3rdand12 Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: But also while it was Rico's decision Sean McDermott wouldn't have been human if he wasn't asking himself "can I really tie myself to this guy?" after the way Tyrod played against the Saints. They drafted the kid and it was inevitable at some point last year if the chance presented they were going to want to see him play. In that 24 hours after the Saints game McDermott will have been questioning everything. Two horror shows back to back and a season on the brink. Maybe he acted impulsively in giving Dennison what he wanted (and I talked about Dennison and coaching scheme arrogance as far back as last August when debating whether Yates would make the squad) but he also acted as a man who had realised by that point that Tyrod could never be the guy. Dennison may have been limited in his ability to Coach up run of those crazy running QBs ! But he also could not call one positive yards game for Tolbert. and he kept calling his number. have fun with that jets
GunnerBill Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said: I second this... I don't get why some are saying that Peterman has "no chance" to be the starter Week 1... He is probably still the outsider behind AJ , but from the media reports I am reading on here it appears that he is going well in practice.. What else can he do other than that at this point in time? We still have to go through the camp and pre season games so there is a long way to go... If he has "nervous issues" as others have said than he is going to be found out through that process.. Can I say though, that it seems to me that there are a couple of posters here that have already made up their minds about him and it appears that their hubris dictates that they would rather be right about their opinion than have him improve for the betterment of the team... I would rather the Bills win than be right about Nathan Peterman. But I am right about Nathan Peterman. I was right before the 2017 draft, right before he got on the field and I am right now. 1
Saxum Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said: There were ten reasons why it was a completely horrible decision before the game started. I don’t think anyone here questions McD’s ability to make good decisions on and coach defense. He has yet to show he can do it on offense and he is ultimately responsible for the offense. He cannot make gross errors of judgment like that or he/we will not succeed. It was a big mistake to even announce it. Should have just had Tyrod with captains doing coin toss and then send Nate in on first offense play IF you are going to change QBs.
Kelly the Dog Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 Just now, Limeaid said: It was a big mistake to even announce it. Should have just had Tyrod with captains doing coin toss and then send Nate in on first offense play IF you are going to change QBs. Eleven.
GunnerBill Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t think that the plan was ever to marry Tyrod. Peterman in the playoff hunt though was never going to give them a better chance to win. Tyrod was here until they got “their” guy. FWIW, I loved the Bills approach to QB this offseason (even if Allen wasn’t my choice). Oh I don't think it was ever Beane's plan. I think McDermott liked the idea of Tyrod being the guy. He fits the process. He just can't play well enough. Edited June 12, 2018 by GunnerBill 1
Saxum Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...probably WAAAAAY off base, but I still think the decision was owned by Dennison because he did not or could not consistently work with TT...McD fell on the sword.....and now Dennison is gone...as is TT.....interesting??....... Dennison made no attempt to adjust offense to work with Tyrod which is why Tyrod looked as bad as he did. He was ok in previous years and Lynn was able to get a lot more out of him. 1
3rdand12 Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 Just now, Limeaid said: It was a big mistake to even announce it. Should have just had Tyrod with captains doing coin toss and then send Nate in on first offense play IF you are going to change QBs. Like running the wishbone. Every one is surprised ! Just now, Limeaid said: Dennison made no attempt to adjust offense to work with Tyrod which is why Tyrod looked as bad as he did. He was ok in previous years and Lynn was able to get a lot more out of him. looked that way , no question.
Saxum Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said: I don't get why some are saying that Peterman has "no chance" to be the starter Week 1... He is probably still the outsider behind AJ , but from the media reports I am reading on here it appears that he is going well in practice.. What else can he do other than that at this point in time? He certainly had a chance. Injuries happen. Has Nate been seen near matts maybe moving them?
Kirby Jackson Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Don't be so passive aggressive.. 1
GunnerBill Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Limeaid said: Dennison made no attempt to adjust offense to work with Tyrod which is why Tyrod looked as bad as he did. He was ok in previous years and Lynn was able to get a lot more out of him. Dennison can coach the Kubiak version of the west coast offense. If you want to run something else then don't hire Rick Dennison. I was shouted down here for the whole of last offseason when I said "Tyrod can't run Dennison's offense." I got all the usual "hater" and "not a real fan" jibes. And the "but they tried to sign him in Denver".... But Tyrod couldn't run Rico's offense. And if you are hiring Rico that is the offense he is running.
Aussie Joe Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I would rather the Bills win than be right about Nathan Peterman. But I am right about Nathan Peterman. I was right before the 2017 draft, right before he got on the field and I am right now. Haha.. But were you right about the Giants trading down in the draft?
GunnerBill Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 Just now, Aussie Joe said: Haha.. But were you right about the Giants trading down in the draft? Nope. But that was a guess. A guess and an evaluation are different aren't they. I had spent hours watching Nathan Peterman. I hadn't spent hours reading Dave Gettleman's mind (wish him a fast recovery by the way). Don't worry if I am wrong on Nathan Peterman you will all have plenty of time to dance on my reputation. I wouldn't bother buying new ballet shoes though..... 2
Kelly the Dog Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Oh I don't think it was ever Beane's plan. I think McDermott liked the idea of Tyrod being the guy. He fits the process. He just can't play well enough. That's somewhat of the same reason or mindset of the McDermott/Peterman bromance. McD absolutely loves Peterman but a huge chunk of it if not the majority of it is what kind of guy and teammate that Nate is. Same with Tyrod. He plays Nate with the ones more because it is a message to the team that anyone who does all the right things has a chance to start than because he has the talent to start. He's still going to be cut on the eve of the season barring injury and then put on the PS.
HappyDays Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Maybe he acted impulsively in giving Dennison what he wanted (and I talked about Dennison and coaching scheme arrogance as far back as last August when debating whether Yates would make the squad) but he also acted as a man who had realised by that point that Tyrod could never be the guy. Yeah I've gone back and forth with myself on whether that was a good decision or not. I went into last season with zero expectations of making the playoffs. We were building for the future more than the present. They decided Tyrod wasn't the future so they moved on. I get it. I am pretty sure they would have stuck with Peterman for the year if the Chargers game hadn't been a total disaster. But by the same token there is a reason Peterman is still on the team and practicing with the starters. McDermott still sees a possible future with him, so the people who have been saying he has no chance to start aren't really paying attention IMO. 19 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t think that the plan was ever to marry Tyrod. Peterman in the playoff hunt though was never going to give them a better chance to win Very few of our personnel decisions last year were about immediately securing more wins. I think McDermott was as surprised as anyone that we made the playoffs last year.
GunnerBill Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Yeah I've gone back and forth with myself on whether that was a good decision or not. I went into last season with zero expectations of making the playoffs. We were building for the future more than the present. They decided Tyrod wasn't the future so they moved on. I get it. I am pretty sure they would have stuck with Peterman for the year if the Chargers game hadn't been a total disaster. But by the same token there is a reason Peterman is still on the team and practicing with the starters. McDermott still sees a possible future with him, so the people who have been saying he has no chance to start aren't really paying attention IMO. So I think if you extract the names I knew what they were thinking and understood it. I didn't think it was the right decision because I was certain Peterman would be bad. Those picks were not picks that came from nowhere - there were throws like that littered throughout his college tape. As for does he have a chance to start.... I still think it is a slim chance. For him to start week 1 Allen would have to be clearly behind the other two and Peterman would have to be slightly ahead or McCarron. I am not sure I see that as likely. What I still think he has no chance to be is a successful NFL starter. He just isn't a pro level talent.
Kirby Jackson Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Very few of our personnel decisions last year were about immediately securing more wins. I think McDermott was as surprised as anyone that we made the playoffs last year. I don’t disagree that everything was with an eye to the future. They were still 5-4 at that point and it was a “winnable game” on paper (at least at that point). 9 weeks in the Bills were right in the middle of the playoff conversation.
lookylookyherecomescookie Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: I was responding to a passive aggressive post saying that some people have made up their minds on him. I’m not going to hide from my opinion. I hope that I’m wrong. They will name the starter whenever the time is right. We are so far from actual games mattering. There is no reason or to wait. They are rotating reps now. The plan is to get Allen ready to be the guy. That may be day 1 or 2018 or day 1 or 2019. They aren’t going to sacrifice any of his development to get someone else ready. His development is the single most important thing on this team. It takes priority over everything else. They aren’t cutting McCarron. If anything, he gets traded. what kind of trade value do you think he has?
Kirby Jackson Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 1 minute ago, lookylookyherecomescookie said: what kind of trade value do you think he has? As morbid as it sounds the best situation would be a starter, on a contender, going down in preseason. If Brees, for example, goes down for the year in NOLA you may get a 2nd. Their window is closing and they could look at McCarron as potentially the next guy. That’s probably the top end. You are looking at maybe a 4th otherwise? That’s all a guess though.
Kelly the Dog Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, lookylookyherecomescookie said: what kind of trade value do you think he has? 1
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 55 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I would rather have Taylor than Peterman and McCarron if that’s what you are saying (which we all know it is). I want the best QBs. In in terms of Allen’s development they have a plan. The plan isn’t to let 3 guys battle it out forever. They invested A TON in Allen. He is the highest QB that the Bills have ever drafted. The plan is to toss him the keys when he’s ready. I don’t know how anyone sees this any other way? McCarron and Peterman are sacrificial lambs for lack of a better term. They are there to keep the seat warm until he is ready. This isn’t about their development or getting them ready. If they can play it’s a bonus and potentially they can be traded. Their development though is such a secondary factor. Allen’s development will make or break this regime and the next decade. And 90% of us already know TT was not our best option. And we are all glad he’s gone. 1
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