Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 27, 2018 Posted June 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: he also never saw another country he didn't want to bomb the peejeebers out of. Keating 5. Stand up guy. How is McCain-Fiengold doing at keeping money out of politics? what he did in VN was amazing. I respect him for that, but that's all. Yeah, I can agree with you on this. McCain's garbage. 1
DC Tom Posted June 27, 2018 Posted June 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: he also never saw another country he didn't want to bomb the peejeebers out of. Keating 5. Stand up guy. How is McCain-Fiengold doing at keeping money out of politics? what he did in VN was amazing. I respect him for that, but that's all. Decorated veterans are not necessarily competent in other areas. Audie Murphy was basically a complete !@#$-up in literally every other aspect of his life outside of killing Germans. They're also not necessarily good people. The Hell's Angles were formed by WWII fighter pilots who missed the excitement of combat.
Deranged Rhino Posted June 27, 2018 Posted June 27, 2018 1 hour ago, reddogblitz said: I'll believe this when I see it. They look out for each other. Keep watching.
BringBackOrton Posted June 27, 2018 Posted June 27, 2018 1 hour ago, DC Tom said: Decorated veterans are not necessarily competent in other areas. Audie Murphy was basically a complete !@#$-up in literally every other aspect of his life outside of killing Germans. They're also not necessarily good people. The Hell's Angles were formed by WWII fighter pilots who missed the excitement of combat. He was a good movie star.
/dev/null Posted June 27, 2018 Posted June 27, 2018 11 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: He was a good movie star. It's kind of hard to screw up playing yourself 1
DC Tom Posted June 27, 2018 Posted June 27, 2018 16 minutes ago, /dev/null said: It's kind of hard to screw up playing yourself And yet...he did. 1
reddogblitz Posted June 27, 2018 Posted June 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: Keep watching. Oh, I will
IndyMark Posted June 27, 2018 Posted June 27, 2018 I am not sure where I fall, exactly, on this iteration of the debate above. Yet I find it amusing the platitudes offered by some here who identify as being on the Right regarding those on the Left cornering the market on aggressive attitudes and incivility. Me thinks these particular individuals need a history lesson. If you believe for a moment that "all this started" once Trump got elected and the pathetic behavior is exclusive to those on the Left, or in fact it has only gotten worse since Trump was elected, you really should try to reflect a bit more intentionally, every day. That or you should have to repeat out loud, slowly, what you are typing and are about to post so you may get a sense of how goofy you are about to appear. Please see the below. You are welcome. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/mar/25/violence-congress-health-reform-republican-obama https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/04/quote-of-the-day-ted-nugent-threatens-barack-obama/256025/ I am only including two examples as I think it would be too overwhelming for those on the far Right, who are speaking very unequivocally, to work through the entire list; again, based on the posts from them in this thread. 1
DC Tom Posted June 28, 2018 Posted June 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, IndyMark said: I am not sure where I fall, exactly, on this iteration of the debate above. Yet I find it amusing the platitudes offered by some here who identify as being on the Right regarding those on the Left cornering the market on aggressive attitudes and incivility. Me thinks these particular individuals need a history lesson. If you believe for a moment that "all this started" once Trump got elected and the pathetic behavior is exclusive to those on the Left, or in fact it has only gotten worse since Trump was elected, you really should try to reflect a bit more intentionally, every day. That or you should have to repeat out loud, slowly, what you are typing and are about to post so you may get a sense of how goofy you are about to appear. Please see the below. You are welcome. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/mar/25/violence-congress-health-reform-republican-obama https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/04/quote-of-the-day-ted-nugent-threatens-barack-obama/256025/ I am only including two examples as I think it would be too overwhelming for those on the far Right, who are speaking very unequivocally, to work through the entire list; again, based on the posts from them in this thread. I believe this is what you folks on the left call "whataboutism." And did you find the story where Mitch McConnell told Republicans to stalk and threaten Jay Carney and Katherine Sebelius? I'm not saying you're wrong, mind you. You're entirely correct. And a thorough hypocritice.
IndyMark Posted June 28, 2018 Posted June 28, 2018 I believe this is what you folks on the left call "whataboutism." And did you find the story where Mitch McConnell told Republicans to stalk and threaten Jay Carney and Katherine Sebelius? I'm not saying you're wrong, mind you. You're entirely correct. And a thorough hypocritice. __ Thanks for reading and replying. However, I am not confident I stated those on the Left were not at fault. If I did, you would be 100% correct. Clearly, I was providing balance that was not quite offered in this form. Of course both sides are at fault. This is what needs to be accepted. Lastly, and less significant, I am not sure I would consider myself as being on the Left. However, you can feel otherwise.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 28, 2018 Posted June 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, IndyMark said: I am not sure where I fall, exactly, on this iteration of the debate above. Yet I find it amusing the platitudes offered by some here who identify as being on the Right regarding those on the Left cornering the market on aggressive attitudes and incivility. Me thinks these particular individuals need a history lesson. If you believe for a moment that "all this started" once Trump got elected and the pathetic behavior is exclusive to those on the Left, or in fact it has only gotten worse since Trump was elected, you really should try to reflect a bit more intentionally, every day. That or you should have to repeat out loud, slowly, what you are typing and are about to post so you may get a sense of how goofy you are about to appear. Please see the below. You are welcome. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/mar/25/violence-congress-health-reform-republican-obama https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/04/quote-of-the-day-ted-nugent-threatens-barack-obama/256025/ I am only including two examples as I think it would be too overwhelming for those on the far Right, who are speaking very unequivocally, to work through the entire list; again, based on the posts from them in this thread. You seem to know where you, exactly. I think you're correct..stupidity and hostility toward an opponent goes back to the beginning of time. And extremists of a particular stripes are similar to extremists of all stripes. I will say the most recent election reveals thus. Nary an objection was raised when Clinton hung all sorts of horrible descriptors on Candidate Trump, yet much was made when he returned the favor in kind. To be blunt, he treated her respectfully, as an equal, in approach and tone. She played the gender card, which is fine politically when trying to win an election, but soft as hell as a leader.
DC Tom Posted June 28, 2018 Posted June 28, 2018 1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: To be blunt, he treated her respectfully, as an equal, in approach and tone. That's a real stretch...:lol: 1
Rob's House Posted June 28, 2018 Posted June 28, 2018 I think there's a clear distinction between the level of "civility" before and after Trump. While there's nothing new about people trashing politicians they dislike, there is something new about the wholesale dehumanization of their supporters. There's also something new about the wave of widespread violence and harassment against individuals, and it's coming primarily from the left. We're not talking about isolated incidents of some !@#$ acting up, but rather large organized movements. For example, you have antifa violently "protesting" conservative speakers, and violently "counter-protesting" Trump rallies. You have groups vandalizing and picketing the private home of the president of the NRA. And there are wide-spread organized efforts to de-platform conservatives and purge them from businesses and universities. And all that's before you had Maxine Waters dumping gasoline on the fire. Not only has this not been done by the right, it was never done by the left during my lifetime. Not on this scale, and not with wide-spread support. The other problem with the vitriolic hatred coming from the left (and it is absolutely that) is that it is without direction. In times past most disagreements that sparked passions were over actual issues based in reality, like welfare, taxes, war, and abortion. If you were arguing over the Iraq war, there actually was a war to debate. If you're a socialist arguing with a capitalist, even if the conversation descends into nasty ad hominim attacks, at least you're discussing a real issue that can be debated. The new left is raging against figments of their imagination. These aren't even policy based arguments. How do you compromise with someone who's calling for the elimination of Nazis when there are no Nazis to eliminate? How do you reason with someone who's fighting racist policies that aren't even being proposed? I've got people on my FB feed who actually believe Trump is building concentration camps to exterminate the Mexicans. How do you reason with those guys? If you don't acknowledge their imaginary boogie men and join the witch hunt, you are a Nazi, or at best a Nazi sympathizer, and thus you need to be destroyed. Put differently, if you aren't "woke" you're the enemy. And an enemy deserves no mercy. That's a far cry from calling Obama a Muslim or burning an effigy of Bush with a swastika on its arm. 2 2
Doc Brown Posted June 28, 2018 Posted June 28, 2018 1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: You seem to know where you, exactly. I think you're correct..stupidity and hostility toward an opponent goes back to the beginning of time. And extremists of a particular stripes are similar to extremists of all stripes. I will say the most recent election reveals thus. Nary an objection was raised when Clinton hung all sorts of horrible descriptors on Candidate Trump, yet much was made when he returned the favor in kind. To be blunt, he treated her respectfully, as an equal, in approach and tone. She played the gender card, which is fine politically when trying to win an election, but soft as hell as a leader. He said during a debate that if he ran things she'd be in jail. LOL. Trump isn't completely blameless in all this as he said he'd pay his supporters legal fees if they assaulted protesters and the "lock her up" chant at the rallies and the convention is something you normally see in a banana republic. Not a healthy democracy. However, I do agree it's mostly the radical left that is pushing us closer to something similar to the Rodney King riots. If Trump wins in 2020 despite losing the popular vote again......look out.
row_33 Posted June 28, 2018 Posted June 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: He said during a debate that if he ran things she'd be in jail. LOL. Trump isn't completely blameless in all this as he said he'd pay his supporters legal fees if they assaulted protesters and the "lock her up" chant at the rallies and the convention is something you normally see in a banana republic. Not a healthy democracy. However, I do agree it's mostly the radical left that is pushing us closer to something similar to the Rodney King riots. If Trump wins in 2020 despite losing the popular vote again......look out. That’s politics. if she couldn’t handle it, after dishing it out....
reddogblitz Posted June 28, 2018 Posted June 28, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, row_33 said: That’s politics. if she couldn’t handle it, after dishing it out.... it's one of the things they have in common. Edited June 28, 2018 by reddogblitz
row_33 Posted June 28, 2018 Posted June 28, 2018 18 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: it's one of the things they have in common. Trumps likes the spotlight and rough games of the boardroom and politics she hates to have anyone remotely contradict or not suck up to her
Albwan Posted June 28, 2018 Posted June 28, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, IndyMark said: I am not sure where I fall, exactly, on this iteration of the debate above. Yet I find it amusing the platitudes offered by some here who identify as being on the Right regarding those on the Left cornering the market on aggressive attitudes and incivility. Me thinks these particular individuals need a history lesson. If you believe for a moment that "all this started" once Trump got elected and the pathetic behavior is exclusive to those on the Left, or in fact it has only gotten worse since Trump was elected, you really should try to reflect a bit more intentionally, every day. That or you should have to repeat out loud, slowly, what you are typing and are about to post so you may get a sense of how goofy you are about to appear. Please see the below. You are welcome. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/mar/25/violence-congress-health-reform-republican-obama https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/04/quote-of-the-day-ted-nugent-threatens-barack-obama/256025/ I am only including two examples as I think it would be too overwhelming for those on the far Right, who are speaking very unequivocally, to work through the entire list; again, based on the posts from them in this thread. A brick from 2010 and ted nugent are the two best examples you can come up with comparing to say eh mad max, a congress woman's threats. Are you kidding? Man, I Iove lefties, keep Trump winning ! The letter on the brick was probably written by a far left lib... Exremism... Edited June 28, 2018 by Albwan
Deranged Rhino Posted June 28, 2018 Posted June 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Rob's House said: That's a far cry from calling Obama a Muslim or burning an effigy of Bush with a swastika on its arm. Good post. imo the difference is this wave was weaponized by John Brennan and the IC for the purposes of distracting/undercutting the administration. That's also why this should be so outrageous to the many (and I know they exist) rational thinking people in the "resistance". They're doing the bidding of some of the very institutions and agencies that denied MANY of them a say in their primary candidate.
/dev/null Posted June 28, 2018 Posted June 28, 2018 https://amgreatness.com/2018/06/27/liberalism-and-the-abnormal-trump/ 1
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