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2 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

My God, you're the most out of touch and dishonest poster on PPP. Congratulations on getting that trophy.

Oh, this is going to be fun. I'll be linking a lot to Politifact.

2 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

 

You realize the "cages" for the children have been going on for a dozen years?  You realize that they're not in cages and actually live quite luxuriously as they await finding their families?  Water parks, movies, AC, full meals, etc.  Of course, you're either inept intellectually and a liar or know nothing beyond the scope of 18 months ago in gleeful ignorance.

"Kids in cages" is the quippy way to describe children being separated from their parents, taking away legal guardianship and adopting them out, but as I type that out it's much worse. The word choice comes from the original Associated Press article. Not some left wing crazy person blog.

https://www.apnews.com/9794de32d39d4c6f89fbefaea3780769 

 

This was not done in Obama's term. They were minors who didn't have parents and who came over themselves. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jun/25/brad-parscale/tyes-immigrant-children-detained-under-obama-they-/

 

The situation was begun under Donald Trump, and when the heat was on, he claimed he couldn't fix it and that it was  Democratic law. This was false.

He said that an executive order couldn't stop it. Then he did just that.

 

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jun/25/brad-parscale/tyes-immigrant-children-detained-under-obama-they-/

 

I know the idea of children in cages must give you a hard on, but this one lies heavily with 45.

2 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

 

Further, Obama had given direct orders to stand down against the Russian interference.  That doesn't bother you?  Of course, you're a liar and dishonest or just a fool to not know this. 

 

Also false. You can argue that he didn't do enough, but hey, try to be at least factual next time: https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/dec/12/2017-lie-year-russian-election-interference-made-s/

2 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

 

Further, being endorsed by a hate group means nothing. Hillary was endorsed by pro Palestine groups, among others.  Anyone can endorse anyone, of course you're either dishonest and a liar or too ignorant to know this.

2 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

 

He defended no one in the KKK and the quotes you hear are taken out of context. Of course, you'd know this if you looked for the facts instead of claiming to be an independent but hide behind self virtue cloaked in lies and intellectually dishonest opinions that clearly mask your inability to grasp actual facts and reason.

 

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/aug/17/donald-trump/donald-trump-wrong-charlottesville-counter-protest/

 

Well, there is him defending the white nationalists who swarmed over a college campus with torches and beating up students. 

 

"There were people in that rally. I looked the night before. If you look, they were people protesting very quietly the taking down the statue of Robert E. Lee. I am sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day, it looked like they had some rough, bad people, neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them. But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest and very legally protest.

"Because I don’t know if you know, they had a permit. The other group didn’t have a permit. So I only tell you this. There are two sides to a story. I thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country, a horrible moment. But there are two sides to the country."

 

2 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

 

But, hey, you're independent and make your own opinions up!  Let me know what's on MSNBC this morning, hoss.. 

 

I'm a much bigger fan of NPR and the BBC, thank you very much. Enjoy your facts!

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Posted
3 hours ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

Well, I walked away from the Democrats and became and Independent.

 

Then, the Republicans nominated the most corrupt person imaginable. And then he was endorsed by the KKK and neo-Nazi's. And then he won. And then he defended Nazis while courting their vote, raised the costs of health care, gave tax cuts to the super rich while adding sunset clauses to the ones for the middle class (and that is his greatest accomplishment), and decided to put children in cages all while crying about how it's the fault of the big nasty Democrats.

 

And now, it's been revealed that he actively knew about attempts by a foreign superpower to provide intel on his opponent. And that is just what he has admitted to. (After repeatedly changing his story)

 

So yeah, he's made a wonderful case as to why I should go back.

You are nothing but a joke. It's as if you were cloned from Gleeful Gator. Not only do you not know or understand what you have posted you do it in such a transparent manner that other people can see right through you. Go away.

Posted
2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

You are nothing but a joke. It's as if you were cloned from Gleeful Gator. Not only do you not know or understand what you have posted you do it in such a transparent manner that other people can see right through you. Go away.

Please see my above answer where I step by step laid out the Pulitzer prize winning resource as evidence.

 

Here is something else for you to read when you have time: https://medium.com/nonzerosum/umberto-eco-ur-facism-9d9cc1e9f317

Posted
10 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

You may think you proved something but you are just ignorant and ill informed. Frankly, not worth my time. Go away.

 

it's hilarious

 

can't be serious for one second, no it cannot

 

 

Posted
2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

You may think you proved something but you are just ignorant and ill informed. Frankly, not worth my time. Go away.

 

I see your #WalkAway extends to a #WalkAway from facts. 

Posted
9 minutes ago, donbb said:

 

I see your #WalkAway extends to a #WalkAway from facts. 

 

Jerry:  The truth as YOU see it, right George?

 

 

Posted
Just now, row_33 said:

 

Jerry:  The truth as YOU see it, right George?

 

 

 

Plenty of linked evidence from the Whitewalker yet you ignore, ignore, ignore until the next Q post drops - then you run like the wind with the wisdom of Q. 

Posted
1 minute ago, donbb said:

 

I see your #WalkAway extends to a #WalkAway from facts. 

Good job, Gary. You've found another ignorant poster that you can team up with. The facts you speak of are falsehoods and not worth even disputing. He's been here before and has a history of ignorance. A perfect partner for your own ignorant self.

Posted
2 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

"Kids in cages" is the quippy way to describe children being separated from their parents, taking away legal guardianship and adopting them out, but as I type that out it's much worse. The word choice comes from the original Associated Press article. Not some left wing crazy person blog.

https://www.apnews.com/9794de32d39d4c6f89fbefaea3780769 

 

This was not done in Obama's term. They were minors who didn't have parents and who came over themselves. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jun/25/brad-parscale/tyes-immigrant-children-detained-under-obama-they-/

 

The situation was begun under Donald Trump, and when the heat was on, he claimed he couldn't fix it and that it was  Democratic law. This was false.

He said that an executive order couldn't stop it. Then he did just that.

 

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jun/25/brad-parscale/tyes-immigrant-children-detained-under-obama-they-/

 

I know the idea of children in cages must give you a hard on, but this one lies heavily with 45.

 

I'll take this on, because it's something I care deeply about.

 

You may not realize it, but you are making an argument on behalf of modern day slavery.

 

Real slavery, not unlike the kind we had in America in 1850, where individuals are owned as property.

 

The United States is a global hub of human trafficking:

 

First, two articles, one from a left leaning site, one from a right leaning site:

 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/ana-davila/drug-cartels-where-human-trafficking-and-human-smuggling-meet-today_b_7588408.html 

 

https://us.blastingnews.com/news/2017/02/the-trafficking-of-children-at-the-mexican-border-001504697.html

 

Wikipedia:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking_in_Mexico 

 

Various government and international organizations:

 

https://ncfy.acf.hhs.gov/library/2011/human-trafficking-sex-tourism-and-child-exploitation-southern-border 

  

https://www.unicefusa.org/mission/protect/trafficking

 

http://www.ecpat.org/wp-content/uploads/legacy/Factsheet_Mexico.pdf

 

https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/human-trafficking

 

This administration has, as a central pillar of policy, systematically gone about the process of eliminating modern day human trafficking, not only in the United States, but globally.

 

You aren't hearing about it in the news, but the amount of arrests related human trafficking and pedophilia under this Administration is unprecedented by magnitudes; and it's all available in the public record.

 

The situation at our southern border is entirely bound to this. 

 

Families entering the country through our check points are not separated.  The people who are separated are adults traveling with children who work to avoid our border check points.  They are separated because that's how children are trafficked into this country, and it's a massive problem, not to mention the largest human rights issue we face in America today.

 

I'll go on to make a further point for your consideration:

 

Human trafficking is an annual multi-billion dollar industry; possibly larger since it's a black market which is nearly impossible to track.  Like any other massive global industry, there are massive business operations which co-ordinate and own the lion's share of the marketplace.

 

And like any other multi-billion dollar industry operating within the United States, these business interests have lobbyists who work to buy politicians to promote policy to protect their interests.

 

 

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Just now, 3rdnlng said:

Good job, Gary. You've found another ignorant poster that you can team up with. The facts you speak of are falsehoods and not worth even disputing. He's been here before and has a history of ignorance. A perfect partner for your own ignorant self.

 

Trump says jump, you say how high

Posted
1 minute ago, donbb said:

 

Trump says jump, you say how high

 

Mostly we laugh and get on with our lives.

 

The left are the people I see dancing to his tune.

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Posted
10 minutes ago, donbb said:

 

Trump says jump, you say how high

 

he IS the President

 

 

 

he may draft your sorry behind off to fight in Syria some day

 

i sure hope it doesn't happen... :D

 

 

Posted
Just now, row_33 said:

 

it's hilarious

 

can't be serious for one second, no it cannot

 

 

Nope. Absolutely dead serious. Of course, I read news apart from a twitter feed, so I can see the difference. 

 

Believe me, I was looking to vote Republican in 2016. I enjoy capitalism, and I like the parts of tax reform that reduced taxes for the middle class, and the parts that look to help small businesses. I am annoyed at SJW's who will bite your ear off about the correct pronoun, and safe spaces and trigger warnings.

 

But no, one way went "Let's build an extremely costly and ineffective wall that will require the seizure of land from private citizens" and "The man who tanked the USFL, has a precedent for not paying people who built his buildings, is on trial for fraud and won't release his tax returns is the perfect choice to help the economy!"

 

I would say that the #WalkAway movement is misguided...but then, that would require the memes to be of real people, not stock photos with quotes on them. 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/walkaway-campaign-stock-photos/

Yes. I fact check.

Posted
14 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

Nope. Absolutely dead serious. Of course, I read news apart from a twitter feed, so I can see the difference. 

 

Believe me, I was looking to vote Republican in 2016. I enjoy capitalism, and I like the parts of tax reform that reduced taxes for the middle class, and the parts that look to help small businesses. I am annoyed at SJW's who will bite your ear off about the correct pronoun, and safe spaces and trigger warnings.

 

But no, one way went "Let's build an extremely costly and ineffective wall that will require the seizure of land from private citizens" and "The man who tanked the USFL, has a precedent for not paying people who built his buildings, is on trial for fraud and won't release his tax returns is the perfect choice to help the economy!"

 

I would say that the #WalkAway movement is misguided...but then, that would require the memes to be of real people, not stock photos with quotes on them. 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/walkaway-campaign-stock-photos/

Yes. I fact check.

 

 

yes, you can see the difference that NOBODY else can...  :D

 

 

 

the haters can't use the lack of a wall against Trump because they don't want a wall in the first place...

 

oh wait, they can..... keep stepping on those rakes...

 

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OK. That is bad. Now...tell me what, precisely, this administration has done that shows on iota of effectiveness at stopping that? If you have verifiable hard statistics and data show me that then, hey, Trump has done two things I can get behind. I looked for the last half hour or so and can't find anything.

 

What I do know is what isn't working, and what isn't likely to work.

 

A border wall is ineffective. https://www.newsweek.com/2017/03/17/why-mexican-border-wall-wont-stop-drug-cartels-564112.html

 

In fact, stricter border laws in other parts of the world have increased it. http://sciencenordic.com/do-stricter-border-controls-increase-human-trafficking

 

If you can find the data, I'll mea culpa.

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