Bray Wyatt Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) this is the problem with the left, they take everything to the extreme. Do I think it was dumb of Trump to not take the easy softball question and say I believe my intelligence guys? Yes. Even if he doesnt believe it, thats the canned response and everyone knows it, even Putin. I do not think its a good look from our leader. However, this is not Pearl Harber, treason or whatever the hell else they are exaggerating. Another note, at least it seems to me that the republicans seem consistent in their outrage. They didnt like it when Obama was nice to Russia, and they dont like Trump doing it now. The left on the other hand, had no problem with Obama doing it and now are outraged = hypocrites. Edited July 17, 2018 by Bray Wyatt 1
Max Fischer Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 The President of the United States said his administration, congress and the intelligence community are wrong about Russian election interference and Putin is telling the truth. Yet, many of you see nothing wrong with that. Traitor-on guys!
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: No doubt. Still don't think these people are a danger? I think you'd have a good deal of trouble finding a quote of me saying that they aren't engaging in dangerous behavior. In fact, quite the opposite, I've stated many times that we're approaching a point where Civil War may become an inevitability. My contention has always been that freedom is inherently dangerous because it permits people to do and say things we don't like; however for all it's warts it's the only system that protects you when you take action to do or say something others don't like.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 Just now, TakeYouToTasker said: I think you'd have a good deal of trouble finding a quote of me saying that they aren't engaging in dangerous behavior. In fact, quite the opposite, I've stated many times that we're approaching a point where Civil War may become an inevitability. My contention has always been that freedom is inherently dangerous because it permits people to do and say things we don't like; however for all it's warts it's the only system that protects you when you take action to do or say something others don't like. Gotcha.
Deranged Rhino Posted July 17, 2018 Author Posted July 17, 2018 6 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: There are 4-5 semi-deranged fascists on this board who have pretty much chased away all remaining objective, rational posters. They talk to themselves all day and take their own collective agreement as some kind of sign that their "side" is winning the cultural war. If you confront them with the lunacy of the current POTUS regime, their response is one of the following (i) snark; (ii) "But Obama/Hillary," or (iii) the media/intelligence community/any evidence contrary to their opinion is part of some deep state conspiracy of lies. They are lunatics engaged in a "Fox 'N' Friends" circle jerk on this forum. If you scroll up in the thread you'll see that they've started to attract the far-right (or far-left) anti-Semitic Lyndon Larouche crowd who think 9/11 was an inside job/manufactured by the Mossad. This is not a surprise. Most intelligent, rational posters stay away from this corner of the Wall - what I refer to as TSW's Taint. This is a hilarious spin considering you've run away from every attempt to have a meaningful, evidence based, conversation. Speaking of, did you ever read the FISC opinion you said you'd read, because you're an attorney who "knows how **** works"? Or nah? I'm guessing nah since you've spent the last three months ducking the direct question. Cowardly trolling is all Tuesday wants to offer - while trying to claim the high ground. You can't make this up. 14 minutes ago, Max Fischer said: The President of the United States said his administration, congress and the intelligence community are wrong about Russian election interference and Putin is telling the truth. Yet, many of you see nothing wrong with that. Traitor-on guys! Link to the exact quote? Or maybe you're adding words and context that didn't exist - because dishonesty is your thing. 1
DC Tom Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: Hey Promo...what about the guys in the IC who are now your heroes who lied about WMD in Iraq? Should we believe them now, but not have believed them then? This is an easy one, Promo. Really? That's...stupid. What about the heroism of Russia in 2003 opposing the invasion of Iraq, and in 2007 when they invaded Georgia but were evil and Bush didn't do anything but levy sanctions...then in 2008, US-Russia relations were at a crisis because of Bush's antagonistic policies, leading to a "reset" button and the lifting of Bush's Georgia sanctions. Then the dismissal of Romney's 2012 observation that Russia was are greatest geopolitical foe, and Obama having "more flexibility after the elections" to treat with Putin. Then 2013, the "red line" fiasco leads to the virtual abandonment of Middle Eastern policy to Russian interests. Only after that, with the annexation of the Crimea and invasion of Eastern Ukraine does Russia suddenly become a "foe" again, leading to even stronger sanctions. And now, with Trump arming Ukraine, implementing even greater sanctions, expelling Russian diplomats, and bombing Russians in Syria...he's "weak" dealing with our "enemy." That's a much better string of examples of Democratic hypocrisy. And it's not even remotely a complete set of examples. Fifteen years of blatant foreign policy inconsistency for no other reason than to chase a domestic principle of "Everything a Republican ever does is wrong." I have no doubt that, if Trump broke off relations with Russia, the Democrats would rail against it for no reason other than to be anti-Trump. So you'll pardon me if I stopped taking them seriously. 6 1
row_33 Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 The prior admin, congress, and the intell community has zero point zero credibility on this issue. NOTHING WHATSOEVER!!!!!!!!!! Again I ask how you can determine a server was hacked until you have seized possession and gone through it.... the next President is going to be held 100% responsible for any hacker on US soil that accomplishes a break just for kicks??? Think about it....
Deranged Rhino Posted July 17, 2018 Author Posted July 17, 2018 You don't get it, Row. Promo TRUSTS Brennan. He saw him on TV speaking so it must have been the truth coming from his lips. He's a man who's always put country above party, he's never stained his service record, he's never broken the American peoples' trust. He's never ran major spying operation on congress and the press while they were investigating him and CIA torture just to limit the blowback. He's never made undisclosed trips to Russia on burner passports during the election (February 2016, again in June). He ran the investigation into Russian meddling by the book - the book from 1999 after he tore up the protocol book written after the WMD debacle in 2002-2003. He's never exuded anything but steady, level headiness in his tweets and personal interactions. Promo TRUSTS Brennan. A true patriot who NEVER had an American journalist murdered on the streets of Los Angeles because he was digging into Brennan's Moscow ties. No wonder he's so lost.
26CornerBlitz Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, row_33 said: The prior admin, congress, and the intell community has zero point zero credibility on this issue. NOTHING WHATSOEVER!!!!!!!!!! Again I ask how you can determine a server was hacked until you have seized possession and gone through it.... the next President is going to be held 100% responsible for any hacker on US soil that accomplishes a break just for kicks??? Think about it.... Because an image of the server was provided to the FBI. Don't be an idiot! 1
Deranged Rhino Posted July 17, 2018 Author Posted July 17, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Because an image of the server was provided to the FBI. Don't be an idiot! That's not the same, 26, as direct evidence. Images can be corrupted, altered, and spoofed as Vault 7 proved. There's no excuse for the FBI not directly examining the server themselves. None. (especially when the work they're being asked to trust was done by CrowdStrike - a contractor who was/should have been one of the targets of the investigations, not part of it) 2
row_33 Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Because an image of the server was provided to the FBI. Don't be an idiot! that's not what my IT gurus are saying, they are saying this is total 100% BS.
26CornerBlitz Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: That's not the same, 26, as direct evidence. Images can be corrupted, altered, and spoofed as Vault 7 proved. There's no excuse for the FBI not directly examining the server themselves. None. You can also alter and corrupt the actual server itself. I often make images of my servers and PCs to preserve the digital integrity of the files in case of OS or DB corruption. At any rate, one does not need physical possession of the original for a 100% accurate forensic examination. 1 minute ago, row_33 said: that's not what my IT gurus are saying, they are saying this is total 100% BS. Wrong!
Deranged Rhino Posted July 17, 2018 Author Posted July 17, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: You can also alter and corrupt the actual server itself. I often make images of my servers and PCs to preserve the digital integrity of the files in case of OS or DB corruption. At any rate, one does not need physical possession of the original for a 100% accurate forensic examination. You don't need one if you're dealing with level actors who you trust to give you the unvarnished images. CrowdStrike, by nature of their relationship to the DCCC/DNC and the FBI/Clinton were not impartial actors. Look at it this way: We both agree this is the most politically divisive scandal in the history of this country. The stakes are enormous, and the disinformation and propaganda on both sides of the political aisle on this one are off the charts. Right? So wouldn't one expect the FBI would go out of their way to look at every piece of evidence directly - if only to thwart any arguments or disinformation attempts? Yet, Comey didn't, instead he trusted the word a contractor with deep financial ties to the victims themselves. Any investigator worth a damn would know that gives them motive to possibly lie and would want to double check their work. Again, if only to stop this exact attack from happening. Knowing what we know about the origin of this investigation, the 702 abuse inside FBI-CID (of which CrowdStrike was a part of), and what we know of the political motivations of those working the case, NOT examining the server directly opens up a lot of reasonable doubt. Especially when that is combined with the evidence that all of these investigative bodies have the cyber tools to fake exactly those sorts of server images. We are a country that believes in innocent til proven guilty, are we not? And you're asking people to dismiss wildly sloppy investigating (from day one) and just take Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Brennan, and Clapper at their word when each one to a man has a long (and now criminal for some) record of being dishonest brokers with the American public. Isn't it a weak argument, and poor work, for the FBI to be now forced into a position where the entirety of their hacking investigation was done second and third hand?
DC Tom Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: You can also alter and corrupt the actual server itself. I often make images of my servers and PCs to preserve the digital integrity of the files in case of OS or DB corruption. At any rate, one does not need physical possession of the original for a 100% accurate forensic examination. Wrong! IT gurus aside, unless it's a cloud VM, a "server image" isn't evidentiary itself, as it can be altered or manipulated. Even if they work with images for forensic analysis, they need possession of the physical server as evidence. To not have it is a very big lapse in the investigation. 2
Joe Miner Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: IT gurus aside, unless it's a cloud VM, a "server image" isn't evidentiary itself, as it can be altered or manipulated. Even if they work with images for forensic analysis, they need possession of the physical server as evidence. To not have it is a very big lapse in the investigation. I'll wait until Ben Sasse weighs in on this. Assuming he agrees with what I want to think.
26CornerBlitz Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, DC Tom said: IT gurus aside, unless it's a cloud VM, a "server image" isn't evidentiary itself, as it can be altered or manipulated. Even if they work with images for forensic analysis, they need possession of the physical server as evidence. To not have it is a very big lapse in the investigation. Your point makes no sense as the contents of a physical server itself can be manipulated. IMO it's better to lock down and preserve an original and instead provide an exact digital copy for an examination. As a CISSP, that's exactly what I would do.
Deranged Rhino Posted July 17, 2018 Author Posted July 17, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Your point makes no sense as the contents of a physical server itself can be manipulated. IMO it's better to lock down and preserve an original and instead provide an exact digital copy for an examination. As a CISSP, that's exactly what I would do. Would you though, wait ten days before alerting the FBI to the breach - and only inform them after you've dismantled the server, scrapped it for parts, and (allegedly) used those parts in several other servers as CrowdStrike did? Or would you want to wait for the authorities first?
26CornerBlitz Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Joe Miner said: I'll wait until Ben Sasse weighs in on this. Assuming he agrees with what I want to think. Way to chime in with a stupid point not germane to the conversation.
Bray Wyatt Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Way to chime in with a stupid point not germane to the conversation.
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