KW95 - JA17 Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 7 hours ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said: Not worth the time... Exactly, Deep down inside you know Hughes is a douche who takes stupid penalties and watched his player get elbowed in the head and did nothing. And don't you guys ever see that the Refs never call a hold against him? He is blacklisted by the refs. Remember when he got a penalty for tapping his own players helmet after a sack on Brady ( or stopping a 4rth down run ). He's not a bad player, but he's not what you what for the money he's getting
thebandit27 Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 35 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yup. He is in danger of reaching his Courtney Upshaw-esque floor. I think the stages of drafters-remorse on Shaq are interesting to watch though...........wasn't that long ago we had people trying to sell the idea that they drafted Shaq in the middle of round one for his run defense. We talked about it pre draft, and I distinctly remember saying that he was an Adrian Clayborn type with Terrell Suggs measurables, whereas you were full-go on Courtney Upshaw. At this point, I'd take Clayborn production from him and call it found money. 8 minutes ago, KW95 said: Exactly, Deep down inside you know Hughes is a douche who takes stupid penalties and watched his player get elbowed in the head and did nothing. I responded further up the thread if you want to discuss
artmalibu Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 I bet if he was a 2nd round draft pick he would be a hero around here.
Cripple Creek Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 4 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: I thought he was talking about Art Still. nevermind, I’m old.. Art still what?
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 20 minutes ago, KW95 said: Exactly, Deep down inside you know Hughes is a douche who takes stupid penalties and watched his player get elbowed in the head and did nothing. And don't you guys ever see that the Refs never call a hold against him? He is blacklisted by the refs. Remember when he got a penalty for tapping his own players helmet after a sack on Brady ( or stopping a 4rth down run ). He's not a bad player, but he's not what you what for the money he's getting Still not worth the time...
BADOLBILZ Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 19 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: We talked about it pre draft, and I distinctly remember saying that he was an Adrian Clayborn type with Terrell Suggs measurables, whereas you were full-go on Courtney Upshaw. At this point, I'd take Clayborn production from him and call it found money. Seems like every draft there is that player or two that are like pre-arranged marriage first-rounders. Someone is going to draft them in round one...... and you just hope it's not your team that gets that loveless assignment. Shaq was that dude in 2016........his production and pedigree got him drafted despite what should have been worrisome tape. My ceiling on Shaq was Melvin Ingram..........bad production until near the end of his rookie deal then a breakout year just in time to have to overpay $16M per year for a guy who is always going to be a full head less than elite. The floor was Upshaw.
BillsVet Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 11 hours ago, dave mcbride said: That and a dollar will get a DE a cup of coffee in today's NFL. If you can't effectively rush the passer from the DE position, you are basically worthless - a low-end rotational guy who bounces from team to team over 6-7 year career. I know BADOL said this earlier, but Shaq's explosion off the snap is really poor and even in college it wasn't all that great. McD's defense needs to generate a pass rush from the front 4 and he can't have one DE who's not a threat to get to the QB. Shaq may be healthy and buying in to keep his career going, but it's not going to make his a quick twitch type.
billsredneck1 Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 5 hours ago, Soda Popinski said: haha i remember him too. Barely. art still was a big bad dude. shaq is going to be a very important piece this year.....i believe. keep him for one more year.
John from Riverside Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 5 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: They didn’t draft him. They obviously have to cut him. im not the biggest Lawson fan but who is the better player they are going to replace him with? He’s pretty cheap. Let’s not make another stupid Ragland trade just because you need to burn down everything you inherited. I cant be that upset about the Ragland trade.....he absolutely does not fit what we are trying to do and it led us (indirectly) to the drafting of Edmunds who looks like a total scheme fit.
Royale with Cheese Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Day one starter... You think Lawson starts over Murphy?
ALF Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 Shaq is now healthy , in great condition and motivated. My bet is he makes the starting rotation.
Mr. WEO Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 38 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: You think Lawson starts over Murphy? No--old joke. Famously weak draftnik Doug Whaley famously claimed that he drafted "at least three" "day 1 starters" in the 2016 draft. The best whopper he told was that "Shaq Lawson is going to walk in off the bus starting", when he knew that Lawson had a shoulder injury that would need pre season surgery.
NewEraBills Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 27 minutes ago, ALF said: Shaq is now healthy , in great condition and motivated. My bet is he makes the starting rotation. They paid Murphy too much money. My thing with Murph and Shaq is that I don't really see Murph as more talented and I don't think he will generate more than 9 sacks if he gives us that. If they like Odigi then Shaq is going to be trade bait for a WR or OL most likely. I'm not a fan of it but it's just what it is.
Royale with Cheese Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: No--old joke. Famously weak draftnik Doug Whaley famously claimed that he drafted "at least three" "day 1 starters" in the 2016 draft. The best whopper he told was that "Shaq Lawson is going to walk in off the bus starting", when he knew that Lawson had a shoulder injury that would need pre season surgery.
26CornerBlitz Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: No--old joke. Famously weak draftnik Doug Whaley famously claimed that he drafted "at least three" "day 1 starters" in the 2016 draft. The best whopper he told was that "Shaq Lawson is going to walk in off the bus starting", when he knew that Lawson had a shoulder injury that would need pre season surgery. That's not what happened.
Mr. WEO Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 55 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: That's not what happened. yeah it is.
26CornerBlitz Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 26 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: yeah it is. It isn't. The thought was that he could play through the injury just as he did at Clemson with a surgery after the 2016 season. You are simply incorrect.
Mr. WEO Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It isn't. The thought was that he could play through the injury just as he did at Clemson with a surgery after the 2016 season. You are simply incorrect. Maybe you thought that. Whaley didn't. He knew that (as was being reported at the time) 6 or more teams would pass on Lawson due to his well known shoulder injury which would require surgery not after an NFL season. Then Whaley created this laughable set up: "If something happens, it's going to happen. It's nothing that we're really worried about or we wouldn't take him. We have complete faith in our medical staff and they signed off on him, so we're excited to have him." Then...oooops!--during a "conditioning program" immediately after the draft, "something happened"! What happened during a routine day in the gym, you ask?... ....an "occurrence of the condition" (gotta love that line). And presto, oh my God, Shaq will not be able to play through the season after all. Shocking!! It's like all those teams that passed on him because of his well known surgically treatable shoulder injury somehow KNEW he would have surgery right after the draft----and therefore chose not to draft huim... Crazy coincidence you would say, right?
John from Riverside Posted June 21, 2018 Posted June 21, 2018 I think signing Murphy was great because now they can play a rotation that takes the pressure off Shaq a bit....and maybe that actually moves him forward in the right direction. There is going to be a healthy rotation of all these DL players...that is one of the big concepts of McD's D
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