sherpa Posted June 19, 2018 Posted June 19, 2018 On 6/19/2018 at 2:53 PM, The_Dude said: Because Marines have barebones M4’s. Because the Navy’s commitments in the Pacific are expensive. Because Mars isn’t amassing an invasion force. Now, I’m all about space weapons to use to kill Chinese and Russian scum, but a space force is a farce of an idea. Let’s focus on killing what we need to kill. Expand Have you thought about this at all? Marines and their M4's, beach invasions, open battles at sea and a host of other ancestor worship military tactics are obviated by an effective, offensive space platform. As horrible as it is, our adversaries are moving that way. 1
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 19, 2018 Posted June 19, 2018 On 6/19/2018 at 2:37 AM, peace out said: Who will the alt-right flat earthers vote for now? Expand You mean like this guy? 1
The_Dude Posted June 19, 2018 Posted June 19, 2018 On 6/19/2018 at 3:53 PM, sherpa said: Have you thought about this at all? Marines and their M4's, beach invasions, open battles at sea and a host of other ancestor worship military tactics are obviated by an effective, offensive space platform. As horrible as it is, our adversaries are moving that way. Expand If you’re asking if I’m for technology and secretly weaponizong in space then the answer is yes. If you’re asking me if we need another branch to do that the answer is no. Give those projects to the Air Force. Make the Air Force useful again.
Prickly Pete Posted June 19, 2018 Posted June 19, 2018 On 6/19/2018 at 2:53 PM, The_Dude said: Because Marines have barebones M4’s. Because the Navy’s commitments in the Pacific are expensive. Because Mars isn’t amassing an invasion force. Now, I’m all about space weapons to use to kill Chinese and Russian scum, but a space force is a farce of an idea. Let’s focus on killing what we need to kill. Expand I doubt you are privy to the kind of information that Trump has likely been recently introduced to when he took office. And I really doubt it was some brainstorm from Trump. Obviously, MiIitary people came up with the idea and convinced Trump it would be a good idea pursue.
Deranged Rhino Posted June 19, 2018 Posted June 19, 2018 On 6/19/2018 at 9:35 PM, The_Dude said: If you’re asking if I’m for technology and secretly weaponizong in space then the answer is yes. If you’re asking me if we need another branch to do that the answer is no. Give those projects to the Air Force. Make the Air Force useful again. Expand The USAF and USN already have their own SSPs. This will end up being public disclosure of existing assets (imo).
Koko78 Posted June 19, 2018 Posted June 19, 2018 On 6/19/2018 at 9:35 PM, The_Dude said: If you’re asking if I’m for technology and secretly weaponizong in space then the answer is yes. If you’re asking me if we need another branch to do that the answer is no. Give those projects to the Air Force. Make the Air Force useful again. Expand Again? 1
The_Dude Posted June 19, 2018 Posted June 19, 2018 On 6/19/2018 at 9:41 PM, OJ Tom said: I doubt you are privy to the kind of information that Trump has likely been recently introduced to when he took office. And I really doubt it was some brainstorm from Trump. Obviously, MiIitary people came up with the idea and convinced Trump it would be a good idea pursue. Expand Obviously, huh? ? On 6/19/2018 at 10:36 PM, Koko78 said: Again? Expand Yes, again. Aside from a very small portion the Air Force has been pretty useless since 2001. And without the Air Force the navy pilots would be able to pick up the slack. As a cavalaryman I’ve no love for non combatants. 1
DC Tom Posted June 20, 2018 Posted June 20, 2018 On 6/19/2018 at 11:55 PM, Deranged Rhino said: Expand That's not where the refuelling port is on an X-Wing... 1
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted June 20, 2018 Posted June 20, 2018 On 6/19/2018 at 11:43 PM, The_Dude said: Obviously, huh? ? Yes, again. Aside from a very small portion the Air Force has been pretty useless since 2001. And without the Air Force the navy pilots would be able to pick up the slack. As a cavalaryman I’ve no love for non combatants. Expand HOOAH! This thread is AWESOME!
sherpa Posted June 20, 2018 Posted June 20, 2018 On 6/19/2018 at 11:43 PM, The_Dude said: Yes, again. Aside from a very small portion the Air Force has been pretty useless since 2001. And without the Air Force the navy pilots would be able to pick up the slack. As a cavalaryman I’ve no love for non combatants. Expand What? I'm not sure you are aware of carrier capabilities or airwing numbers, but there isn't a chance in the world the Navy could "pick up the slack," and even a small attempt would be disastrous. The Navy provides a very capable strike force, but nowhere near the numbers the Air Force has. The reality is that we are at the early stages of a a major change in offensive air platforms, from manned to unmanned.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 20, 2018 Posted June 20, 2018 On 6/20/2018 at 12:16 AM, DC Tom said: That's not where the refuelling port is on an X-Wing... Expand Nerrrrrrd On 6/20/2018 at 12:56 AM, MILFHUNTER#518 said: HOOAH! This thread is AWESOME! Expand Gotta love the chair force. sincerely, an artilleryman
The_Dude Posted June 20, 2018 Posted June 20, 2018 On 6/20/2018 at 7:12 AM, sherpa said: What? I'm not sure you are aware of carrier capabilities or airwing numbers, but there isn't a chance in the world the Navy could "pick up the slack," and even a small attempt would be disastrous. The Navy provides a very capable strike force, but nowhere near the numbers the Air Force has. The reality is that we are at the early stages of a a major change in offensive air platforms, from manned to unmanned. Expand Look, all I’m saying is that I got 30 months in Iraq and the Air Force contribution to Iraq and Afghanistan was/is very minor especially when compared to the other branches.
sherpa Posted June 20, 2018 Posted June 20, 2018 On 6/20/2018 at 11:44 AM, The_Dude said: Look, all I’m saying is that I got 30 months in Iraq and the Air Force contribution to Iraq and Afghanistan was/is very minor especially when compared to the other branches. Expand I'm glad that's all you're saying. The other services don't have anywhere near the capability for pure numbers, command and control, airborne tanking or logistics movement the Air Force does. I've always been disappointed in their flexibility compared to the other services, and they are far more rule oriented, the the capability is undeniable.
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted June 20, 2018 Posted June 20, 2018 On 6/20/2018 at 11:44 AM, The_Dude said: Look, all I’m saying is that I got 30 months in Iraq and the Air Force contribution to Iraq and Afghanistan was/is very minor especially when compared to the other branches. Expand Right. They are really good at droning people, and giving us a lift to and from theater. Other than that, Army and Marines were the major players... 1
The_Dude Posted June 20, 2018 Posted June 20, 2018 On 6/20/2018 at 1:27 PM, sherpa said: I'm glad that's all you're saying. The other services don't have anywhere near the capability for pure numbers, command and control, airborne tanking or logistics movement the Air Force does. I've always been disappointed in their flexibility compared to the other services, and they are far more rule oriented, the the capability is undeniable. Expand Ok....but just so we’re clear I’m pretty sure given a squad size element I could bring the Air Force to surrender. Maybe a platoon sized element....but I think I could do it with a squad.
DC Tom Posted June 20, 2018 Posted June 20, 2018 On 6/20/2018 at 11:44 AM, The_Dude said: Look, all I’m saying is that I got 30 months in Iraq and the Air Force contribution to Iraq and Afghanistan was/is very minor especially when compared to the other branches. Expand Air Force can't occupy ground. They'll never be effective in a counter-insurgency campaign, no matter how hard they try. And particularly while they focus on high-end, high-performance stealthy jets.
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