DC Tom Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 10 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: Never been embedded with Antifa but have sympathy to any organization whose sole mission is to oppose hatred like the white nationalists of the U.S. espouse. I suggest you read Mein Kampf to better understand the role of capitalism’s merger with fascism. I suspect you are well versed in the adage “accuse the other side that of which you are guilty of.” But doesn't reading Mein Kampf make me a Nazi? FYI, I just read it last week. For the fourth time. (My copy's getting rather dog-eared.) But anyway...the reason I suggest Evans is that his three-volume study goes in to significant detail on the political, social, and economic mechanics of the takeover of Germany by the Nazis once they were the largest party in the Reichstag. It was startlingly like modern Democratic policies towards governance, rather than the current crop of Republicans. You don't see, for one example, Republicans trying to amalgamate union representation at a federal level and ram the responsibility for social reforms down industry's throats like the DAF did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Read MK in the 90s, man he had some psychosexual disorders matched only by our current media Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 22, 2018 Author Share Posted July 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, row_33 said: Read MK in the 90s, man he had some psychosexual disorders matched only by our current media ED? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, Wacka said: Helping corporate profits helps the people because people are shareholders. If ypuhave a 401K, you are a shareholder. I want my401K to grow. The richest 10% of Americans own 84% of all stocks. Furthermore most of the Trump tax cut has led corporations to invest their additional income in stock buybacks, to further increase executive compensation. By buying back shares they aren’t investing in new plant and equipment, hiring more workers or increasing wages. Real wages when adjusted for inflation are holding at 2.7%. Inflation at 2% means about a 0.08 increase in average hourly worker take home pay. The stock market is trading at all time highs when looking at price to earnings ratios. You also have real estate bubbles that have popped up all over the country even in metro areas like Buffalo. Trump has also put himself in a bind if the market turns south. We’ve had 9 years without a recession. With tariffs starting to impact inflation and interest rates going up to thwart inflation we are moving towards the next recession. Edited July 22, 2018 by Dr.Sack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: The richest 10% of Americans own 84% of all stocks. And 54% of Americans own stocks, and some 75% of families. Lies, damned lies, and statistics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 3 hours ago, DC Tom said: And 54% of Americans own stocks, and some 75% of families. Lies, damned lies, and statistics. These statistics help explain the rise of Trump & the progressive left movement, no? Or are you in the camp of explaining away the rise of populism to racism, sexism, & xenophobia on the right and left? If so how CNN & MSNBC of you. To rephrase, are you honestly are arguing that declining wages, economic stagnation have zero correlation to populism seen in today’s politics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 5 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: These statistics help explain the rise of Trump & the progressive left movement, no? Or are you in the camp of explaining away the rise of populism to racism, sexism, & xenophobia on the right and left? If so how CNN & MSNBC of you. To rephrase, are you honestly are arguing that declining wages, economic stagnation have zero correlation to populism seen in today’s politics? But, but, but you just argued that we had 8 years without a recession. You’re not happy with that? Now that the economy is expanding and a recession is entirely predictable you want to run for cover? Also, what about the racist quotes from the two giants of the Senate and beyond? No opinion on them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 6 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: To rephrase, are you honestly are arguing that declining wages, economic stagnation have zero correlation to populism seen in today’s politics? It's a big part of it. You had two politicians (Trump and Sanders) offer simplified versions of how to improve our economy that can only resonate when you have a disdain for the Washington establishment club. Both came across as non-elitist politicians who were authentic. Sanders message was more for increasing the national minimum wage, taxing the rich, and giving more power to worker unions while Trump was more anti trade and keeping the illegals out. Sanders just didn't have the killer instinct Trump did when it came to dealing with the Clinton machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 On 7/21/2018 at 4:35 PM, billsfan89 said: I think the focus should be more on growing the middle class so that you have a larger tax base and fewer people not making enough money to pay income tax. Even if you had a 15% base tax that was flat and had no deductions (for sake of simplicity) you would still find it very easy to push a populist agenda promising free stuff. If I make 20k a year, 15% of that is 3k. If you promise those workers more than 3k worth of benefits then they will still vote for the populist. Whereas if you invested money in infrastructure programs everyone wins. Working class people get jobs, that helps the need for consumer demand, infrastructure is heavily improved which makes transporting people and good easier that helps the economy grow overall and there becomes a positive effect overall in quality of life as commutes are shortened and overall places become better. If you cut out the massive amounts of spending needed to do a flat tax the damage to the economy is insane and the needs of the economy for infrastructure, research, education, jobs training and economic development will not be met. Massive tax cuts failed to stimulate the Kansas economy as rich people can only consume so much and the idea of putting money back into the hands of the investor class so that they can invest more sounds good but it fails on two accounts. 1- A lot of investments are overseas, giving rich people a lot of money to invest is no doubt going to flush a good chuck of that overseas due to technology and investment opportunities in emerging markets any investor is going to properly be investing a chunk of their money outside of the US. 2- The biggest issue with the economy is consumer demand. Corporations are flushed with capital, investors are flushed with capital and profits are at all-time highs even adjusted for inflation. There just isn't the consumer demand from the middle class as there was in past decades. That lack of demand results in there being less for companies to invest in. Flushing the rich and corporations with cash does nothing to solve this. That's my take on it if philosophically you think there should be a flat tax rate for the sake of ethics. I can't argue with you, but I just don't see that working out in a pragmatic sense. You are not going to grow the middle class by raising taxes on those who provide the jobs that create the middle class. Infrastructure programs are a feel good measure that don't have a correlation to long term economic development. If you want to see capitalism's effect on economic growth, look at Trump's first 18 months as he obliterated Obama's business obstructions and red tape. Of course, don't look at his economic policies now, which could not only undo all the good things he's built, but make matters far worse than Obama's years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 9 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: These statistics help explain the rise of Trump & the progressive left movement, no? Or are you in the camp of explaining away the rise of populism to racism, sexism, & xenophobia on the right and left? If so how CNN & MSNBC of you. To rephrase, are you honestly are arguing that declining wages, economic stagnation have zero correlation to populism seen in today’s politics? I'm arguing that your argument of taking one number in isolation from everything else is manipulative socialist bull ****. Lies, damned lies, and statistics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Sanders just didn't have the killer instinct Trump did when it came to dealing with the Clinton machine. Trump didn't have to compete with Diane Schultz for the nomination. But you are right. Not caring about Hillary's "damn emails" was a mistake for sure though. Edited July 23, 2018 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 6 hours ago, DC Tom said: I'm arguing that your argument of taking one number in isolation from everything else is manipulative socialist bull ****. Lies, damned lies, and statistics. A few numbers such as median wages, and average wages, over the past 4 decades are extremely important in a political climate where jobs & wages took precedent. The economic data whether acknowledged by the establishment or not gives my argument credence. And economic Populism whether you acknowledge it or not played a central role in Trump winning, and Sanders proving to be more of a challenge than HRC ever expected. “When I was campaigning, I was talking about 18 and 20 years (when) wages effectively went down. Now, for the first time in a long time, they're starting to go up for people." Donald Trump on Thursday, March 8th, 2018 in remarks before a Cabinet meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 1 hour ago, reddogblitz said: But you are right. Not caring about Hillary's "damn emails" was a mistake for sure though. When Bernie made that comment he had no intention of winning the nomination. Hiliary was inevitable. Nobody presented a serious challenge to HRC in the primary and the general election was all over except for the voting. Bernie was running for the hell of it and to move the Democrat platform to the left. What Bernie, the early Democrat drop outs, and the DNC all failed to grasp was just how terrible a candidate Hiliary Clinton would turn out to be 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaDexter Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Did Hillary win the raw vote total in Iowa?? A: No Bernie should have started 2-0 with wins in NH and Iowa, which would have resulted in a downpour of money and coverage. It didn't happen, because despite winning Iowa, Bernie "lost" the "caucus" because DWS cheated.... and that's the funniest part of the Dem whining about Russia = hey, your primary was COMPLETELY RIGGED.... so SHUT UP until YOU FIX THAT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, /dev/null said: When Bernie made that comment he had no intention of winning the nomination. Hiliary was inevitable. Nobody presented a serious challenge to HRC in the primary and the general election was all over except for the voting. Bernie was running for the hell of it and to move the Democrat platform to the left. What Bernie, the early Democrat drop outs, and the DNC all failed to grasp was just how terrible a candidate Hiliary Clinton would turn out to be I found it fishy from the very beginning. A D hasn't been able to run for president for 8 years. Yet All they could come up with was Hillary, Bernie, (a token too liberal whack job with no chance), and Martin O'Malley whoever he is. Really ?? Doesn't even pass the smell test. Edited July 24, 2018 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaDexter Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Joe Biden CHICKENED OUT.... LOL!!!! So did Jerry Springer about running for Ohio Gov.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 4 hours ago, reddogblitz said: I found it fishy from the very beginning. A D hasn't been able to run for president for 8 years. Yet All they could come up with was Hillary, Bernie, (a token too liberal whack job with no chance), and Martin O'Malley whoever he is. Really ?? Doesn't even pass the smell test. That's not surprising, really. If you had to come up with a list of truths about the Democratic Party, high on the list is the simple truth that Dems believe they know what is best for everyone. Only the government can help you, and fix you, and save you from yourself and all the ills and unfairness of a world that is tilted against you from the start. It should surprise precisely no one that they similarly believe they know who your best candidate would be, and then thrust that candidate on the party, even to the extent that it's blatantly embarrassing. And then, when they get their ass handed to them by a candied yam like Trump, they do the other thing high on the list of truths about Dems: they blame someone else. Obama did it for eight years, and Hillary has been doing it her entire life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 ...............That pile of cash is the Venezuelan equivalent of one US dollar. Behold the power of socialism. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PearlHowardman Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 On 7/17/2018 at 9:23 AM, 3rdnlng said: She's been hyped by no less than the DNC leadership as the future of the Democrat Party. https://nypost.com/2018/07/17/ocasio-cortez-ignites-controversy-with-comments-on-israeli-occupation/ Democratic congressional candidate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez caused controversy in a recent interview when she said America wasn’t founded on capitalism and called Israel an “occupation” force over the Palestinian territories. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Interviewer Margaret Hoover immediately sought clarification on Ocasio-Cortez’s use of the hot-button word “occupation.” “Oh I think — what I meant is like the settlements that are increasing in some of these areas and places where Palestinians are experiencing difficulty in access to their housing and homes,” said Ocasio-Cortez. She chuckled and tried to laugh off her blunder. “I am not the expert on geopolitics on this issue,” she said. “I just look at things through a human rights lens and I may not use the right words … Middle Eastern politics is not exactly at my kitchen table every night.” ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Earlier in the show, Ocasio-Cortez was asked about the modern economy, and she predicted that capitalism would come to an end someday. She also claimed the United States didn’t have capitalist roots. “Capitalism has not always existed in the world and it will not always exist in the world,” said Ocasio-Cortez. “When this country started … we did not operate on a capitalist economy.” Fake news? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 25, 2018 Author Share Posted July 25, 2018 19 minutes ago, PearlHowardman said: Fake news? Listen to the tape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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