Lfod Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: We have talked about this at length before but that is not a good sign for McD. Hopefully he learned from his gross misjudgment like he asks and requires of his players. I still don't understand why it bothers people still. Tyrod scored 3 points in his first playoff appearance and possibly the only experience he will ever have as a starter in an actual playoff game. The Browns isn't happening. The entire offenseive was getting shut down to the point of embarrassment. When it was good it never dominant only just sufficient and it felt like most games the team rode the defense to hold any score. When you get as many turnovers as the defense got last year you should be dominating games with those opportunities. So what if that random rookie Peterman did start looking appealing. The real mistake was starting him against the Chargers HC. A guy that has good knowledge of the Bills.
Kirby Jackson Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: The person I heard about it from would be described the same way, I'd imagine. Sent you a PM 1
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 1 hour ago, buffalobloodfloridahome said: I actually liked Tuel. Went to the training camp where he was making all of our other Qb's look bad especially Manuel. Tuel was the player who finally put the nails in Jerky Sullivan's coffin for me. After a decent outing in a preseason game, worthy of some mention, Sullivan wrote of 'some third string guy whose name I couldn't be bothered to remember'. Trying for the cool sportswriter who's seen it all before attitude. Instead, he came off as the jerk on the barstool 3 spaces down. Tuel never panned out as an NFL talent, but he was good for showing me what a talentless f*** Sullivan is.
HappyDays Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: The ones who benched him after 30 mins and admitted to the team it was an error to start him? They fired Dennison at least in part because of that decision, and they brought Peterman back to compete for the starting position. Whatever everyone thinks of Peterman we should all be able to agree that he has a legitimate chance of starting this season. That chance may be very small, although I'm starting to wonder if his chances are really any worse than McCarron's. McDermott isn't the type to waste time. When he knows something doesn't work he moves on right away. Look at all the trades he made, look how quickly he fired his OC, look how quickly he gave Tyrod's backup a chance and how quickly he went back to Tyrod. If he didn't have some level of trust in Peterman he certainly wouldn't be wasting time giving him 1st team reps. He more likely would have outright cut him. McDermott said today he wants to have the starting QB declared by training camp or during training camp. Allen has taken less than 5 total reps with the 1st team offense so I personally don't see him being named the starter that quickly - they're bringing him along slowly, as they should. That leaves McCarron and Peterman as the potential starters and there's no reason to think that competition is just for show. Edited June 12, 2018 by HappyDays 4
Kelly the Dog Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 24 minutes ago, Lfod said: I still don't understand why it bothers people still. Tyrod scored 3 points in his first playoff appearance and possibly the only experience he will ever have as a starter in an actual playoff game. The Browns isn't happening. The entire offenseive was getting shut down to the point of embarrassment. When it was good it never dominant only just sufficient and it felt like most games the team rode the defense to hold any score. When you get as many turnovers as the defense got last year you should be dominating games with those opportunities. So what if that random rookie Peterman did start looking appealing. The real mistake was starting him against the Chargers HC. A guy that has good knowledge of the Bills. There were ten reasons why it was a completely horrible decision before the game started. I don’t think anyone here questions McD’s ability to make good decisions on and coach defense. He has yet to show he can do it on offense and he is ultimately responsible for the offense. He cannot make gross errors of judgment like that or he/we will not succeed.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: There were ten reasons why it was a completely horrible decision before the game started. I don’t think anyone here questions McD’s ability to make good decisions on and coach defense. He has yet to show he can do it on offense and he is ultimately responsible for the offense. He cannot make gross errors of judgment like that or he/we will not succeed. ...probably WAAAAAY off base, but I still think the decision was owned by Dennison because he did not or could not consistently work with TT...McD fell on the sword.....and now Dennison is gone...as is TT.....interesting??.......
Aussie Joe Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, HappyDays said: McDermott isn't the type to waste time. When he knows something doesn't work he moves on right away. Look at all the trades he made, look how quickly he fired his OC, look how quickly he gave Tyrod's backup a chance and how quickly he went back to Tyrod. If he didn't have some level of trust in Peterman he certainly wouldn't be wasting time giving him 1st team reps. He more likely would have outright cut him. McDermott said today he wants to have the starting QB declared by training camp or during training camp. Allen has taken less than 10 total reps with the 1st team offense so I personally don't see him being named the starter that quickly - they're bringing him along slowly, as they should. That leaves McCarron and Peterman as the potential starters and there's no reason to think that competition is just for show. I second this... I don't get why some are saying that Peterman has "no chance" to be the starter Week 1... He is probably still the outsider behind AJ , but from the media reports I am reading on here it appears that he is going well in practice.. What else can he do other than that at this point in time? We still have to go through the camp and pre season games so there is a long way to go... If he has "nervous issues" as others have said than he is going to be found out through that process.. Can I say though, that it seems to me that there are a couple of posters here that have already made up their minds about him and it appears that their hubris dictates that they would rather be right about their opinion than have him improve for the betterment of the team... 1
Kirby Jackson Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: I second this... I don't get why some are saying that Peterman has "no chance" to be the starter Week 1... He is probably still the outsider behind AJ , but from the media reports I am reading on here it appears that he is going well in practice.. What else can he do other than that at this point in time? We still have to go through the camp and pre season games so there is a long way to go... If he has "nervous issues" as others have said than he is going to be found out through that process.. Can I say though, that it seems to me that there are a couple of posters here that have already made up their minds about him and it appears that their hubris dictates that they would rather be right about their opinion than have him improve for the betterment of the team... I’m assuming that I am one of those posters that you are referring to? Yes, I have made up my mind that he will never be a good NFL QB. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong but I’ve seen enough to believe that I will be right. I hope he turns into Aaron Rodgers. I just don’t see it. I don’t care to be right. I care that the Bills win.
3rdand12 Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Logic said: Just a few quick thoughts I want to share: 1.) Anyone who truly, honestly has already written off Peterman's entire career due to one bad game is being foolish. One game does not a career make. 2.) Any true Bills fan only wants success for the team, and will therefore happily cheer on whichever QB wins the starting spot and root for said player to succeed. People who have already made up their minds so steadfastly that Peterman won't be that guy or, worse, that McDermott would be making a huge mistake by starting Peterman, are also being foolish and petty. 3.) AJ McCarron was drafted in the 5th round, just like Peterman. Aside from a head start of a few years of pro time, what does McCarron really have over Peterman in terms of advantages? Both guys have arms that are "just good enough". Both guys will have to win games with their brains rather than their physical attributes. Both are learning a brand new offense. Both are said to be super intelligent. Would it really be that shocking if Peterman beat out AJ McCarron? Not a bad take at all Logic. perspective. I did like #3 especially. it should not be shocking that any one of the three are able to start under this staff. looking forward to keeping up with how they each progress. I think they each should be considered potential starters at this point.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 ...regardless, I'd be comfortable if the initial pecking order was: 1. McCarron 2. Allen 3. Peterman (PS) ...don't see a need just yet to rush the Allen kid....despite OBD historically being the "Mecca of QB Evaluation & Development", the new gang from FO to Admin to between the stripes know their stuff IMO...pace the kid's growth and development.....think that the McCarron kid proves to be able and the Peterman continues to surprise with his development(PS)...when is the last time we have had this kind of POTENTIAL QB depth?.....
HappyDays Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’m assuming that I am one of those posters that you are referring to? Yes, I have made up my mind that he will never be a good NFL QB. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong but I’ve seen enough to believe that I will be right. I hope he turns into Aaron Rodgers. I just don’t see it. I don’t care to be right. I care that the Bills win. You may have made up your mind on him but McDermott hasn't. And that's really what this discussion is about. They're going to name the starter during training camp, this isn't a redux of the Tyrod/EJ/Cassel competition that went until the end of preseason. The fact that Peterman is still taking first team reps means he is very much in contention. I would wager he and McCarron have an equal chance to be the starter, and that their cumulative chances are better than Allen's. If we're only keeping 2 QBs and McCarron doesn't definitively separate himself from Peterman I don't see how he makes the team. 2
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’m assuming that I am one of those posters that you are referring to? Yes, I have made up my mind that he will never be a good NFL QB. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong but I’ve seen enough to believe that I will be right. I hope he turns into Aaron Rodgers. I just don’t see it. I don’t care to be right. I care that the Bills win. Yet you think Allen has a shot with zero games? As I’ve said. In order throughout the 18 season - AJM NP JA.
3rdand12 Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 2 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: A desperate move by a failing OC trying to assign the blame to anyone but himself. perhaps. it was a Dennison-ey move for sure though. I am going to ponder hiring a bit longer. Any body think Brian and BeanesDermott ever had a chat a bout what ifs ?? with Brian well before his hiring ? Like maybe before Bills acquired Rico ... Daboll knows what he wants to do at QB. Peterman and AJ are certainly comparable enough to design a very similar offense for that play to their strengths. Allen is actually the wildcard i think.
Kirby Jackson Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, HappyDays said: You may have made up your mind on him but McDermott hasn't. And that's really what this discussion is about. They're going to name the starter during training camp, this isn't a redux of the Tyrod/EJ/Cassel competition that went until the end of preseason. The fact that Peterman is still taking first team reps means he is very much in contention. I would wager he and McCarron have an equal chance to be the starter, and that their cumulative chances are better than Allen's. If we're only keeping 2 QBs and McCarron doesn't definitively separate himself from Peterman I don't see how he makes the team. I was responding to a passive aggressive post saying that some people have made up their minds on him. I’m not going to hide from my opinion. I hope that I’m wrong. They will name the starter whenever the time is right. We are so far from actual games mattering. There is no reason or to wait. They are rotating reps now. The plan is to get Allen ready to be the guy. That may be day 1 or 2018 or day 1 or 2019. They aren’t going to sacrifice any of his development to get someone else ready. His development is the single most important thing on this team. It takes priority over everything else. They aren’t cutting McCarron. If anything, he gets traded.
3rdand12 Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said: Thanks for the laugh. Kirby's clipped toenails know more football than a lot of Bills fans. you could come up with a better analogy ? I don't even know Kirby. but wtf are his clipped toenails doing in this ? disgusting , both of you. reported 1
Kirby Jackson Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Yet you think Allen has a shot with zero games? As I’ve said. In order throughout the 18 season - AJM NP JA. I don’t have Allen way behind a guy that has been picked in 6 of his 52 pass attempts or a guy with less than a handful of starts. Experience isn’t a factor at all in this qb battle. Allen’s development is the only consideration. They are trying to set him up to succeed. If he isn’t ready day 1 he won’t play. If he isn’t ready week 14, he won’t play. If he is ready week 1, he will play. If he is ready week 14, he will play. That is the entire plan. Put Allen in position to succeed and let everything else fall into place.
Aussie Joe Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 22 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’m assuming that I am one of those posters that you are referring to? Yes, I have made up my mind that he will never be a good NFL QB. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong but I’ve seen enough to believe that I will be right. I hope he turns into Aaron Rodgers. I just don’t see it. I don’t care to be right. I care that the Bills win. Ok great... You have an opinion like all of us but I assume you are not right 100% of the time.. If you are than your opinions are wasted here... I also think it is possible for a QB to improve, particularly a rookie going from his first season to the next.. Do you? In respect of Week 1, I don't care who the QB is provided that person is the best option on the team at the point in time.. If that's Peterman than fine by me...
3rdand12 Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 57 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Tuel was the player who finally put the nails in Jerky Sullivan's coffin for me. After a decent outing in a preseason game, worthy of some mention, Sullivan wrote of 'some third string guy whose name I couldn't be bothered to remember'. Trying for the cool sportswriter who's seen it all before attitude. Instead, he came off as the jerk on the barstool 3 spaces down. Tuel never panned out as an NFL talent, but he was good for showing me what a talentless f*** Sullivan is. Don't recall those details. but chuckled any ways. sully doing sully. I liked Tuel. I am not ashamed to say it.. Bills have NEVER had a QB whisperer. Gailey might get a positive rating with Fitz , but that is about it. Can the current staff actually Coach any of these guys up ?
Kirby Jackson Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 Just now, Aussie Joe said: Ok great... You have an opinion like all of us but I assume you are not right 100% of the time.. If you are than your opinions are wasted here... I also think it is possible for a QB to improve, particularly a rookie going from his first season to the next.. Do you? In respect of Week 1, I don't care who the QB is provided that person is the best option on the team at the point in time.. If that's Peterman than fine by me... It is possible to improve and it looks like he has. I’m certainly not always right and never claimed to be. I do have an issue with your passive aggressive approach. If you want to challenge people on their opinions, go for it. Don’t say this: Can I say though, that it seems to me that there are a couple of posters here that have already made up their minds about him and it appears that their hubris dictates that they would rather be right about their opinion than have him improve for the betterment of the team. If you have a problem with someone’s opinion address it. Questioning that anyone here, wants anything other than what is best for the Bills is absurd. I have posted 21,547 times in 5 1/2 years on this board. Do you really think that I’d rather be right than the team succeed?!?
3rdand12 Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Lfod said: The real mistake was starting him against the Chargers HC. A guy that has good knowledge of the Bills. this is an excellent point. Any Coach might well consider that factor ? So maybe just maybe it factored into why Nate started. was it announced late. I don't recall. Because i was quite surprised. Perhaps Bills were being too cute trying to outsmart Lynn ? reaching i know..
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