Prediction: Nathan Peterman Bills Starting QB Wk. 1 vs. Ravens

[The Senator]

I think anyone who recognizes QB talent, realizes that Peterman has some, but almost none.

 

He will throw 6 INTs in Q1 if McDermott is stupid enough to start him, but McD will see that in camp or game 1 of preseason.

 

NP  is definitely odd man out - practice squad?  Maybe, but I doubt it .  mcBeane can find someone better.

 

Josh Allen starts against the Ravens

 

[ColoradoBills]

4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’ve never seen anyone use that argument here. Maybe I’m not paying attention? The league spoke pretty loudly on their opinion of McCarron this offseason. He got half of what guys like Bridgewater and McCown did. He can be a decent placeholder.

 

I don’t believe that Peterman can. He isn’t an NFL QB. He has horrendous pocket presence and terrible decision making. When pressure comes he is at his worst. That’s why he always does well on shorts and a t shirt but not when the bullets fly. It has been that way since his time at Pitt. They called him “Nervous Nate.” 

 

Allen needs to be viewed independently of the other 2. He’s on his own schedule. When he starts is dependent on Allen, not the other 2. He’s going to get the job at some point. We just need to hope that when he does he is the guy that we all hope he is. If not, we will be looking again in 2020.

 

Good post Kirby.  I would only add that AJ has a "chance" of being better than a placeholder.  If Allen is the #2 that means he has to be ready to replace AJ

at any time.  If they don't like that chance Peterman will stay on as an active QB at least for a while.

 

[BurpleBull]

9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Burple, I think that's great if Peterman has more zip, but the question raised by the above quote is will that difference in zip translate to actual game situations, under pressure?

 

It's not unique to Peterman; Allen has been working on fixing some issues with his lower body mechanics and with accuracy on short throws, and the big question unanswered during practices is "will that translate to games?"

 

In other words, the tweet you're quoting above both acknowledges Peterman's "improved zip", and suggests that in more realistic situations (throwing on the run), that doesn't translate into being able to hit tight windows.

 

My question about Peterman is wholly different.  I think he's got too much "hero ball" in his blood and that circuit in successful QB brains that says "you can't do that" appears to be underdeveloped. 

 

Thanks for the heads-up.

 

Really enjoyed his reporting. Detailed and felt unbiased.

 

A lot of times based on the overwhelming tweets you get on Allen and the very few highlight plays you get tweeted on Peterman, it can really leave one believing that Peterman just isn't doing enough to warrant any shine.

 

Very good to know that Peterman was doing a lot of the little things right that would ordinarily go unreported.

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Check out the Astro-Notes.  He often has a different perspective on Bills TC.

 

 

Guinness is good for you!  Why is American Beer like "making love in a canoe?"

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

Thanks for the heads-up.

 

Really enjoyed his reporting. Detailed and felt unbiased.

 

A lot of times based on the overwhelming tweets you get on Allen and the very few highlight plays you get tweeted on Peterman, it can really leave one believing that Peterman just isn't doing enough to warrant any shine.

 

Very good to know that Peterman was doing a lot of the little things right that would ordinarily go unreported.

 

Astro is Awesome!  All Astro's stuff about looking the safety off and the like.  Thought you'd enjoy that.

 

I think what really intrigues our coaches about Peterman is what a head he reportedly has for the game.  He "gets" stuff about the D, he has a deep understanding of the  offense.  What remains to be seen is if he can learn to handle pressure, to understand his limitations, and to tone down his "hero" gene and take the sack or throw the ball away.  It's a tough one, because sometimes the D is just that tough and if the QB doesn't try to stand in there and sling it, the O will go nowhere.

2 hours ago, The Senator said:

I think anyone who recognizes QB talent, realizes that Peterman has some, but almost none.

He will throw 6 INTs in Q1 if McDermott is stupid enough to start him, but McD will see that in camp or game 1 of preseason.

NP  is definitely odd man out - practice squad?  Maybe, but I doubt it .  mcBeane can find someone better.

Josh Allen starts against the Ravens

 

Good to see you, Senator!  The unanswered question is, if McD can see that in camp or preseason, why wasn't it seen last year?

3 hours ago, JohnC said:

I know I am opening myself to ridicule but I usually drink Light Beer. Amstel Light is in my fridge.  I'm well aware that I am a minor league drinker who will never make it to the majors.  I'm a peasant who will never be bumped up to a higher class. Not only do I know the lane I am driving in I'm also very comfortable with my downtrodden status. 

 

If you're a peasant, you should be drinking gruit - medieval ale flavored with bog myrtle, yarrow, etc and no hops.

 

A friend of mine asked for a light beer in Ireland.  They brought her a Killian Red - "that's as light as we get here, Lassie!"

[Wily Dog]

If Peterman/McCarron goes another week , then it is Peterman until Allen is ready.  Allen will probably be  held out for 8-10 games this year.

[BurpleBull]

15 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Astro is Awesome!  All Astro's stuff about looking the safety off and the like.  Thought you'd enjoy that.

 

I think what really intrigues our coaches about Peterman is what a head he reportedly has for the game.  He "gets" stuff about the D, he has a deep understanding of the  offense.  What remains to be seen is if he can learn to handle pressure, to understand his limitations, and to tone down his "hero" gene and take the sack or throw the ball away.  It's a tough one, because sometimes the D is just that tough and if the QB doesn't try to stand in there and sling it, the O will go nowhere.

 

Good to see you, Senator!  The unanswered question is, if McD can see that in camp or preseason, why wasn't it seen last year?

 

If you're a peasant, you should be drinking gruit - medieval ale flavored with bog myrtle, yarrow, etc and no hops.

 

A friend of mine asked for a light beer in Ireland.  They brought her a Killian Red - "that's as light as we get here, Lassie!"

 

Yes, it's good knowing that he has some of the nuances of the passing game down at this stage in his career.

 

Peterman seems a lot more matured with his understanding of what needs to happen on the field then might be expected for a second-year player.

 

I think he's worked too hard at his game this offeseason to not apply it when it counts. 

 

 

[dgrochester55]

I feel bad, because the poor guy was thrown to the wolves before he was ready against the Chargers.  I think that Peterman can be better than that game but still has a ceiling as a backup.  Also, the other two options are the top 10 pick and a sought after established backup who wants to prove that he can be a starter.   

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Take away the bias of that Chargers game, and i still don't see it happening unless someone is injured or he dominates preseason while the others are horrible.

Edited August 2, 2018 by dgrochester55

[BurpleBull]

22 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

As I said before:  

 

My Prediction:  Peterman will be the 3rd QB to enter the 2nd preseason game and wont take any first team reps rest of preseason after the 2nd preseason game.  

 

My guess is it will be Allen.

[Rocky Landing]

19 hours ago, dgrochester55 said:

I feel bad, because the poor guy was thrown to the wolves before he was ready against the Chargers.  I think that Peterman can be better than that game but still has a ceiling as a backup.  Also, the other two options are the top 10 pick and a sought after established backup who wants to prove that he can be a starter.   

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Take away the bias of that Chargers game, and i still don't see it happening unless someone is injured or he dominates preseason while the others are horrible.

Thrown to the wolves??? It was week 11 against a team that was 3-6 and had just lost to the Jags. How long do you wear the uniform before the opposing team stops looking like big, bad wolves?

[Kirby Jackson]

2 hours ago, BurpleBull said:

 

My guess is it will be Allen.

You don’t think that the Bills want Allen to get more reps vs. better competition? At some point soon they are going to slide him up the depth chart. Maybe it won’t be after preseason game 1 (I suppose it could be game 2) but it won’t be more than that. The Bills want him out there for the experience.

[BurpleBull]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

You don’t think that the Bills want Allen to get more reps vs. better competition? At some point soon they are going to slide him up the depth chart. Maybe it won’t be after preseason game 1 (I suppose it could be game 2) but it won’t be more than that. The Bills want him out there for the experience.

 

Absolutely they want him to get work vs. better competition, I just don't think it happens by the second game, with Allen as the first or second QB entering the ballgame.

 

Allen getting those early reps will depend on McCarron and Peterman's performances.

 

I think people underestimate this regime's steadfastness and patience.

 

If Allen jumps anybody on the depth chart assuming he's QB3 when preseason starts, I could see it happening by the third game.

[Kirby Jackson]

25 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

Absolutely they want him to get work vs. better competition, I just don't think it happens by the second game, with Allen as the first or second QB entering the ballgame.

 

Allen getting those early reps will depend on McCarron and Peterman's performances.

 

I think people underestimate this regime's steadfastness and patience.

 

If Allen jumps anybody on the depth chart assuming he's QB3 when preseason starts, I could see it happening by the third game.

That’s where we disagree. McCarron and Peterman have nothing to do with Allen. He is their concern. They aren’t trying to identify who is “the guy” moving forward. They already did that. It is Allen. Their plan is to develop him.

[3rdand12]

On 8/1/2018 at 6:45 PM, The Senator said:

I think anyone who recognizes QB talent, realizes that Peterman has some, but almost none.

 

He will throw 6 INTs in Q1 if McDermott is stupid enough to start him, but McD will see that in camp or game 1 of preseason.

 

NP  is definitely odd man out - practice squad?  Maybe, but I doubt it .  mcBeane can find someone better.

 

Josh Allen starts against the Ravens

 

Nope. AJM.
Allen is still too rough.
we can hope though : )

[BurpleBull]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s where we disagree. McCarron and Peterman have nothing to do with Allen. He is their concern. They aren’t trying to identify who is “the guy” moving forward. They already did that. It is Allen. Their plan is to develop him.

 

I know they aren't trying to identify 'the guy' moving forward, they feel like they've found him in Allen.

 

But how do figure that the play of  McCarron and Peterman have no bearing on Allen?

 

If Allen just plays 'okay' in the preseason but McCarron and Peterman both have off-the-charts preseason performances, then their play will impact the coaches, leading them to the likely decision of having Allen remain third in the QB pecking order---effectively affecting Allen's chances of being named opening day starter. 

 

On the flip side, if Allen plays just 'okay' and both McCarron and Peterman play horrendously, then chances are Allen gets by on his 'okay' showing and improves his chances of being named starter.

 

I think each guy is trying to look his best and win the starting job, I don't think either McCarron or Peterman is trying to ward off Allen in particular or losing sleep over nightmares of Josh Allen leapfrogging the two of them on the depth chart.

 

Allen getting on the field sooner rather than later depends on how good he looks when measured against both McCarron and Peterman.

[Kirby Jackson]

30 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

I know they aren't trying to identify 'the guy' moving forward, they feel like they've found him in Allen.

 

But how do figure that the play of  McCarron and Peterman have no bearing on Allen?

 

If Allen just plays 'okay' in the preseason but McCarron and Peterman both have off-the-charts preseason performances, then their play will impact the coaches, leading them to the likely decision of having Allen remain third in the QB pecking order---effectively affecting Allen's chances of being named opening day starter. 

 

On the flip side, if Allen plays just 'okay' and both McCarron and Peterman play horrendously, then chances are Allen gets by on his 'okay' showing and improves his chances of being named starter.

 

I think each guy is trying to look his best and win the starting job, I don't think either McCarron or Peterman is trying to ward off Allen in particular or losing sleep over nightmares of Josh Allen leapfrogging the two of them on the depth chart.

 

Allen getting on the field sooner rather than later depends on how good he looks when measured against both McCarron and Peterman.

I’ll point to KC last year. Alex Smith was a legit MVP candidate. He is not there. Neither Peterman nor McCarron is in that league. Teams are looking for their guy to play. The Bills aren’t evaluating 3 guys. They are preparing Allen. This is way different than the last time 3 QBs we’re battling for the Bills job. They have already decided on the guy.

 

Allen’s timeline isn’t impacted by the placeholders in front of him. He is the guy as soon as he is ready. The Bills intentionally left  the path clear. They didn’t get a temporary guy until everyone else did. They don’t want any sort of controversy. They wanted to bring him along without roadblocks. 

[Augie]

15 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’ll point to KC last year. Alex Smith was a legit MVP candidate. He is not there. Neither Peterman nor McCarron is in that league. Teams are looking for their guy to play. The Bills aren’t evaluating 3 guys. They are preparing Allen. This is way different than the last time 3 QBs we’re battling for the Bills job. They have already decided on the guy.

 

Allen’s timeline isn’t impacted by the placeholders in front of him. He is the guy as soon as he is ready. The Bills intentionally left  the path clear. They didn’t get a temporary guy until everyone else did. They don’t want any sort of controversy. They wanted to bring him along without roadblocks. 

 

It would be hard to state it any better than that. Any talk about the “other guys” is relegated to who could be a back up or what could we trade him for. It’s a matter of when.  Josh will be the guy, for better or worse. If they whiffed (as I fear they may have, but pray I’m wrong), I hope they get another shot. 

[BigDingus]

6 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

Thrown to the wolves??? It was week 11 against a team that was 3-6 and had just lost to the Jags. How long do you wear the uniform before the opposing team stops looking like big, bad wolves?

 

-Chargers were top 5 in sacks last year

-Chargers were top 3 in takeaway differential last year

-The Bills haven't won in LA/San Diego since 1985

-Had only a few days to practice with 1st team

-Chargers Head Coach was Anthony Lynn in his first year...a guy who knew our players VERY well having been a former coach here

-Chargers were 3-2 in their last 5 games, with their 2 losses being: a close game in NE against the Pats, and a 3 point loss to the Jags in Jacksonville in OT...the 2 teams who played in the AFC Championship Game

-Traveling across the country to start your first game ever is NOT conducive to a good performance

-Joey Bosa & Melvin Ingram = Bad opponents for a 5th Round Rookie

-Kelvin Benjamin got injured on the opening drive after catching a 20 yard pass...out for the game (we were already down Jordan Matthews)

Also taking into account everyone knew the Chargers were playing much better football at that point (after having loss their first 4 games), eventually finishing 9-7 on the year, it might as well be called "being thrown to the wolves" for a 5th round rookie with a few days to prepare.

 

It was one of the worst possible matchups for a rookie starting his first game.

 

 

[Rocky Landing]

7 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

 

-Chargers were top 5 in sacks last year

-Chargers were top 3 in takeaway differential last year

-The Bills haven't won in LA/San Diego since 1985

-Had only a few days to practice with 1st team

-Chargers Head Coach was Anthony Lynn in his first year...a guy who knew our players VERY well having been a former coach here

-Chargers were 3-2 in their last 5 games, with their 2 losses being: a close game in NE against the Pats, and a 3 point loss to the Jags in Jacksonville in OT...the 2 teams who played in the AFC Championship Game

-Traveling across the country to start your first game ever is NOT conducive to a good performance

-Joey Bosa & Melvin Ingram = Bad opponents for a 5th Round Rookie

-Kelvin Benjamin got injured on the opening drive after catching a 20 yard pass...out for the game (we were already down Jordan Matthews)

Also taking into account everyone knew the Chargers were playing much better football at that point (after having loss their first 4 games), eventually finishing 9-7 on the year, it might as well be called "being thrown to the wolves" for a 5th round rookie with a few days to prepare.

 

It was one of the worst possible matchups for a rookie starting his first game.

 

 

Good points, sure. (Although, were I more cynical, I might call it a list of excuses). Of course, that one stat line-- turnover differential (Chargers were +12)-- has a lot to do with Peterman. 

[BigDingus]

3 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

Good points, sure. (Although, were I more cynical, I might call it a list of excuses). Of course, that one stat line-- turnover differential (Chargers were +12)-- has a lot to do with Peterman. 

 

But these aren't excuses, I just laid out all the information to present a fuller picture of why "being thrown to the wolves" is a fair assessment.

Whether or not Peterman contributed to their turnover differential, every team has a few games where they pick apart a QB (I know we did), so it's not like the Chargers were the only team playing that week & got an unfair stat boost while everyone else took the week off. Hell, they even forced a TO from Tyrod, simply because their pass rush was that good with Bosa & Ingram. Our O-line was outmatched play after play...remember all the threads whining about their "mic'd up" stuff, with the Chargers players laughing & joking about how easy it was to tear apart our O-line?

[LeGOATski]

12 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

 

But these aren't excuses, I just laid out all the information to present a fuller picture of why "being thrown to the wolves" is a fair assessment.

Whether or not Peterman contributed to their turnover differential, every team has a few games where they pick apart a QB (I know we did), so it's not like the Chargers were the only team playing that week & got an unfair stat boost while everyone else took the week off. Hell, they even forced a TO from Tyrod, simply because their pass rush was that good with Bosa & Ingram. Our O-line was outmatched play after play...remember all the threads whining about their "mic'd up" stuff, with the Chargers players laughing & joking about how easy it was to tear apart our O-line?

The embarrassing Bosa quote: "He didn't even try to block me."

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