cd1 Posted May 30, 2018 Posted May 30, 2018 On 5/21/2018 at 8:58 PM, ColoradoBills said: There is always a chance he could. Seems to me more likely that McDermott and Beane would want to know if Peterman can become the long term backup to Allen in the way of Frank Reich. If Josh Allen is starting in 2019 then McCarron no doubt would want to be traded. ^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^
Rocky Landing Posted May 30, 2018 Posted May 30, 2018 (edited) On May 21, 2018 at 5:58 PM, ColoradoBills said: There is always a chance he could. Seems to me more likely that McDermott and Beane would want to know if Peterman can become the long term backup to Allen in the way of Frank Reich. If Josh Allen is starting in 2019 then McCarron no doubt would want to be traded. 35 minutes ago, cd1 said: ^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^ If McD makes the same mistake he made in Los Angeles, and starts Peterman just to see if they have a viable backup for the following year, I may literally throw up. Edited May 30, 2018 by Rocky Landing 1
cd1 Posted May 30, 2018 Posted May 30, 2018 37 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: If McD makes the same mistake he made in Los Angeles, and starts Peterman just to see if they have a viable backup for the following year, I may literally throw up. Keep a bag near by. The kid deserves a chance and what happened in San Diego was a travesty. Coaches were to blame. No one believes Peterman will be the Bills franchise QB - NO ONE. There are just folks here that would like to see him get the chance he deserves. He may just end up being a very good back-up QB.
Rocky Landing Posted May 30, 2018 Posted May 30, 2018 31 minutes ago, cd1 said: Keep a bag near by. The kid deserves a chance and what happened in San Diego was a travesty. Coaches were to blame. No one believes Peterman will be the Bills franchise QB - NO ONE. There are just folks here that would like to see him get the chance he deserves. He may just end up being a very good back-up QB. Starting Peterman to see if he can be a backup, because McCarron won't want to be one a year from now, is insane. If that were the reasoning at OBD, then why the hell would they have signed McCarron in the first place? And, putting 100% of the blame on the coaches for Peterman's historically bad football is disingenuous, at best. That was Peterman out there. He had his chance. 1
Lfod Posted May 30, 2018 Posted May 30, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rocky Landing said: If McD makes the same mistake he made in Los Angeles, and starts Peterman just to see if they have a viable backup for the following year, I may literally throw up. I don't think it was a mistake. Tyrod needed to be benched. It felt real good. I appreciate the benching a lot. I'll enjoy seeing him benched again in Cleveland next season. It effected nothing. We got to see what we had in Peterman and Tyrod still got to play his 3 point playoff game. 3 point games and 5 interception games. Not a whole lot going on in either direction but at least I got to look both ways. I'll never have to wonder. I'll never have to say well what if we started Peterman!!?!?! 57 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: Starting Peterman to see if he can be a backup, because McCarron won't want to be one a year from now, is insane. If that were the reasoning at OBD, then why the hell would they have signed McCarron in the first place? And, putting 100% of the blame on the coaches for Peterman's historically bad football is disingenuous, at best. That was Peterman out there. He had his chance. The only way AJ will stick around is if he moves the chains and scores points. Until that happens he is just a cheap option that will hold the fort down until the team finds a QB that can. There is no commitment to Peterman, AJ or Allen. I only hope we commit to the guy that can play QB like a boss. Why anybody cares about how a guy feels in the future who hasn't even played a game yet for the Bills is mind boggling. Whoever plays QB like a Boss will get what they want. They will have some say about things if and when that happens. This is a earn it first culture now. Besides anybody playing the position adequately isn't getting benched. Tyrod wasn't plain and simple fact. So he got benched. Peterman sucking didn't make Tyrod good it just made him better then a guy throwing 5 interceptions that is all. Edited May 30, 2018 by Lfod 2
Augie Posted May 30, 2018 Posted May 30, 2018 I don’t gamble, but now that it’s legal, this is one I’d look into. I’d feel pretty confident, despite liking Mr Peterman more than most.
benderbender Posted May 30, 2018 Posted May 30, 2018 I’m excited to see who comes out on top. All 3 say the right things and seem have what it takes to lead. AJ seems to have a chip on his shoulder and I think he’s the most motivated of the group. He seems to be very aware that this year is his best shot to start. Allen seems unphased by any situation. He handled the expectations and draft day craziness very well. I hope he can handle the blitz as calmly. Whatever you think of Peterman, you have to admit that he is determined.
Boca BIlls Posted May 30, 2018 Posted May 30, 2018 21 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Really?? Tis the season for crazy hot takes It's the truth actually. The worst QB gets the first crack before the system gets put into place.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 30, 2018 Posted May 30, 2018 On 5/21/2018 at 8:16 PM, ColoradoBills said: It was a very bad decision and I hope that McDermott learned from it. Peterman should of never started that game. I was in the group that believed as bad as TT was playing during the stretch he should of still started but been put on a shorter and shorter leash. Peterman did well the week before against NO and he may have been better in relief of TT (if it was necessary) in the LAC game. The thing that I wonder about is.............does having a very poor performance like Peterman did against LAC affect his development/career? ...it certainly was bud.....probably my unsubstantiated opinion, but I STILL think Dennison was behind the decision and McD caved....Dennison's TT game plans were wildly inconsistent which perhaps TT's inconsistency fueled the frustration....the Peterman kid did show some cerebral promise and I think he'll bounce back.....just a hunch...
3rdand12 Posted May 30, 2018 Posted May 30, 2018 20 hours ago, cd1 said: Keep a bag near by. The kid deserves a chance and what happened in San Diego was a travesty. Coaches were to blame. No one believes Peterman will be the Bills franchise QB - NO ONE. There are just folks here that would like to see him get the chance he deserves. He may just end up being a very good back-up QB. lets see how he fares in preseason. You do not put a QB in the real season when it counts just to see how he does. Coaching sure as hell better know that well before hand ! Dennison must have really pushed the issue in his frustration as a suckefestival OC in Bufflo and McB were weak and gave in to his Peterman fetish ! BTW AJM knew what he was getting into. A Fair shake but certainly knew he was not getting paid to be the long term starter unless he earned it. I too would be baffled and unsteady, perhaps even aghast if Peterman started the Season. I do like the Kid BTW : ) 20 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...it certainly was bud.....probably my unsubstantiated opinion, but I STILL think Dennison was behind the decision and McD caved....Dennison's TT game plans were wildly inconsistent which perhaps TT's inconsistency fueled the frustration....the Peterman kid did show some cerebral promise and I think he'll bounce back.....just a hunch... how the heck did you beat me to this ! in regard to the Dennison McB Peterman starting fiasco. well done.
reddogblitz Posted May 30, 2018 Posted May 30, 2018 I think there's a greater chance that Nasty Nate starts FOR the Ravens against us than him starting FOR us. 1
reddogblitz Posted May 30, 2018 Posted May 30, 2018 21 hours ago, cd1 said: The kid deserves a chance How so? Please explain. He had several chances last year and screwed the pooch each time (3). how many chances should he get?
SouthNYfan Posted May 31, 2018 Posted May 31, 2018 1 hour ago, reddogblitz said: How so? Please explain. He had several chances last year and screwed the pooch each time (3). how many chances should he get? Steve Young was pretty terrible his first two seasons in Tampa, fwiw
BurpleBull Posted May 31, 2018 Author Posted May 31, 2018 48 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: How so? Please explain. He had several chances last year and screwed the pooch each time (3). how many chances should he get? Spoken like a guy who could care less about the coaches doing their due diligence to find the guy best suited for the starting job. You know good and well that if Peterman were drafted 7th overall you wouldn't consider one start against a sack-happy defensive unit, three passes against a very tough Jags defense while filling-in during a late game situation, for your injured starting QB, who could only lead the offense to three points all game, and 52 pass attempts overall as reason enough to write off a rookie QB. Peterman posted a QB rating of 100 twice, while throwing for a score in those games. Tyrod Taylor bombed in the Patriots game, but it can be said that Peterman was the more productive QB in that game, even if his numbers weren't significantly better. Peterman was a rookie...Taylor was not. Peterman's "several chances" came during limited action as a rookie playing under a dreadful offensive coordinator and you know it. It's absurd of you to suggest that any QB on the Bills roster, should be denied the opportunity of displaying improvement from one season to the next and denied the opportunity to compete for a starting job...especially one who was a rookie just a season ago. 1
cd1 Posted May 31, 2018 Posted May 31, 2018 1 hour ago, reddogblitz said: How so? Please explain. He had several chances last year and screwed the pooch each time (3). how many chances should he get? How many chances did your guy Tyrod get? You are just being rediculous.
reddogblitz Posted May 31, 2018 Posted May 31, 2018 15 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Steve Young was pretty terrible his first two seasons in Tampa, fwiw EJ was pretty terrible his first two seasons in Buffalo, fwiw JP was pretty terrible his first two seasons in Buffalo, fwiw Jamarcus Russell was pretty terrible his first two seasons in Oakland, fwiw Ryan Leaf was pretty terrible his first two seasons in San Diego, fwiw Joey Harrington was pretty terrible his first two seasons in Detrit, fwiw Byron Leftwich was pretty terrible his first two seasons in Jacksonville, fwiw Danny Wuerffel was pretty terrible his first two seasons in New Orleans, fwiw Jake Locker was pretty terrible his first two seasons in Tennessee, fwiw Matt Lienert was pretty terrible his first two seasons in Arizona, fwiw Kelly Stouffer was pretty terrible his first two seasons in Seattle, fwiw
reddogblitz Posted May 31, 2018 Posted May 31, 2018 2 hours ago, BurpleBull said: Spoken like a guy who could care less about the coaches doing their due diligence to find the guy best suited for the starting job. are we really doing "due diligence " by sticking with a guy that completes about 1/2 of his passes and fumbles a lot and throws a lot of picks? There are only so many backup QB slots available, actually only one. Is going with Nasty Nate our best bang for the buck? I would question it, but the brain trust is all in. We'll see. Should be fun
SouthNYfan Posted May 31, 2018 Posted May 31, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, reddogblitz said: EJ was pretty terrible his first two seasons in Buffalo, fwiw JP was pretty terrible his first two seasons in Buffalo, fwiw Jamarcus Russell was pretty terrible his first two seasons in Oakland, fwiw Ryan Leaf was pretty terrible his first two seasons in San Diego, fwiw Joey Harrington was pretty terrible his first two seasons in Detrit, fwiw Byron Leftwich was pretty terrible his first two seasons in Jacksonville, fwiw Danny Wuerffel was pretty terrible his first two seasons in New Orleans, fwiw Jake Locker was pretty terrible his first two seasons in Tennessee, fwiw Matt Lienert was pretty terrible his first two seasons in Arizona, fwiw Kelly Stouffer was pretty terrible his first two seasons in Seattle, fwiw Yep. They were. There are many great QBs who were also terrible in their first two seasons. Would I bet the future on him? No way. Your assertion that he doesn't even deserve a chance based on such a small sample size is not backed by history as a whole. Almost all QBs were dogsh*t at first. No need to add the condescending "fwiw" after every line, since mine was in no way condescending. Are you upset somebody doesn't agree with you? Edited May 31, 2018 by SouthNYfan
Kirby Jackson Posted May 31, 2018 Posted May 31, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, cd1 said: How many chances did your guy Tyrod get? You are just being rediculous. You get chances when you are decent. That’s why someone is paying him $18M (or whatever). You don’t get a lot of chances when you are terrible. How many chances did Levi Brown get? Jeff Tuel? Gibran Hamadan? Brian Brohm? Those are the guys comparable to Peterman as prospects. He’s been given a much bigger opportunity than other late round picks that played terribly. With all of that being said it isn’t going to matter if Chris Simms’ report is right. Allen will be out there early, McCarron next and Peterman fighting for a roster spot in the NFL. Edited May 31, 2018 by Kirby Jackson
cd1 Posted May 31, 2018 Posted May 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: You get chances when you are decent. That’s why someone is paying him $18M (or whatever). You don’t get a lot of chances when you are terrible. How many chances did Levi Brown get? Jeff Tuel? Gibran Hamadan? Brian Brohm? Those are the guys comparable to Peterman as prospects. He’s been given a much bigger opportunity the other late round picks that played terribly. With all of that being said it isn’t going to matter if Chris Simms’ report is right. Allen will be out there early, McCarron next and Peterman fighting for a roster spot in the NFL. Who has gotten LESS than half a game? Regardless of the results, Peterman deserves the opportunity to compete! It is almost like some of you folks are afraid to let him compete because he will have the chance to prove you wrong. FEAR is a funny thing...
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