TheElectricCompany Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Doc said: I’d rather the Bills identify their own Bell in the second round of next year’s draft. If there is a prospect out there that can generate 1800+ rushing and receiving yards annually, he'll go in the top 5.
YoloinOhio Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said: If there is a prospect out there that can generate 1800+ rushing and receiving yards annually, he'll go in the top 5. Yeah I think it’s relatively rare to have a legit running/receiving threat with proven production in both in the draft which is why Barkley went so high. Now David Johnson did go in the 3rd, but I think that was due to him playing against lesser competition. Edited July 17, 2018 by YoloinOhio
Royale with Cheese Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 No.... 1 hour ago, Doc said: I’d rather the Bills identify their own Bell in the second round of next year’s draft. That's where I'm at. I think another pass rusher or two, right tackle and WR should be the majority of the focus next year. 1
Luxy312 Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Yeah I think it’s relatively rare to have a legit running/receiving threat with proven production in both in the draft which is why Barkley went so high. Now David Johnson did go in the 3rd, but I think that was due to him playing against lesser competition. Don't forget Alvin Kamara last year was the same thing. I think the guy had 80+ receptions. It feels to me like the NFL is entering a new norm where teams have multiple guys that run the ball, but that RB's are a lot more involved in the receiving game. I might be wrong, and will say that I have not looked at the historical statistics on this.
TheElectricCompany Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, Luxy312 said: Don't forget Alvin Kamara last year was the same thing. I think the guy had 80+ receptions. It feels to me like the NFL is entering a new norm where teams have multiple guys that run the ball, but that RB's are a lot more involved in the receiving game. I might be wrong, and will say that I have not looked at the historical statistics on this. HOF QB and a top 10 offensive line always helps. Kamara and Ingram compliment each other really well. We have been spoiled by players like Kamara, Hunt, Johnson and Jordan Howard, but teams are still doing really well drafting RBs high. Fournette, Elliot, Gurley have all excelled and are a critical reason those teams had winning records. Barkley should be in that class real soon. Considering how depressed the RB market is, it's crazy that more teams aren't investing in that area. Two Pro Bowl WRs will cost you $25-$35m. Two Pro Bowl RBs could be had for $15m.
Luxy312 Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 26 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said: HOF QB and a top 10 offensive line always helps. Kamara and Ingram compliment each other really well. We have been spoiled by players like Kamara, Hunt, Johnson and Jordan Howard, but teams are still doing really well drafting RBs high. Fournette, Elliot, Gurley have all excelled and are a critical reason those teams had winning records. Barkley should be in that class real soon. Considering how depressed the RB market is, it's crazy that more teams aren't investing in that area. Two Pro Bowl WRs will cost you $25-$35m. Two Pro Bowl RBs could be had for $15m. Kamara to Ingram: "That's a really sharp teal suit that you have there". Ingram to Kamara: "I like the new haircut....are those new shoes?"
H2o Posted July 17, 2018 Author Posted July 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Luxy312 said: Kamara to Ingram: "That's a really sharp teal suit that you have there". Ingram to Kamara: "I like the new haircut....are those new shoes?" Kamara to Ingram: "Yeah, they're shoes that only non-PED using RB's are allowed to don. Sorry bro."
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 Haha, this would be such a Bills move. Pay $20 million/ year for a rb in a passing league who is one strike away from a year long suspension. i always favor the players getting every cent they can. But because of his position and suspensions, Bell has no leverage. He is probsbly going to lose a lot of money by not signing that deal. Pittsburgh might have the most talented roster but guys like Bell and Brown are completely selfish (I don’t fully blame them) and it is hurting them.
Doc Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Haha, this would be such a Bills move. Pay $20 million/ year for a rb in a passing league who is one strike away from a year long suspension. i always favor the players getting every cent they can. But because of his position and suspensions, Bell has no leverage. He is probsbly going to lose a lot of money by not signing that deal. Pittsburgh might have the most talented roster but guys like Bell and Brown are completely selfish (I don’t fully blame them) and it is hurting them. Kind of an odd statement, considering the Bills haven't paid a non-QB offensive player more than $8M/year, well, ever. 1
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 Just now, Doc said: Kind of an odd statement, considering the Bills haven't paid a non-QB offensive player more than $8M/year, well, ever. It was hyperbole but given what Bell wants, it may not be that far off.
Doc Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: It was hyperbole but given what Bell wants, it may not be that far off. First-off, let me correct a mistake. Glenn got $12M/year, but he's the only player outside of QB to get anything over $8M/year. As for Bell, he can ask for what he wants. Whether he gets it is anyone's guess, but it won't be from the Bills and probably not from anyone else either.
Doc Brown Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 You don't overpay for RB's in today's NFL. You either have a RB by committee to keep fresh legs out there or take advantage of the rookie wage scale by drafting a stud RB (Gurley, Elliott, Hunt). QB's, OL, and WR should be your priority on offense when it comes to a 2nd contract or free agency. Bell is taking a risk given his injury history and he'll be 27 at this time next year. Best of luck to him, but I don't see Beane overpaying for a RB.
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 17 minutes ago, Doc said: First-off, let me correct a mistake. Glenn got $12M/year, but he's the only player outside of QB to get anything over $8M/year. As for Bell, he can ask for what he wants. Whether he gets it is anyone's guess, but it won't be from the Bills and probably not from anyone else either. I don’t think so either but this new regime seems to have an outdated view of football given the 8 fullbacks, 20 rbs, and 65 slot receivers they have brought on (hyperbole!).
billsfan_34 Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 On 7/16/2018 at 4:48 PM, TheElectricCompany said: For 2 years and 32M, sure! Sorry- no RB has that kind of value in the NFL
Doc Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I don’t think so either but this new regime seems to have an outdated view of football given the 8 fullbacks, 20 rbs, and 65 slot receivers they have brought on (hyperbole!). Given the cap situation, lower-tier RB's, FB's, and slot receivers are cheaper. And realize that the Cheaters spent virtually as much on RB's as the Bills did this past season.
BuffBillsForLife Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 Bell is the only RB in the league I would take over Shady and is a truly elite player. He'd be worth every penny, but it would be a LOT of pennies and it would look real bad after 2-3 years when he declines.
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