Lurker Posted July 20, 2018 Posted July 20, 2018 Just now, BringBackOrton said: Goodell's word is law. To date, that's been true. But at some point, the NFL's going to be drug into court, where the justice system will likely neuter some of that power...
Beast Posted July 20, 2018 Posted July 20, 2018 Just now, Lurker said: To date, that's been true. But at some point, the NFL's going to be drug into court, where the justice system will likely neuter some of that power... Nope. That’s a CBA issue. 1
Augie Posted July 20, 2018 Posted July 20, 2018 Just now, Lurker said: To date, that's been true. But at some point, the NFL's going to be drug into court, where the justice system will likely neuter some of that power... The NFL has every advantage even if they get to court because the players negotiated away their rights in return for dollars. The next CBA battle should be one for the ages! 1
BringBackOrton Posted July 20, 2018 Posted July 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Lurker said: To date, that's been true. But at some point, the NFL's going to be drug into court, where the justice system will likely neuter some of that power... No, they won't. The NFLPA agreed to the terms set in the CBA. Every court appeal has supported the CBA. 1
Lurker Posted July 20, 2018 Posted July 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Binghamton Beast said: Nope. That’s a CBA issue. The CBA doesn't supersede labor law related to wrongful termination. Or civil law related to loss of employment and damage to reputation. Whether the NFL would ultimately prevail in such suits is really secondary. A long, drawn out civil action would generate a lot of negative PR for a group of owners who are already skittish over the kneeling issue. They would much rather make this go away quietly... 1
Luxy312 Posted July 20, 2018 Posted July 20, 2018 37 minutes ago, Doc said: It means he won't just suspend people for no good reason, and even when he does suspend people, he has to admit he erred. If he were judge, jury, and executioner, his suspensions would stand. And not sure what you're saying, but Cordon believing Shady was involved is absolutely no grounds for a suspension. I keep coming back to the same question. What exactly is the conduct that he would be suspended for? What evidence has been produced supporting the conduct that gets him suspended. After all, this is the NFL Conduct Policy that we're talking about. It's not the NFL Suspicion Without and Evidence Policy. Dante Fowler just suspended for "off the field issues". 3 in 17 months. 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 20, 2018 Posted July 20, 2018 ...wonder why his "buddy" from the "Philly Bar Tango" was called a "person of interest" in some news accounts?.....rampant speculation?...he seems like a nice, upstanding fellow...
JoeF Posted July 20, 2018 Posted July 20, 2018 58 minutes ago, Roger Goodell said: The league and the players association (sp) have worked hard to establish a dictatorship that provides the commissioner with ultimate power over all issues related to player discipline. This is what I got when I put the original statement into Google's Commissioner Translator....
Doc Posted July 20, 2018 Posted July 20, 2018 14 minutes ago, Luxy312 said: I keep coming back to the same question. What exactly is the conduct that he would be suspended for? What evidence has been produced supporting the conduct that gets him suspended. After all, this is the NFL Conduct Policy that we're talking about. It's not the NFL Suspicion Without and Evidence Policy. Dante Fowler just suspended for "off the field issues". 3 in 17 months. He can't be suspended. She made an allegation. It's now up to the police to find a link between the incident and Shady. The NFL will probably investigate and make sure Shady didn't pay her off so he can avoid legal entanglements. 6 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...wonder why his "buddy" from the "Philly Bar Tango" was called a "person of interest" in some news accounts?.....rampant speculation?...he seems like a nice, upstanding fellow... Because he signed the eviction papers. 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 20, 2018 Posted July 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, Doc said: He can't be suspended. She made an allegation. It's now up to the police to find a link between the incident and Shady. The NFL will probably investigate and make sure Shady didn't pay her off so he can avoid legal entanglements. Because he signed the eviction papers. .....GOOD point...thanks bud....forgot he put that "X" on the document.....
26CornerBlitz Posted July 20, 2018 Posted July 20, 2018 16 minutes ago, Doc said: He can't be suspended. She made an allegation. It's now up to the police to find a link between the incident and Shady. The NFL will probably investigate and make sure Shady didn't pay her off so he can avoid legal entanglements. Because he signed the eviction papers. That wouldn't stop the MPD from charging him with a crime if they find evidence that links him.
Doc Posted July 20, 2018 Posted July 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: That wouldn't stop the MPD from charging him with a crime if they find evidence that links him. Maybe. A settlement would stipulate that she not cooperate with the police, in which case they might drop it.
26CornerBlitz Posted July 20, 2018 Posted July 20, 2018 Just now, Doc said: Maybe. A settlement would require that she not cooperate with the police, in which case they would might drop it. Any potential settlement bewteen them (which won't happen) would not impact the investigation into the already reported home invasion, assault, and armed robbery.
Doc Posted July 20, 2018 Posted July 20, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Any potential settlement bewteen them (which won't happen) would not impact the investigation into the already reported home invasion, assault, and armed robbery. I know. I'm just saying that if she doesn't cooperate with the police, they might not pursue it further.
26CornerBlitz Posted July 20, 2018 Posted July 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Doc said: I know. I'm just saying that if she doesn't cooperate with the police, they might not pursue it further. Too late for that. They can pursue the case without her by examination of the surveillance system, phone records, and his finances if required.
Augie Posted July 20, 2018 Posted July 20, 2018 44 minutes ago, Lurker said: The CBA doesn't supersede labor law related to wrongful termination. Or civil law related to loss of employment and damage to reputation. Whether the NFL would ultimately prevail in such suits is really secondary. A long, drawn out civil action would generate a lot of negative PR for a group of owners who are already skittish over the kneeling issue. They would much rather make this go away quietly... It’s not wrongful termination. It’s a suspension the CBA allows as part of the process, and both sides agreed to it. Now, this is assuming there is something REAL to point to. I suspect that won’t be the case, but it leans hard toward the league’s side here. Roger has nothing to gain by abuse of this power he rightly has,.
Doc Posted July 20, 2018 Posted July 20, 2018 8 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Too late for that. They can pursue the case without her by examination of the surveillance system, phone records, and his finances if required. How often does it happen that an assault case like this would proceed without the victim cooperating?
26CornerBlitz Posted July 20, 2018 Posted July 20, 2018 Just now, Doc said: How often does it happen that an assault case like this would proceed without the victim cooperating? Standard fare. The crime has already been committed and reported.
Luxy312 Posted July 20, 2018 Posted July 20, 2018 25 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Standard fare. The crime has already been committed and reported. Committed and reported with no evidence. There's nothing to pursue legally without a minimum of some facts. Money changing hands, etc. To get a conviction, police would need to catch the guy that did it and have a direct connection to McCoy. At this point, that seems highly unlikely. If evidence were actually building, my opinion could be different. 1
Lurker Posted July 20, 2018 Posted July 20, 2018 45 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: That wouldn't stop the MPD from charging him with a crime if they find evidence that links him. That's a stone cold given. And this whole thread would be moot if that were to occur. But the hypothetical that Goodell would add Shady to the "list" in the absence of such evidence is the bone of contention. I don't think he could/would, while others think the Commish would go down that slippery slope.. Time will tell... 1
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