JoPar_v2 Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 Seems like in all the Allen threads one of the first things defenders say is, “well he’s got drive, look where he came from, etc.” I don’t think anyone has ever questioned his drive (OTOH, the same people seem quick to dismiss Rosen on the same grounds.) What makes people worry about Allen is talent, plain and simple. His accuracy, his awareness and decision making are all suspect coming into the league. I hope he can improve those, but I’m not terribly confident he will.
fansince88 Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 4 hours ago, Gugny said: Has anyone here tried smoking pastrami or Canadian bacon before? Smoked Pastrami on Rye bread. The best! Canadian bacon...its just ham. 1
ngbills Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 5 hours ago, RobH063 said: Mike Trout struck out hundreds of times growing up playing baseball. He made hundreds of errors too. I knew he would never be any good. No Trout was not Josh Allen... Trout attended Millville Senior High School in Millville, New Jersey where he played both baseball and basketball,[16] earning five letters (three in baseball and two in basketball).[8] In his junior year, he threw a no-hitter against Egg Harbor Township High School. The Thunderbolts made it to the state playoffs and were defeated by Cherry Hill High School East.[14] He started as a pitcher and shortstop, and was shifted to the outfield during his senior year.[17] That year, he hit 18 home runs, a New Jersey high school record.[18] Trout had committed to play baseball at East Carolina University prior to the 2009 MLB Draft.[8] Millville initially planned to retire Trout's jersey number, but instead began awarding it to the team captain, starting in 2012.[19] Trout played travel ball with Tri-State Arsenal, one of the premier travel programs in the Northeast. He began working with the coaches at Arsenal at age 14.[20] Trout played in various tournaments with Tri-State Arsenal, including the Perfect Game WWBA Championships in Jupiter, Florida in 2007 and 2008.[21] In the summer before his senior year, Trout attended the Area Code Games in southern California, where he went 6-for-11 against some of the best players in the country.[22] Angels scout Greg Morhardt, who had played in the minor leagues with Trout's father, claimed Mike was the fastest and strongest 17-year-old he had ever seen.[9] He started his professional career in 2009 playing for the Arizona Angels of the rookie-level Arizona League, hitting .360 with a .418 OBP and .506 SLG with one home run, 25 runs batted in (RBIs), and 13 stolen bases in 187 plate appearances over 39 games. He was beaten out in being named AZL Most Valuable Player by Cody Decker.[24][25] He finished the season playing for the Cedar Rapids Kernels of the Class A Midwest League, hitting .267 over 20 plate appearances in five games.[citation needed] Before the 2010 season, Trout was considered the Angels' third-best prospect and the 85th-best in all of baseball by Baseball America.[26][27] He started the season playing for Cedar Rapids, where he hit .362 with a .454 on-base percentage (OBP) and a .526 slugging percentage (SLG) with six home runs, 39 RBIs, and 45 stolen bases in 82 games. He was selected to play in the All-Star Futures Game.[18] In July, Baseball America named Trout the second-best overall baseball prospect.[28] After the Futures game, he was promoted to the Rancho Cucamonga Quakes of the Class A-Advanced California League.[29] After the 2010 season, Trout was named 2010 J.G. Taylor Spink Award as the Topps Minor League Player of the Year. At just 19 years and two months, he was the youngest player to win this award.[30] He was also named a Baseball America All-Star as well as a Topps Class A All-Star.[31] Prior to the 2011 season, Trout was ranked number one by ESPN's Keith Law in his 2011 top 100 prospects list[32] and by MLB's Jonathan Mayo.[33] Trout started the 2011 season with the Arkansas Travelers of the Class AA Texas League. He hit .324 with nine home runs, 27 RBIs, and 28 stolen bases in his first 75 games.[34]
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, fansince88 said: Smoked Pastrami on Rye bread. The best! Canadian bacon...its just ham. ...yup...saw some in a Cornwall strip club...... 1 1
Shaw66 Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said: Seems like in all the Allen threads one of the first things defenders say is, “well he’s got drive, look where he came from, etc.” I don’t think anyone has ever questioned his drive (OTOH, the same people seem quick to dismiss Rosen on the same grounds.) What makes people worry about Allen is talent, plain and simple. His accuracy, his awareness and decision making are all suspect coming into the league. I hope he can improve those, but I’m not terribly confident he will. I agree all those things are suspect. I'd argue that they're all suspect with the other rookie QBs, too. None of them has ever been in an NFL game, and they haven't shown they can do anything. There plenty of explanations why Allen did those things less well in college, maybe the explanations, maybe they aren't. But Allen has a lot of talent that we DON'T have to worry about. He can throw every pass the NFL demands. He can throw deep, he can throw with touch, he throw bullets, he can throw the sideline out routes. He has a quick release. He's big and strong. He's faster than any of the others in the top four rookies drafted. In short, he has a lot the other guys don't have. Mayfield's not getting any taller, Rosen's not getting any bigger, Darnold's not getting any smarter. I'm just gonna wait and see. 2
oldmanfan Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 Every thread like this about Allen, all I can think of is Remember the Titans and Coach Boone: Let the boys play!!!!!! 2
Bobby Hooks Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Shaw66 said: I agree all those things are suspect. I'd argue that they're all suspect with the other rookie QBs, too. None of them has ever been in an NFL game, and they haven't shown they can do anything. There plenty of explanations why Allen did those things less well in college, maybe the explanations, maybe they aren't. But Allen has a lot of talent that we DON'T have to worry about. He can throw every pass the NFL demands. He can throw deep, he can throw with touch, he throw bullets, he can throw the sideline out routes. He has a quick release. He's big and strong. He's faster than any of the others in the top four rookies drafted. In short, he has a lot the other guys don't have. Mayfield's not getting any taller, Rosen's not getting any bigger, Darnold's not getting any smarter. I'm just gonna wait and see. I’m in the same boat, kinda. I wanted the other Josh but I’m fully on board and willing to see it play out. After and during the draft I was fairly bummed but did an excellent job since then on selling myself on what Allen does bring to the table instead of focusing on what he may not.
without a drought Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 As Jack Reacher would say. "Hope for the best, plan for the worst." 2
CSBill Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 5 hours ago, Scorp83 said: Hour 1 from Howard & Jeremy this morning on the Football Outsiders write up...(which I've posted the link below). https://app.radio.com/s2OuDBPrGO Man... this guy scares me. This write up.... wow. From the Write Up: "A parody of an NFL quarterback prospect, Allen was abysmal in 2017 en route to not even making an all-Mountain West team. We don't want to say there's absolutely no chance he'll ever be good – he's got a deep ball, he's got some ability to make plays on the run and under pressure – but there is zero empirical evidence to support him becoming a reasonable NFL starting quarterback. And if you thought the excuses for his supporting cast were bad in Wyoming, wait till you see this Bills offense. ... Allen is the battleground that old scouts are going to die on, whether they're right about it or, as all evidence suggests, wrong about it." [BN] Blitz newsletter: Get your popcorn ready for this Josh Allen take – The Buffalo Newshttps://buffalonews.com/2018/07/24/josh-allen-take-football-outsiders-bills-almanac-scouts/ Lazy, unoriginal writing.
Shaw66 Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said: I’m in the same boat, kinda. I wanted the other Josh but I’m fully on board and willing to see it play out. After and during the draft I was fairly bummed but did an excellent job since then on selling myself on what Allen does bring to the table instead of focusing on what he may not. I'm excited about him because he has brains, is a competitor and is a dedicated guy. He's a perfect fit for McDermott. I think he's EJ Manuel with a football head on his shoulders. I expect he'll be starting before the end of the season.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 sad part is even if he tells his agent, "just get me the best deal possible regardless of what the other two do( Mayfield & Darnold)...I need to be there"..... the TBD gang stills rolls out the pigeon stained "red carpet"....
fansince88 Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 12 minutes ago, The Drought said: As Jack Reacher would say. "Hope for the best, plan for the worst." Both good movies.
TheElectricCompany Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) 34 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said: Seems like in all the Allen threads one of the first things defenders say is, “well he’s got drive, look where he came from, etc.” I don’t think anyone has ever questioned his drive (OTOH, the same people seem quick to dismiss Rosen on the same grounds.) What makes people worry about Allen is talent, plain and simple. His accuracy, his awareness and decision making are all suspect coming into the league. I hope he can improve those, but I’m not terribly confident he will. I don't want to diminish a quality work ethic and drive, but let's be real, we are talking about elite athletes. Nearly all of them are film, gym and training rats. Sure, some guys take it a step further, but most of them are working at their craft from sunup to sundown. This is not a case of everyone working 40 hours, and Allen will succeed because he's willing to work 60. What makes people worry is that when you turn on film, or look at stats, Josh Allen has been a mediocre QB, plain and simple. That's a really tough con to look past for a top 7 pick! Edited July 24, 2018 by TheElectricCompany 1
Jeff1954 Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 Great conversation. I have some questions please. Allen hasn’t signed yet. If he hasn’t signed by Thursday, does he become a “hold out” from training camp? How are his odds of developing this year and seeing the field affected if he doesn’t fully participate in training camp? Thanks for your answers.
without a drought Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, fansince88 said: Both good movies. Never saw either, read all the books, just couldn't get past Tom Cruise playing Jack Reacher who is 6'5" 250lbs and has dirty blond hair. The stories are good so I'm sure the movies were well done.
Shaw66 Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 8 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said: I don't want to diminish a quality work ethic and drive, but let's be real, we are talking about elite athletes. Nearly all of them are film, gym and training rats. Sure, some guys take it a step further, but most of them are working at their craft from sunup to sundown. This is not a case of everyone working 40 hours, and Allen will succeed because he's willing to work 60. What makes people worry is that when you turn on film, or look at stats, Josh Allen has been a mediocre QB, plain and simple. That's a really tough con to look past for a top 7 pick! Have you read what Beane said? He and his staff turned on the film and studied it for a long time. They didn't see a mediocre QB. 1
3rdand12 Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 5 hours ago, Gugny said: Has anyone here tried smoking pastrami or Canadian bacon before? you mean brisket? to make pastrami ? its a process
without a drought Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jeff1954 said: Great conversation. I have some questions please. Allen hasn’t signed yet. If he hasn’t signed by Thursday, does he become a “hold out” from training camp? How are his odds of developing this year and seeing the field affected if he doesn’t fully participate in training camp? Thanks for your answers. If he were to miss any significant time I would get ready for AJ or Nate this season. I don't think this will be the case though.
3rdand12 Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, The Drought said: If he were to miss any significant time I would get ready for AJ or Nate this season. I don't think this will be the case though. I think you better get ready for AJM or Peterman regardless ps like the avatar ! Edited July 24, 2018 by 3rdand12
Shaw66 Posted July 24, 2018 Posted July 24, 2018 1 minute ago, 3rdand12 said: I think you better get ready for AJM or Peterman regardless I'm expecting AJ. McD will want his experience on the field. His defense will keep games close, so McD will want no mistakes. That's AJ. 1
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