Dr.Sack Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) On 7/20/2018 at 10:39 AM, keepthefaith said: Most in the bottom 50% of workers are there because they deserve to be. They've not done what they can to do better financially. When you really look at our population objectively, we have a huge portion that are lazy and have not taken best advantage of educational and other opportunities. Many people are just not motivated or willing to act on motivation to do better. They get comfortable in the financial struggle and just find ways to stay there or they continue to make the mistakes in their work that keep them there. And some people candidly are happy there. I think the reason we haven’t seen wage increases tied to worker productivity is the reason we have populist insurections on the left & right. But you can’t argue the basic facts that this populist era is mainly due to economic malaise for the average worker. Edited July 21, 2018 by Dr.Sack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 1 minute ago, GG said: And you keep missing the bigger point. As more and more people don't pay ANY income tax, it's a lot easier to push populist platforms that promise them more free stuff. There's zero incentive for them to vote no on those proposals, which eventually will lead to a fiscal disaster. Everyone should have skin in the game, and the minimum income based tax should be 15%. I think the focus should be more on growing the middle class so that you have a larger tax base and fewer people not making enough money to pay income tax. Even if you had a 15% base tax that was flat and had no deductions (for sake of simplicity) you would still find it very easy to push a populist agenda promising free stuff. If I make 20k a year, 15% of that is 3k. If you promise those workers more than 3k worth of benefits then they will still vote for the populist. Whereas if you invested money in infrastructure programs everyone wins. Working class people get jobs, that helps the need for consumer demand, infrastructure is heavily improved which makes transporting people and good easier that helps the economy grow overall and there becomes a positive effect overall in quality of life as commutes are shortened and overall places become better. If you cut out the massive amounts of spending needed to do a flat tax the damage to the economy is insane and the needs of the economy for infrastructure, research, education, jobs training and economic development will not be met. Massive tax cuts failed to stimulate the Kansas economy as rich people can only consume so much and the idea of putting money back into the hands of the investor class so that they can invest more sounds good but it fails on two accounts. 1- A lot of investments are overseas, giving rich people a lot of money to invest is no doubt going to flush a good chuck of that overseas due to technology and investment opportunities in emerging markets any investor is going to properly be investing a chunk of their money outside of the US. 2- The biggest issue with the economy is consumer demand. Corporations are flushed with capital, investors are flushed with capital and profits are at all-time highs even adjusted for inflation. There just isn't the consumer demand from the middle class as there was in past decades. That lack of demand results in there being less for companies to invest in. Flushing the rich and corporations with cash does nothing to solve this. That's my take on it if philosophically you think there should be a flat tax rate for the sake of ethics. I can't argue with you, but I just don't see that working out in a pragmatic sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly101 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, RaoulDuke79 said: Well you have Nazi Republicans and Socialist Democrats......you tend to get !@#$s when you swing too far either way. There's such a thing? not sure anyone or any group can be compared to 'nazis' unless they are mass killers of Jews.... Closest that fits the nazi title would be democrats, who dream of a socialist government. They already have their brown shirt 'antifas'. Heck, it could be argued that if you take away the whole fetuses aren't people explanation, they may actually be much closer to being true nazis.... Edited July 21, 2018 by Kelly101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Kelly101 said: There's such a thing? not sure anyone or any group can be compared to 'nazis' unless they are mass killers of Jews.... Closest that fits the nazi title would be democrats, who dream of a socialist government. They already have their brown shirt 'antifas'. Heck, it could be argued that if you take away the whole fetuses aren't people explanation, they may actually be much closer to being true nazis.... SMH...this guy who forgets about the white nationalists last summer in Charlottesville chanting “Jews will not replace us.” The same group who killed a peaceful protestor. So far thats alt-right 1, Antifascists 0 in the body count. Edited July 21, 2018 by Dr.Sack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: SMH...this guy who forgets about the white nationalists last summer in Charlottesville chanting “Jews will not replace us.” The same group who killed a peaceful protestor. So far thats alt-right 1, Antifascists 0 in the body count. Antifa really needs to up their game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly101 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: SMH...this guy who forgets about the white nationalists last summer in Charlottesville chanting “Jews will not replace us.” The same group who killed a peaceful protestor. So far thats alt-right 1, Antifascists 0 in the body count. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA All i can do is laugh at the left, there's nothing left to say at all. As usual the whole point of my post soared so far over your head. prolly another one of tibs aliases anyways. dont you have some upvotes on your other alias you to get to. Edited July 21, 2018 by Kelly101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Antifa really needs to up their game. We will leave the killing to Nazis. As Trump said “there’s fine people. On both sides.” Trump & the Republicans can’t even come up with a healthcare plan outside of stripping away preexisting conditions coverage from the Heritage Foundation conceived ACA. Time for Medicare-for-All with expanded coverage eliminating the donut hole & providing long-term care insurance, while eliminating Medicaid & consolidating it with Medicare. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly101 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: We will leave the killing to Nazis. As Trump said “there’s fine people. On both sides.” Instead of whining about the best country in the world, you should be making travel arrangements to move somewhere else, better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Kelly101 said: Instead of whining about the best country in the world, you should be making travel arrangements to move somewhere else, better. I love our country so much I want to help everyone get access to world class healthcare. Meanwhile you think the status quo of 35 million without healthcare & 47,000 people a year who die due to lack of coverage is fine. I say it’s not. You are also cool with spending $700 Billion on the defense/offensive military at a time when Russia spends $65 Billion a year. You love the $7 Trillion spent on war in Iraq & Afghanistan too. Imagine what that money could have done having been spent domestically rebuilding our D grade infrastructure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly101 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Just now, Dr.Sack said: I love our country so much I want to help everyone get access to world class healthcare. Meanwhile you think the status quo of 35 million without healthcare & 47,000 people a year who die due to lack of coverage is fine. I say it’s not. You are also cool with spending $700 Billion on the defense/offensive military at a time when Russia spends $65 Billion a year. You love the $7 Trillion spent on war in Iraq & Afghanistan too. Imagine what that money could have done having been spent domestically rebuilding our D grade infrastructure. there we go a lefty mind reader has just convicted me of a whole bunch of thought crimes. I thought healthcare was resolved by the last guy, your savior? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Kelly101 said: there we go a lefty mind reader has just convicted me of a whole bunch of thought crimes. I thought healthcare was resolved by the last guy, your savior? Obama?!?!? The NeoLiberal? As he said, he governed as a moderate Republican. Obama and the Clinton Neoliberals got in bed with Wall Street, Big Insurance & Big Pharma to strip out the only progressive idea in the ACA, the single-payer public option. Obama was an absolute failure and deserved to lose Congress in 2010. He campaigned rhetorically as a Progressive but turned into a Clinton Third-Way Democrat about 5 minutes into his Administration. Could have done amnesty, single-payer, broken up the banks, but he caved like every weak NeoLiberal Corporate Democrat since Jimmy Carter. Edited July 21, 2018 by Dr.Sack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly101 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Dr.Sack said: Obama?!?!? The NeoLiberal? As he said, he governed as a moderate Republican. Obama and the Clinton Neoliberals got in bed with Wall Street, Big Insurance & Big Pharma to strip out the only progressive idea in the ACA, the single-payer public option. Obama was an absolute failure and deserved to lose Congress in 2010. He campaigned rhetorically as a Progressive but turned into a Clinton Third-Way Democrat about 5 minutes into his Administration. Could have done amnesty, single-payer, broken up the banks, but he caved like every weak NeoLiberal Corporate Democrat since Jimmy Carter. I was about to give up on you but i can't argue with you here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Yes, Obama was the perfect definition of a republican...... are we on Candid Camera????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 48 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: We will leave the killing to Nazis. You object to killing Nazis? How tolerant of you. Traditionally, Antifa not only embraces violence as a moral necessity of combating fascism, but was founded on it, back in the 1930s by the KPD and Comintern. Don't be a hypocrite. Embrace your organization, and kill Nazis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 11 minutes ago, DC Tom said: You object to killing Nazis? How tolerant of you. Traditionally, Antifa not only embraces violence as a moral necessity of combating fascism, but was founded on it, back in the 1930s by the KPD and Comintern. Don't be a hypocrite. Embrace your organization, and kill Nazis. Or better yet, what are you doing about the orange Hitler residing on Pennsylvania Ave? You pussies would NEVER hold HIM accountable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 1 hour ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said: Or better yet, what are you doing about the orange Hitler residing on Pennsylvania Ave? You pussies would NEVER hold HIM accountable! Orange Hitler is a communist puppet! [/Antifa] 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Kelly101 said: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA All i can do is laugh at the left, there's nothing left to say at all. As usual the whole point of my post soared so far over your head. prolly another one of tibs aliases anyways. dont you have some upvotes on your other alias you to get to. On the bright side, the left is well on their way to making sure that the label "Nazi" has just as much meaning as their last battle cry of "racist". When everyone's a Nazi racist, no one is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, DC Tom said: You object to killing Nazis? How tolerant of you. Traditionally, Antifa not only embraces violence as a moral necessity of combating fascism, but was founded on it, back in the 1930s by the KPD and Comintern. Don't be a hypocrite. Embrace your organization, and kill Nazis. I’ll let our courts try them. Although we’ve suspended habeas corpus & could theoretically send these terrorists to Club Gitmo where they can undergo ‘enhanced interrogation’. Edited July 22, 2018 by Dr.Sack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: I’ll let our courts try them. Although we’ve suspended habeas corpus & could theoretically send these terrorists to Club Gitmo where they can undergo ‘enhanced interrogation’. Was it okay for Lincoln to suspend habeas corpus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: I’ll let our courts try them. Although we’ve suspended habeas corpus & could theoretically send these terrorists to Club Gitmo where they can undergo ‘enhanced interrogation’. So far the courts are giving Trump every win. Soooo, your side is losing. Bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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