Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 15 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: 1:30 is the beginning. Here's the thing. Jump. You just launched yourself headfirst, it's impossible to jump and NOT do that. The player was in the process of jumping to make a play, he hadn't even left the ground yet when contact was made. When contact was made (1:59) his head was off to the side and he hit the player primarily with his shoulder in the chest. There is glancing contact between the facemask and the receiver's arm. How ELSE is the safety supposed to do his job on this play? I'm asking seriously because unless there is a legitimate answer they just broke the game with this rule. Already admitted that one was borderline, and probably caught up in the preseason over-officiating. They didnt really specify on the call, but it could have been Defenseless Receiver too, which has been around for a couple years. That said, he wasnt going for the ball with his jump he was going for the man. He went high when he didnt need to.Had he broke down, and lead with his face and shoulder into the body, he would have equally destroyed the receiver and broke up the pass, and it would have been a much safer and legal play. These guys are just going to have to get used to going back to the way it was pre-1995.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 28 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Already admitted that one was borderline, and probably caught up in the preseason over-officiating. They didnt really specify on the call, but it could have been Defenseless Receiver too, which has been around for a couple years. That said, he wasnt going for the ball with his jump he was going for the man. He went high when he didnt need to.Had he broke down, and lead with his face and shoulder into the body, he would have equally destroyed the receiver and broke up the pass, and it would have been a much safer and legal play. These guys are just going to have to get used to going back to the way it was pre-1995. I'm really pissed about the leading with the helmet' call on Jerry Hughes on 10/29 against the Pat's. Who calls that in the 4th quarter with the game on the line?? And with Hughes not even being on the field it seems even worse! This is #$@@ing bull#!@$. (just want to get a jump on it)
DrDawkinstein Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 23 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I'm really pissed about the leading with the helmet' call on Jerry Hughes on 10/29 against the Pat's. Who calls that in the 4th quarter with the game on the line?? And with Hughes not even being on the field it seems even worse! This is #$@@ing bull#!@$. (just want to get a jump on it) Yep, as I said, the only part of the rule I dont like is that it's another rule for the officials to use to help determine the outcome of games. But as far as the details of the rule goes, I'm for it. However, officials have been giving games to the Pats long before this rule, so nothing changed there. 1
JerseyBills Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 4 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Good way to completely ruin the game. It's absolutely ridiculous . I can't wrap my head around how they would think the positive outweighs the negative with this rule
reddogblitz Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 On 7/29/2018 at 1:46 PM, quinnearlysghost88 said: Players have managed to play the game for decades without launching at opponents head-first like a missile to bring them down. This needed to be curbed a long time ago. Really? When? 1
That's No Moon Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: These guys are just going to have to get used to going back to the way it was pre-1995. FWIW, leading with your face is leading with your helmet the way the rule is called now. I also think players have been hitting this way a lot longer than 1995. Jack Tatum - basically the entire film is a penalty now Ronnie Lott Dennis Smith - again almost the entire Top 10 is illegal now Chuck Cecil Chuck Bednarik - one of the most famous plays in NFL history - penalty today I could go on and on. Let's not wax poetic about the good old days when football was clean. It wasn't. and also FWIW, nobody has told me what the safety in last nights game was SUPPOSED to do other than let the guy score a TD in front of him. Edited August 3, 2018 by That's No Moon 1 2
DrDawkinstein Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: FWIW, leading with your face is leading with your helmet the way the rule is called now. I also think players have been hitting this way a lot longer than 1995. Jack Tatum - basically the entire film is a penalty now Ronnie Lott Dennis Smith - again almost the entire Top 10 is illegal now Chuck Cecil Chuck Bednarik - one of the most famous plays in NFL history - penalty today I could go on and on. Let's not wax poetic about the good old days when football was clean. It wasn't. To the bold: No it isnt. It is specifically about dropping your face and lowering your helmet. And yes, there have been some who hit like that. Thanks for pointing out Tatum, who is known as the dirtiest player in league history and not in the Hall of Fame because his style of hitting PARALYZED Darryl Stingly. And now that everyone else plays like that, you're surprised they are trying to stop it? Ryan Shazier paralyzed himself last year. Our own Kevin Everett dropped his head going into contact and paralyzed himself. THAT is what we are talking about here. You pull out a handful of players over 60 years, but now that style is the norm. And it cant be. The game, and more importantly the players, wont survive it. 10 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: FWIW, nobody has told me what the safety in last nights game was SUPPOSED to do other than let the guy score a TD in front of him. I told you already: 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: Had he broke down, and lead with his face and shoulder into the body, he would have equally destroyed the receiver and broke up the pass, and it would have been a much safer and legal play. Edited August 3, 2018 by DrDawkinstein
That's No Moon Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: You pull out a handful of players I could have listed tons more. Tons. Going back to the play in question, the safety didnt drop his head. He hit the player with his shoulder and his head up and got flagged anyway. They are crippling the game with regulation and more and more games will be decided by officials rather than players. Football is already a substantially different game than I grew up watching, before 1995. 1
Thrivefourfive Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 To the OP - Yes, too many penalties will turn me off real quickly. It’s already an unwatchable game. The last 5 mins of a game is ‘okay’; the last 5 of an important game or the playoffs are very good; but my god...a 3.5 hr regular season Bills game at Cincinnati is dreadfully slow, and just not entertaining. Commercials are ruining the game to a tipping point, and I’m getting sick just thinking about more time delays and constant replays and talking heads discussing helmet penalties. I think the NFL and TV broadcasts honestly believe that we fans like that crap. We don’t! The “situational” sports edipemdic (6 time-outs in the NBA; specialist relievers in MLB) is nauseating. The NHL still does it right. 1
DrDawkinstein Posted August 4, 2018 Posted August 4, 2018 2 hours ago, That's No Moon said: I could have listed tons more. Tons. Going back to the play in question, the safety didnt drop his head. He hit the player with his shoulder and his head up and got flagged anyway. They are crippling the game with regulation and more and more games will be decided by officials rather than players. Football is already a substantially different game than I grew up watching, before 1995. Are you not reading my posts? Serious question. Because I've addressed this 3 times now.
HardyBoy Posted August 4, 2018 Posted August 4, 2018 On 7/29/2018 at 4:53 PM, #34fan said: Putting your head down is kind of how your body naturally protects your eyes and vital organs from impact. To me its like trying to tell a shark not to roll its eyes back when it attacks... Eons of natural selection has perfected this reflex... Shazier's injury, as awful as it was, is just another "wrong place, wrong time" event we have to face sometimes... He was trying to hit a moving target, and something went wrong. No, this is what something looks like that has evolved to instinctively lead with the head. Humans drop their heads on impact to make themselves as small as possible to avoid contact.
#34fan Posted August 4, 2018 Author Posted August 4, 2018 13 minutes ago, HardyBoy said: No, this is what something looks like that has evolved to instinctively lead with the head. Humans drop their heads on impact to make themselves as small as possible to avoid contact. These horny mountain-goats evolved to be led by their c**ks…. They just use their heads to sort out disagreements.
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