LeviF Posted July 3, 2018 Posted July 3, 2018 16 minutes ago, nkreed said: I feel there will be great debate over my thoughts that the Republican Party moved more conservative and Democrats stayed closer to center. Some of you know my political stance, but I'm attempting to not allow that to bias my observations. Hell, I'll double down. The Republican party hasn't gone far enough. Everything the Democrats fight for in the name of "progress," the Republicans end up fighting to conserve 10-20 years later. No more. A large portion of American people are sick and tired of being betrayed by those who would call themselves our betters. Unfettered mass immigration, social programs designed to be handcuffs rather than help, kissing the boots of corporations and calling it the "free market," bending over on every social issue from trannies to abortion to guns in the name of "bipartisanship," etc. etc. Enough is enough. A reactionary movement is long overdue. Trump has demonstrated this by his election alone. Also, your notion that the Democrats haven't moved further to the left is incredibly silly. Imagine your average 2018 Democrat waking up in 1980 suddenly. How far to the left of the average person are they? 2
Bray Wyatt Posted July 3, 2018 Posted July 3, 2018 21 minutes ago, nkreed said: As much as many of the Right in this forum think that "walking away" was moving from left to right, I believe that the walk away movement is actually moving further left. The Democrats, and Republicans for many years, were mostly centrist parties. This is why the government worked for a while. There would be working together and creating bipartisan bills. The Republicans party had to cater to the extremism of the Tea Party to continue it's existence (I believe), pushing it further Right, while the Democrats did not take the progressive platforms of the Occupy and Bernie movements(see presidential election 2008, presidential primary, Dem chair nominee, etc.). I feel there will be great debate over my thoughts that the Republican Party moved more conservative and Democrats stayed closer to center. Some of you know my political stance, but I'm attempting to not allow that to bias my observations. Just curious, did you read any of the posts on the # walkaway or watch the video, or pay attention to any of the recent events? I find it hard to believe you came to that conclusion if you did.
row_33 Posted July 3, 2018 Posted July 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said: Just curious, did you read any of the posts on the # walkaway or watch the video, or pay attention to any of the recent events? I find it hard to believe you came to that conclusion if you did. he was on with Tucker Carlson for a brief chat last night, a bit of a surprise to hear what he meant by it all
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 3, 2018 Posted July 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, GG said: Actually no. The Democratic Party has lurched to the left, and that's why people are walking away. How much further to the left of socialism can you get? Communism?
Bray Wyatt Posted July 3, 2018 Posted July 3, 2018 1 minute ago, row_33 said: he was on with Tucker Carlson for a brief chat last night, a bit of a surprise to hear what he meant by it all Ill have to listen to that in a bit, I cut the cord on cable so listen to him online at work
row_33 Posted July 3, 2018 Posted July 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said: Ill have to listen to that in a bit, I cut the cord on cable so listen to him online at work a thoughtful chap, i just caught the interview randomly between innings of the Yankees game.
Tiberius Posted July 3, 2018 Posted July 3, 2018 Virginia is walking away from the GOP Most voters are! When Trump loses in 2020 it will be funny to see the cult implode in an orgasim of self pity
row_33 Posted July 3, 2018 Posted July 3, 2018 12 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Virginia is walking away from the GOP Most voters are! When Trump loses in 2020 it will be funny to see the cult implode in an orgasim of self pity an orgasim? do you have a thought that doesn't involved sexual filth? You need to repent.
Tiberius Posted July 3, 2018 Posted July 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, row_33 said: an orgasim? do you have a thought that doesn't involved sexual filth? You need to repent. You are so upset and hysterical, so I'll let that go. Poor little snow flake, or really, just flake. When Trump is indicted, will you cry? 1 minute ago, ALF said: Walmart boycott campaign launched after outcry over 'Impeach 45' clothing Walmart has found itself on the receiving end of a torrent of outrage after it was discovered Monday that the superstore was selling anti-Trump “Impeach 45” apparel on its website. The outcry sparked a #BoycottWalmart trend on Twitter as users expressed their distaste for the chain promoting the impeachment of President Trump, echoing some Congressional Democrats. http://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/2018/07/03/walmart-boycott-campaign-launches-after-outcry-over-impeach-45-clothing.html Ha ha! Snowflakes heads exploding!
Kevbeau Posted July 3, 2018 Posted July 3, 2018 2 hours ago, GG said: Actually no. The Democratic Party has lurched to the left, and that's why people are walking away. How much further to the left of socialism can you get? Double Secret Socialism? 3
nkreed Posted July 3, 2018 Posted July 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Bray Wyatt said: Just curious, did you read any of the posts on the # walkaway or watch the video, or pay attention to any of the recent events? I find it hard to believe you came to that conclusion if you did. I read the initial article which continuously mixed left and Democratic party as if they were the exact same thing. Claiming that the party is one of hate and segregation is different than claiming the ideology is that way. The ideas that the initial article point to conflict at great length with the basis of progressivism or *gasp* socialism. The party on the other hand is still closer to center, so it is unsurprising that the ideals of a person who supports a platform left of center would not want to be a part of it. These are my observations. Hey we all view things differently. As to the other recent events, I don't have cable, not do I watch the American news. Will I take some of the journalism that has been put out there with a grain of salt, yes, yes I will. (We could possibly even say that if it's trumpeted on this forum, it comes from a conservative news source). In that part of this I am deficient, but my understanding is that #walkaway is about the party. I must state again, the party does NOT encapsulate all the views of the left. I find myself telling people this a lot. Just like the Republicans do not encapsulate all of the views of the right.
row_33 Posted July 3, 2018 Posted July 3, 2018 10 minutes ago, nkreed said: I read the initial article which continuously mixed left and Democratic party as if they were the exact same thing. Claiming that the party is one of hate and segregation is different than claiming the ideology is that way. The ideas that the initial article point to conflict at great length with the basis of progressivism or *gasp* socialism. The party on the other hand is still closer to center, so it is unsurprising that the ideals of a person who supports a platform left of center would not want to be a part of it. These are my observations. Hey we all view things differently. As to the other recent events, I don't have cable, not do I watch the American news. Will I take some of the journalism that has been put out there with a grain of salt, yes, yes I will. (We could possibly even say that if it's trumpeted on this forum, it comes from a conservative news source). In that part of this I am deficient, but my understanding is that #walkaway is about the party. I must state again, the party does NOT encapsulate all the views of the left. I find myself telling people this a lot. Just like the Republicans do not encapsulate all of the views of the right. there has to be something redeemable in the Democratic Party, it's certainly not showing up when the TV cameras let the leaders goof off
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 3, 2018 Posted July 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, nkreed said: I read the initial article which continuously mixed left and Democratic party as if they were the exact same thing. Claiming that the party is one of hate and segregation is different than claiming the ideology is that way. The ideas that the initial article point to conflict at great length with the basis of progressivism or *gasp* socialism. The party on the other hand is still closer to center, so it is unsurprising that the ideals of a person who supports a platform left of center would not want to be a part of it. These are my observations. Hey we all view things differently. As to the other recent events, I don't have cable, not do I watch the American news. Will I take some of the journalism that has been put out there with a grain of salt, yes, yes I will. (We could possibly even say that if it's trumpeted on this forum, it comes from a conservative news source). In that part of this I am deficient, but my understanding is that #walkaway is about the party. I must state again, the party does NOT encapsulate all the views of the left. I find myself telling people this a lot. Just like the Republicans do not encapsulate all of the views of the right. The founder of the movement has categorically said he's walking away from being a LIBERAL. Not a Democrat. A LIBERAL.
Deranged Rhino Posted July 3, 2018 Author Posted July 3, 2018 10 minutes ago, nkreed said: I read the initial article which continuously mixed left and Democratic party as if they were the exact same thing. Claiming that the party is one of hate and segregation is different than claiming the ideology is that way. The ideas that the initial article point to conflict at great length with the basis of progressivism or *gasp* socialism. The party on the other hand is still closer to center, so it is unsurprising that the ideals of a person who supports a platform left of center would not want to be a part of it. These are my observations. Hey we all view things differently. As to the other recent events, I don't have cable, not do I watch the American news. Will I take some of the journalism that has been put out there with a grain of salt, yes, yes I will. (We could possibly even say that if it's trumpeted on this forum, it comes from a conservative news source). In that part of this I am deficient, but my understanding is that #walkaway is about the party. I must state again, the party does NOT encapsulate all the views of the left. I find myself telling people this a lot. Just like the Republicans do not encapsulate all of the views of the right. Of course it doesn't encapsulate all views on the left... just those of the party's leadership: ...Which is the problem.
nkreed Posted July 3, 2018 Posted July 3, 2018 3 hours ago, LeviF91 said: Hell, I'll double down. The Republican party hasn't gone far enough. Everything the Democrats fight for in the name of "progress," the Republicans end up fighting to conserve 10-20 years later. No more. A large portion of American people are sick and tired of being betrayed by those who would call themselves our betters. Unfettered mass immigration, social programs designed to be handcuffs rather than help, kissing the boots of corporations and calling it the "free market," bending over on every social issue from trannies to abortion to guns in the name of "bipartisanship," etc. etc. Enough is enough. A reactionary movement is long overdue. Trump has demonstrated this by his election alone. Also, your notion that the Democrats haven't moved further to the left is incredibly silly. Imagine your average 2018 Democrat waking up in 1980 suddenly. How far to the left of the average person are they? Levi, I challenge you to justify this average person statement. Just like I won't be able to justify that the average person is more liberal than you believe, you won't justify your belief that an average person is conservative. It is a matter of viewpoint at this juncture. If the large mass you speak of are privileged people of any color, I can understand that. It's just that those people are the majority anymore. It's not people that have made this country more difficult to have a decent life in. It's politics and the two party system forcing you into making a choice. Until this is seen we will never move forward. Hey I agree with many of your statements but I still believe that Democrats have stayed closer to the center than is believed. Imagine looking at the political ideologies on a line, with the center directly in the middle of the screen. Place the Dems at the extreme left and Repubs extreme right. Now move the Repubs right on that line what happens? The center moves left, even though it doesn't move at all. I think this is what has happened with the identity of center. It seems further to the left when you move right. 19 minutes ago, joesixpack said: The founder of the movement has categorically said he's walking away from being a LIBERAL. Not a Democrat. A LIBERAL. Not in the initial story. That is the basis of this. It consistently mixed liberal with Democrat, they are not one in the same.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 3, 2018 Posted July 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, nkreed said: Not in the initial story. That is the basis of this. It consistently mixed liberal with Democrat, they are not one in the same. Watch the dude's video.
nkreed Posted July 3, 2018 Posted July 3, 2018 13 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Of course it doesn't encapsulate all views on the left... just those of the party's leadership: ...Which is the problem. How is this a problem? Just because some people won some primaries? And "she represents the future of our party" Without further context of that statement we don't know if it was an age, a politics or a lack of money statement.
row_33 Posted July 3, 2018 Posted July 3, 2018 why bother paying attention to what the man actually said about the movement? they can't bother to give 90 seconds to learn anything
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