Doc Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 On 7/21/2018 at 12:03 AM, 3rdand12 said: the thing that irked me? he was nearly free money. Even if he only played two downs. McD did not play the business side as well as i might have hoped. he is too much a straight shooter with blinders on. Build up Raglands value for one year or so as two down LB and see how it plays out. run a darned hybrid 3-4 ! did anyone notice Bills could NOT stop the run game at times last year ? Expand Yeah, but that was mostly after Dareus was traded. And the Chefs allowed the same YPR as the Bills last year.
3rdand12 Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 On 7/21/2018 at 12:05 AM, Mr. WEO said: Who knows. The point is the Edmunds is a far better pick than Ragland---who is still struggling to "get there". Expand is that actually the point. we have little to go on , with the T. Edmunds as a pro as we had little to derive from Ragland's preseason, which there was none. or nearly none. lol I had assumed his trade was based upon keen insight into his injury and Bills were lucky to trade him, at the time. now it appears it was purely scheme fit. I have to question that if McD is to become a Coach who reaps the wheat from the chaff
Sky Diver Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 On 7/21/2018 at 12:05 AM, Mr. WEO said: Who knows. The point is the Edmunds is a far better pick than Ragland---who is still struggling to "get there". Expand Not sure how much he is “struggling”. He played in 12 games and started 10. He really came on the last few games. I’m surprised the Bills couldn’t find a role for him.
3rdand12 Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 On 7/21/2018 at 12:08 AM, Doc said: Yeah, but that was mostly after Dareus was traded. And the Chefs allowed the same YPR as the Bills last year. Expand I tend to think it was more than that Doc. But certainly Ragland was not the answer . Brown was always serviceable IMO. Humber ?
Sky Diver Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 On 7/21/2018 at 12:08 AM, Doc said: Yeah, but that was mostly after Dareus was traded. And the Chefs allowed the same YPR as the Bills last year. Expand The Chiefs signed a free agent inside LB to bolster the run defense.
3rdand12 Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 On 7/21/2018 at 12:17 AM, Sky Diver said: Not sure how much he is “struggling”. He played in 12 games and started 10. He really came on the last few games. I’m surprised the Bills couldn’t find a role for him. Expand Edmunds is a generational pick if all goes as planned. Unique physique. and all the tangibles to develop . i would not compare the two. I wonder how they might look together this year in a the 3-4 style. Even Brown was traded for capital. he certainly was working hard. if he had a better line ?? edit I was surprised as well. along with other surprises. such as Robert Woods
Doc Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 The Bills aren't made for a 3-4. That was Rex's biggest mistake. And I don't think he would have unseated Brown at MLB, much less any of the OLB's. It's possible he played poorly in the 4-3 and not even recouped the 5th rounder they got. But we'll never know.
Sky Diver Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) On 7/21/2018 at 12:21 AM, 3rdand12 said: Edmunds is a generational pick if all goes as planned. Unique physique. and all the tangibles to develop . i would not compare the two. I wonder how they might look together this year in a the 3-4 style. Even Brown was traded for capital. he certainly was working hard. if he had a better line ?? Expand I never compared Ragland with Edmunds. That would be foolish. Just challenging that Ragland is struggling. He played very well at the end of the year as he fully healed from the knee injury. His coverage skills may be underrated too. Edited July 21, 2018 by Sky Diver
3rdand12 Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 On 7/21/2018 at 12:08 AM, Doc said: Yeah, but that was mostly after Dareus was traded. And the Chefs allowed the same YPR as the Bills last year. Expand it may be true. but it may have been that McD defensive tactics were not sound On 7/21/2018 at 12:25 AM, Doc said: The Bills aren't made for a 3-4. That was Rex's biggest mistake. And I don't think he would have unseated Brown at MLB, much less any of the OLB's. It's possible he played poorly in the 4-3 and not even recouped the 5th rounder they got. But we'll never know. Expand we talked about moving Brown to strong side. but you are correct, just conjecture and hindsight at this point : ) On 7/21/2018 at 12:25 AM, Sky Diver said: I never compared Ragland with Edmunds. That would be foolish. Just challenging that Ragland is struggling. He played very well at the end of the year as he fully healed from the knee injury. His coverage skills may be underrated too. Expand my apologies
oldmanfan Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 He couldn't break out if third string status when with us. Scheme, health, whatever - he just didn't earn a spot so they traded him. Wish him well.
Sky Diver Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 On 7/21/2018 at 12:58 AM, oldmanfan said: He couldn't break out if third string status when with us. Scheme, health, whatever - he just didn't earn a spot so they traded him. Wish him well. Expand The Chiefs are pretty high on him. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000927855/article/chiefs-gm-brett-veach-reggie-ragland-can-be-a-star%3FnetworkId%3D4595%26site%3D.news%26zone%3Dstory%26zoneUrl%3Durl%3Dstory%26zoneKeys%3Ds1%3Dstory%26env%3D%26pageKeyValues%3Dprtnr%3Daround-the-league%3Bteam%3Dkc%3Bteam%3Dbuf%3Bconf%3Dafc%3Bdvsn%3Dacw%3Bdvsn%3Dace%3Bplyr%3Dreginald_ragland%3Bplyr%3Dpatrick_mahomes%3Bplyr%3Danthony_hitchens%26p.ct%3DAround%2Bthe%2BNFL%26p.adsm%3Dfalse%26p.tcm%3D%23fff%26p.bgc1m%3D%230964bf%26p.bgc2m%3D%23053a74%26sr%3Damp
Doc Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 On 7/21/2018 at 12:51 AM, 3rdand12 said: it may be true. but it may have been that McD defensive tactics were not sound we talked about moving Brown to strong side. but you are correct, just conjecture and hindsight at this point : ) Expand We can play "what if" until the cows come home. All I/we know is how the season turned out and I for one wouldn't change a thing about it. And I was happy with the way the off-season went and if they got their franchise QB in Allen, they killed it.
oldmanfan Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 On 7/21/2018 at 1:03 AM, Sky Diver said: The Chiefs are pretty high on him. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000927855/article/chiefs-gm-brett-veach-reggie-ragland-can-be-a-star%3FnetworkId%3D4595%26site%3D.news%26zone%3Dstory%26zoneUrl%3Durl%3Dstory%26zoneKeys%3Ds1%3Dstory%26env%3D%26pageKeyValues%3Dprtnr%3Daround-the-league%3Bteam%3Dkc%3Bteam%3Dbuf%3Bconf%3Dafc%3Bdvsn%3Dacw%3Bdvsn%3Dace%3Bplyr%3Dreginald_ragland%3Bplyr%3Dpatrick_mahomes%3Bplyr%3Danthony_hitchens%26p.ct%3DAround%2Bthe%2BNFL%26p.adsm%3Dfalse%26p.tcm%3D%23fff%26p.bgc1m%3D%230964bf%26p.bgc2m%3D%23053a74%26sr%3Damp Expand I hope it works out for him. He just didn't show much here for whatever reason. So they moved him.
3rdand12 Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 On 7/21/2018 at 12:58 AM, oldmanfan said: He couldn't break out if third string status when with us. Scheme, health, whatever - he just didn't earn a spot so they traded him. Wish him well. Expand he never played a down? he was injured
Sky Diver Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 On 7/21/2018 at 1:19 AM, 3rdand12 said: he never played a down? he was injured Expand KC sat him until the 5th game to give him time to recover from his knee injury. We had no patience.
3rdand12 Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 On 7/21/2018 at 1:04 AM, Doc said: We can play "what if" until the cows come home. All I/we know is how the season turned out and I for one wouldn't change a thing about it. And I was happy with the way the off-season went and if they got their franchise QB in Allen, they killed it. Expand no argument there. i am not really a what if type anyways. we are what we are I am what i ams and that's all that i ams Says Popeye the Sailor Man toot toot ! On 7/21/2018 at 1:21 AM, Sky Diver said: KC sat him until the 5th game to give him time to recover from his knee injury. We had no patience. Expand I did not know that. Perhaps that was the main reason why he was let go. Availability is a mantra these days at OBD.
Bing Bong Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 On 7/20/2018 at 11:15 PM, NoSaint said: Or a schwartz style 43 scheme where mlb is a run stuffer instead of sideline to sideline Expand Brandon spikes role
Beast Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 On 7/20/2018 at 11:30 PM, Aussie Joe said: They paid too high a price to draft him ( a 2nd and two fourths) and then gave him away too cheap... That is a typical Buffalo Bills story... Expand So, you are saying they should have kept him even though he didn’t fit the scheme? Interesting.
Sky Diver Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 On 7/21/2018 at 1:28 AM, PetermanThrew5Picks said: Brandon spikes role Expand No. He can be a 3 down player in the right scheme.
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