Sky Diver Posted July 18, 2018 Author Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) On 7/18/2018 at 4:52 PM, North Buffalo said: oh that last part is true. And the first part is because of the TV contracts these guys have now. Gotta be the reason for the change. Part of the argument to pay these guys now. Jeez the money is insane. Still http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/ Shows AL Athletics received $6 mil in fees but only tranferred back $5+ back and ran a deficit. Expand I’m not sure where you are getting that from the info provided, but I’m an engineer, not an accountant. More details on the athletic budget here: https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2018/01/alabama_footballs_piece_of_174.html As a numbers guy, you might be interested in this article. College sports is a big business. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/07/sports/ncaafootball/alabama-crimson-tide-football-marketing.html Edited July 18, 2018 by Sky Diver Quote
North Buffalo Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 just click on the starred expense difference from USAToday... doesn’t say where all the money went despite the so called profit Quote
Bill from NYC Posted July 19, 2018 Posted July 19, 2018 On 7/18/2018 at 3:56 AM, Sky Diver said: What a load of crap. You should probably be watching figure skating or synchronized swimming rather than football. It would cause you less heartburn. Expand He is taking it personal because his team is certainly a bunch of losers and Coach Saban and the Crimson Tide are consistently great. Could you imagine just how depressing Saturdays are, and soon will be for him once again? 1 Quote
Cynical Posted July 19, 2018 Posted July 19, 2018 On 7/18/2018 at 9:38 AM, dollars 2 donuts said: This is all the result of the money the ncaa makes on the backs of these student athletes. Why not make the ncaa a not for profit, or better yet change their by-laws to have them divest themselves of all but a small bit of profits with the rest to go back to education and schools that need it or even charities that help students or student athletes? Expand The NCAA is already a non-profit organization. Quote
dollars 2 donuts Posted July 20, 2018 Posted July 20, 2018 On 7/19/2018 at 10:35 PM, Cynical said: The NCAA is already a non-profit organization. Expand Man-o-man, cynical, they sure fooled me! 1 Quote
Walking Tall Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 On 7/16/2018 at 11:10 PM, SoCal Deek said: So all the other student athletes, toiling away in the weight room, at practice, risking injury, traveling during Break, and competing in their sports at the NCAA level while still going to class, etc. get what exactly? Expand A free education. If the players are not starters should they pay full tuition? What, exactly, are colleges getting out of bench warmers? On 7/17/2018 at 3:30 AM, Fadingpain said: Ditch the whole damned system and set up a proper professional minor league for football. That will never happen, but it should. Expand So, draft kids out of high school? Imagine the bust rate of that. LOL Quote
Sky Diver Posted July 21, 2018 Author Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) With some schools charging up to $65K -$70K/yr, free tution and room/board can be worth over a quarter million dollars. Edited July 21, 2018 by Sky Diver Quote
NoSaint Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 On 7/21/2018 at 12:38 AM, Sky Diver said: With some schools charging up to $65K -$70K/yr, free tution and room/board can be worth over a quarter million dollars. Expand And costs schools nearly nothing to offer Quote
row_33 Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 On 7/18/2018 at 1:59 PM, North Buffalo said: PS Atheletic departments especially football waste more money then they bring in and cover it up with misc student fees. Make them run them like a true business and we will see how many declare bankruptcy. Expand Thought I read that the vast majority of Division 1 football loses huge money and many would love to scrap the football program inmediately. get this blight off campus and have a real place of thinking and learning and safety. Quote
Sky Diver Posted July 21, 2018 Author Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) On 7/21/2018 at 2:32 AM, NoSaint said: And costs schools nearly nothing to offer Expand How’s that? If it cost nothing to educate, house and feed students, a lot of kids are getting ripped off. Edited July 21, 2018 by Sky Diver 1 Quote
North Buffalo Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) On 7/21/2018 at 12:25 AM, Binghamton Beast said: A free education. If the players are not starters should they pay full tuition? What, exactly, are colleges getting out of bench warmers? So, draft kids out of high school? Imagine the bust rate of that. LOL Expand The time committment for being a division 1 athlete and a real scholar causes a situation that is rare that it can happen very successfully or without a lot of help. It definetly is a choice, but dont confuse a student athlete with a scholar. On 7/18/2018 at 12:40 AM, Sky Diver said: How about rich, frat boys? How about SJW types? How about Asian students? Do you honestly think that different demographic groups don’t cluster? What coach doesn’t have control over his players? Only a very callous individual doesn’t care about his players. I don’t see Saban as that type. Expand Not Diii coaches... My cousin Sam received D1 full boat offers from Duke and UNC for basketball, turned them both down along with four other freshman D1 basketball recruits. They went to Wesleyan in CT on academic scholarships. Started winning beating no 1 D3 team in nation and coach wanted them to practice. They threatened to quit because that wasnt what they were there for. If they wanted to practice they could have gone D1. Needless to say coach backed off. See the difference in power relationships. Edited July 21, 2018 by North Buffalo Quote
Sky Diver Posted July 21, 2018 Author Posted July 21, 2018 I know all about power relationships. I have worked for someone for the last 35 years. I disagree that you can’t be a scholar and an athlete. Most “academic” scholarships have a financial aid component. I make enough money that my kids didn’t qualify for financial aid, but not enough that I could cut a check for $60K to $70K/yr. Hence we focused on schools that offered guaranteed merit scholarships. Sadly, there are very few left. Quote
KD in CA Posted July 23, 2018 Posted July 23, 2018 (edited) On 7/18/2018 at 4:03 PM, Sky Diver said: Barrett Jones was a stellar player and student at Alabama. He earned an accounting degree, Summa Cum Laude and I believe that he also earned a Master's at UA in accounting, again with a 4.0 GPA. Anyway, he hurt his foot in the SEC Championship. Doctor's advised him not to play in the National Championship, but he insisted on playing anyway. They provided him with every accommodation possible to fulfill his desire to play. https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/07/19/nfl-alabama-draft-nick-saban-salary-marquis-johnson-nico-johnson-barrett-jones Again, this story doesn't fit the exploitation narrative. Expand I don't really understand the point of that story. How exactly does Jones' life change if he is paid some small fraction of say a $20m profit? He's one guy out of what, 90 or so? Plus a bunch of other students who contribute to the program. So even if we suppose Jones had been paid a few hundred thousand dollars (before taxes), does that really change his life? Isn't having an accounting degree w/ a 4.0 average worth far more? I think the 'pay college athletes' crowd has this perception that guys would/should be earning millions and millions of dollars. On 7/21/2018 at 2:27 PM, row_33 said: Thought I read that the vast majority of Division 1 football loses huge money and many would love to scrap the football program inmediately. get this blight off campus and have a real place of thinking and learning and safety. Expand That's the only real 'fix' possible. Make all athletics of the 'club' variety; tell the NFL and NBA to sort out their own minor leagues. Edited July 23, 2018 by KD in CA Quote
Sky Diver Posted July 23, 2018 Author Posted July 23, 2018 (edited) On 7/23/2018 at 12:45 AM, KD in CA said: I don't really understand the point of that story. How exactly does Jones' life change if he is paid some small fraction of say a $20m profit? He's one guy out of what, 90 or so? Plus a bunch of other students who contribute to the program. So even if we suppose Jones had been paid a few hundred thousand dollars (before taxes), does that really change his life? Isn't having an accounting degree w/ a 4.0 average worth far more? I think the 'pay college athletes' crowd has this perception that guys would/should be earning millions and millions of dollars. That's the only real 'fix' possible. Make all athletics of the 'club' variety; tell the NFL and NBA to sort out their own minor leagues. Expand The point of the story was to challenge the conception that college football players are exploited. Jones got two accounting degrees for free playing a game he loves and is well established for life after football. When he was injured, he got world class medical care. If some players don’t take advantage of the opportunity to get an education, it’s their fault. Edited July 23, 2018 by Sky Diver Quote
KD in CA Posted July 23, 2018 Posted July 23, 2018 On 7/23/2018 at 1:01 AM, Sky Diver said: The point of the story was to challenge the conception that college football players are exploited. Jones got two accounting degrees for free playing a game he loves and is well established for life after football. When he was injured, he got world class medical care. If some players don’t take advantage of the opportunity to get an education, it’s their fault. Expand I completely agree with that. I only read that exerpt but from the tone of the thread though we were going in the other direction. 1 Quote
North Buffalo Posted July 23, 2018 Posted July 23, 2018 My objection it is their fault... barring injury or just not good enough talent, scholarship can be rescinded. If they are going to do this then make all athletic scholarships 4 years guaranteed. Would also diversify the glut of the haves and have nots. Quote
iinii Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 Pay them. College football is a farce. It is a grand spectacle put on to make millions for the school. The players are exploited and left hung out to dry. Many could never qualify for the schools they “attend”, so the thought they are getting an education is a bit disingenuous. Quote
row_33 Posted August 3, 2018 Posted August 3, 2018 On 8/3/2018 at 3:16 PM, iinii said: Pay them. College football is a farce. It is a grand spectacle put on to make millions for the school. The players are exploited and left hung out to dry. Many could never qualify for the schools they “attend”, so the thought they are getting an education is a bit disingenuous. Expand you can't just pay them, you have to pay everyone that is an athlete if you do. Quote
iinii Posted August 4, 2018 Posted August 4, 2018 On 8/3/2018 at 3:41 PM, row_33 said: you can't just pay them, you have to pay everyone that is an athlete if you do. Expand Pay them all then. Quote
row_33 Posted August 4, 2018 Posted August 4, 2018 On 8/4/2018 at 6:28 AM, iinii said: Pay them all then. Expand So the star of the top football team gets the same payment as the worst player on the worst NCAA tennis team? Quote
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