oldmanfan Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Based on what evidence? Do you believe that Russia or North Korea want to go to war with a nuclear super power? Or do you think they are rational actors? I certainly think North Korea is irrational. How many administrations have tried to have a dialog with them and yet they are still getting nuclear weapons on board.putin may be more rational but he is like a bully that won't quit until you smack him in the face. Trying to use rational thought processes with irrational people doesn't work.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Trying to use rational thought processes with irrational people doesn't work. And now you know what it's like having to communicate with Democrats the past two years. 1
Bray Wyatt Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Regardless of how you feel about Obama, he never questioned our intelligence agencies in front of a foreign leader at a press conference so I'm confused when you said "when Obama did it." Trump has trouble clearly formulating his thoughts (especially the difference between collusion and election meddling) and that's why you saw those who know him best were begging him to clarify yesterday. Except for Sean Hannity because he's Sean Hannity. I am sorry, I wasnt talking about the intelligence community party when I said Obama did it. So let me clarify, it is the idea of placating/catering to Russia (or the idea that they were).
#34fan Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 49 minutes ago, DC Tom said: I'll start to worry when we divide Poland. 56 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Reiterating my "Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact" analogy here. We'll be at war with Russia in May of 2020... Just so I know, who's Hitler and who's Stalin in this scenario? Edited July 17, 2018 by #34fan
IDBillzFan Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 10 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: Most intelligent, rational posters stay away from this corner of the Wall - what I refer to as TSW's Taint. Yes, the intelligence factor goes up so much higher when I read someone at TSW arguing that if you think McCoy is innocent, and it turns out he's guilty, you should be banned from TBD for life. Such high intelligence, it's amazing you could even find your way over here.
row_33 Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 he has always been America First and is going to implement it in foreign policy hopefully avoid all the blunders made since WW2, so much could have been avoided Yankee come home
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: I certainly think North Korea is irrational. How many administrations have tried to have a dialog with them and yet they are still getting nuclear weapons on board.putin may be more rational but he is like a bully that won't quit until you smack him in the face. Trying to use rational thought processes with irrational people doesn't work. This is a perfect segue back into some prior content I posted that you never responded to. The Kim's hands have been tied for decades because the CIA was actively running North Korea as a black site. It's the reason Trump's reformed CIA used was to conduct the recent diplomatic relations there in the build up to Trumps summit instead of State who always fills that role. Kim reached out to the Obama administration seeking exactly the same thing that President Trump successfully negotiated, and Obama ignored him. The DPRK wanted normalized relations for a long time. Only by removing black hat bad actors in our CIA was this able to be achieved. The CIA is not to be trusted. Full stop. Here's a short list of examples of the good work they've done in the world. I'd like you to respond to this, and explain to me why you, I , or anyone else owes them any allegiance. Lying us into Iraq The Bay of Pigs." MKUltra Intentionally releasing the whooping cough in the Tampa Bay area Intentionally infecting Guatemalans with syphilis Injecting unsuspecting US citizens with plutonium Injecting prisoners with the main ingredient of Agent Orange Choosing to protect and insulate known pedophiles in government Dosing unsuspecting US citizens with LSD Overthrowing the governments of Iran, Argentina, Guatemala, the Congo, the Dominican Republic, South Vietnam, and Chile Running the global supply of opiates 1
Foxx Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 25 minutes ago, DC Tom said: You know who else said that? Stalin! ... yeah but Putin doesn't have a statue of himself erected so... not entirely true.... 2015 Putin statue
row_33 Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 Like all services, they have excellent dedicated people and scumbags who jump into the top of the bureaucracy, doing nothing but looking ahead to their next promotion in 2 months time. the excellent people don't want anything to do with the fools on the hill
oldmanfan Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said: This is a perfect segue back into some prior content I posted that you never responded to. The Kim's hands have been tied for decades because the CIA was actively running North Korea as a black site. It's the reason Trump's reformed CIA used was to conduct the recent diplomatic relations there in the build up to Trumps summit instead of State who always fills that role. Kim reached out to the Obama administration seeking exactly the same thing that President Trump successfully negotiated, and Obama ignored him. The DPRK wanted normalized relations for a long time. Only by removing black hat bad actors in our CIA was this able to be achieved. The CIA is not to be trusted. Full stop. Here's a short list of examples of the good work they've done in the world. I'd like you to respond to this, and explain to me why you, I , or anyone else owes them any allegiance. Lying us into Iraq The Bay of Pigs." MKUltra Intentionally releasing the whooping cough in the Tampa Bay area Intentionally infecting Guatemalans with syphilis Injecting unsuspecting US citizens with plutonium Injecting prisoners with the main ingredient of Agent Orange Choosing to protect and insulate known pedophiles in government Dosing unsuspecting US citizens with LSD Overthrowing the governments of Iran, Argentina, Guatemala, the Congo, the Dominican Republic, South Vietnam, and Chile Running the global supply of opiates I would need to research a whole lot of what you've posted here to determine if there's any validity. Dosing citizens with LSD? 2 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: This is a perfect segue back into some prior content I posted that you never responded to. The Kim's hands have been tied for decades because the CIA was actively running North Korea as a black site. It's the reason Trump's reformed CIA used was to conduct the recent diplomatic relations there in the build up to Trumps summit instead of State who always fills that role. Kim reached out to the Obama administration seeking exactly the same thing that President Trump successfully negotiated, and Obama ignored him. The DPRK wanted normalized relations for a long time. Only by removing black hat bad actors in our CIA was this able to be achieved. The CIA is not to be trusted. Full stop. Here's a short list of examples of the good work they've done in the world. I'd like you to respond to this, and explain to me why you, I , or anyone else owes them any allegiance. Lying us into Iraq The Bay of Pigs." MKUltra Intentionally releasing the whooping cough in the Tampa Bay area Intentionally infecting Guatemalans with syphilis Injecting unsuspecting US citizens with plutonium Injecting prisoners with the main ingredient of Agent Orange Choosing to protect and insulate known pedophiles in government Dosing unsuspecting US citizens with LSD Overthrowing the governments of Iran, Argentina, Guatemala, the Congo, the Dominican Republic, South Vietnam, and Chile Running the global supply of opiates If you're going to try and convince me that the North Koreans are the good guys and we're the bad guys, don't bother.
Foxx Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 14 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I certainly think North Korea is irrational. How many administrations have tried to have a dialog with them and yet they are still getting nuclear weapons on board.putin may be more rational but he is like a bully that won't quit until you smack him in the face. Trying to use rational thought processes with irrational people doesn't work. so, the fact that Trump is the first to have an actual dialogue with them, says......
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I would need to research a whole lot of what you've posted here to determine if there's any validity. Dosing citizens with LSD? https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a20139782/cia-experiment-programs-lsd/ Read the source material. Edited July 17, 2018 by TakeYouToTasker 1
Foxx Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 1 minute ago, TakeYouToTasker said: https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a20139782/cia-experiment-programs-lsd/ Read the source material. it is amazing how the average Joe doesn't know what their government has been doing for so long. 'they are saints, they would never do that.'
oldmanfan Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a20139782/cia-experiment-programs-lsd/ Read the source material. Just looked at it. Bizarre of course. And wrong.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 Just now, oldmanfan said: Just looked at it. Bizarre of course. And wrong. The question you need to ask yourself is this: Would an element of our society that did ALL of those things be worth trusting on THIS matter?
oldmanfan Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Foxx said: so, the fact that Trump is the first to have an actual dialogue with them, says...... And have they changed anything? No. And did we have dialog with other administrations with senior level diplomats and other government officials? Yes. And did North Korea change behavior? No. Just now, joesixpack said: The question you need to ask yourself is this: Would an element of our society that did ALL of those things be worth trusting on THIS matter? Over Putin? Yes.
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a20139782/cia-experiment-programs-lsd/ Read the source material. What about all those other accusations? Whooping cough? Plutonium?
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 Just now, oldmanfan said: Over Putin? Yes. Then, really, honestly...you're beyond hope and not worth the conversation time. If you can honestly not see the IC lying to you about meddling/hacking/collusion or whatever the "crime" du jour is, then there really is no hope. Best of luck.
row_33 Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 14 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a20139782/cia-experiment-programs-lsd/ Read the source material. Thhe New Yorker's piece on one of the proponent's heading to trial?? at 81 years of age, don't remember the details exactly... great read... https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/12/17/operation-delirium
oldmanfan Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 I am under no illusion that our government is perfect and that some horrible decisions have been made. But at present the decision has to be made as to what to do about a foreign country interfering with our electoral process. And I certainly side with us vs. them in that regard.
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