Jump to content

[Vague Title] It continues... Josh Allen...


Scorp83

Recommended Posts

36 minutes ago, Scorp83 said:

Hour 1 from Howard & Jeremy this morning on the Football Outsiders write up...(which I've posted the link below).

 

https://app.radio.com/s2OuDBPrGO

 

 

Man... this guy scares me. This write up.... wow.

 

 

 

From the Write Up:

 

"A parody of an NFL quarterback prospect, Allen was abysmal in 2017 en route to not even making an all-Mountain West team. We don't want to say there's absolutely no chance he'll ever be good – he's got a deep ball, he's got some ability to make plays on the run and under pressure – but there is zero empirical evidence to support him becoming a reasonable NFL starting quarterback. And if you thought the excuses for his supporting cast were bad in Wyoming, wait till you see this Bills offense. ... Allen is the battleground that old scouts are going to die on, whether they're right about it or, as all evidence suggests, wrong about it."

 

 

 

[BN] Blitz newsletter: Get your popcorn ready for this Josh Allen take – The Buffalo News
https://buffalonews.com/2018/07/24/josh-allen-take-football-outsiders-bills-almanac-scouts/

 

Please try to stay on topic. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am not one who thinks stats are the way to assess a Quarterback - but Wentz satisfied many more of the analytical data points that some believe suggest franchise QB than Allen does. 

What would that be completion percentage? Otherwise Allen has he same amount of tds (rushing and throwing) same amount of yards and more ints(which is why wentz went 1 and Allen 7). 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Statistical analysis of both on the field performance and athletic measurables would tell you E.J. Manuel should have been a better than average starting quarterback in the league.  This would also be the case for Robert Griffin III, Brandon Weeden, and Mark Sanchez.  Each of these guys was more statistically accurate than Tom Brady in college, did it make them better than him in the NFL?    Matt Ryan is statistically one of the top five most accurate passers of all time and he completed 59.9% of his passes at the college level.   As much as I'd like to have an algorithm for accurately predicting a Franchise Quarterback, it doesn't exist, that is why there are so few of them.   There are way too many variables that go into the output of statistics, especially at a college level.  

 

I would have much preferred Mayfield or Darnold, in fact Allen as the one guy I was dreading the Bills picking.   However, at this point its a wait and see thing.   The only predictor in assessing a quarterbacks ability in the NFL, is actual NFL action.   

  • Like (+1) 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

26 minutes ago, Elite Poster said:

Let it play out. Analytics are reliable, but not 100%. They can't take into account fixing footwork, better coaching, etc. 

 

I'm skeptical on him but I'm not throwing him into the trash before camp even begins. 

 

Agreed - to a point.  

 

Analytics work better in baseball than they do in football.

 

And they work better in the NFL than they do in college.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

In college we once used a piece of a pizza box to “roll” up some weed, we all got very sick. I’m not sure if pastrami will work but definitely don’t use a pizza box. I’d go with the bacon. 

 

As we all know, Canadian Bacon is just another word for "Ham," and I'm not sure if that'll work.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Statistical analysis of both on the field performance and athletic measurables would tell you E.J. Manuel should have been a better than average starting quarterback in the league.  This would also be the case for Robert Griffin III, Brandon Weeden, and Mark Sanchez.  Each of these guys was more statistically accurate than Tom Brady in college, did it make them better than him in the NFL?    Matt Ryan is statistically one of the top five most accurate passers of all time and he completed 59.9% of his passes at the college level.   As much as I'd like to have an algorithm for accurately predicting a Franchise Quarterback, it doesn't exist, that is why there are so few of them.   There are way too many variables that go into the output of statistics, especially at a college level.  

 

I would have much preferred Mayfield or Darnold, in fact Allen as the one guy I was dreading the Bills picking.   However, at this point its a wait and see thing.   The only predictor in assessing a quarterbacks ability in the NFL, is actual NFL action.   

Disagree with the bolded, but otherwise agree with most of what you are saying here.

 

I also agree that at this point, Allen is the guy and now it's time to see what he can do.  

 

The entire story of this training camp is the progression of Allen and if he is going to start Game #1 for the team, or maybe a little bit later. 

 

I am totally opposed to the myths that he needs to "sit and watch" or "be developed behind a veteran QB" and all that sort of thing.

 

He needs to play and play soon.

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

35 minutes ago, RobH063 said:

Mike Trout struck out hundreds of times growing up playing baseball. He made hundreds of errors too. I knew he would never be any good.

The Nee baseball analytics says Yes he would. 

 

Again test Case. If Allen Passes. Old school eye test scouts get the win. If he fails another feather in the analytics cap. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

10 minutes ago, GimmeSomeProcess said:

What would that be completion percentage? Otherwise Allen has he same amount of tds (rushing and throwing) same amount of yards and more ints(which is why wentz went 1 and Allen 7). 

 

Again, I am not defending the analytics stats lovers - I believe in watching tape.  But I believe completion percentage, performance against teams from higher level conferences, turnover %, being a senior etc all that sort of stuff. Again.... I am not defending the people who say you look at statistics and predict who is a franchise QB.  But the people who believe in that would say it was more than just completion %.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Josh Allen is my internal conflict. 

 

The Bills fan in me wants him to succed. But that also empowers the old school thinking. 

 

The Analytics and new way to look at talent fan in me wants him to fail, because success will be the old school thinkers Mountain and well what about case. 

 

 

 

 

Now that said. Go Allen be great. 

Edited by MAJBobby
Link to comment
Share on other sites

22 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

In college we once used a piece of a pizza box to “roll” up some weed, we all got very sick. I’m not sure if pastrami will work but definitely don’t use a pizza box. I’d go with the bacon. 

 

Wtf man use an apple before that s***!

  • Like (+1) 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

38 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

This again? All the pre draft and post draft was all about how there very little evidence he will be good based on prior performance. Can't we just billieve he will be good until we boo him off the field 

...in week 4.  And then start to rationalize why the 5 INTs were a fluke and Peterman can actually be a great QB.

 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

55 minutes ago, Scorp83 said:

We don't want to say there's absolutely no chance he'll ever be good – he's got a deep ball,

 

I'm kind of shocked a writer for Football Outsiders doesn't understand that the deep ball is only like 20% of why arm strength is important. The rest of it is the ability to execute plays in a timing offense to perfection. Take Peterman's last pass in the Jaguars game. He actually threw the ball right on time and arguably made the correct read. But it didn't matter because Jalen Ramsey was able to get to the ball. If Allen makes that exact throw, it wouldn't be an interception. At best Ramsey could have broken up the ball. The ability to throw the ball faster than a defender can catch up to it gives Allen a tremendous edge over other passers. Obviously that alone won't be enough. But anyone who sums up arm strength as "can throw the ball far" is way off the mark.

  • Like (+1) 5
  • Thank you (+1) 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

×
×
  • Create New...