reddogblitz Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 13 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Don't forget his stupid decision to try throwing the football 2 yards beyond the LOS and getting a penalty that results in loss of down (But no incomplete pass to hurt those stats!!!) with a 3rd and massively long. nasty Nate gets more penalties on him than any other QB I've ever seen. He had one in the playoff game and pretty sure he got one called on him in the snow game.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said: That was Tasker who is always wrong. Just do yourself a favor and look at the play yourself. There are three total receivers to the right and three total defenders. To the left there is the safety and more defenders than receivers. Unless you want to give Peterman credit for being able to count to four, there was no sleuthing going on when he was reading the defense. If you go watch the play and come back here and try to explain why that was some really smart play it will be embarrassing. That was the only play. As soon as Peterman dropped back instantly he saw O'Leary's guy blitzing and O'Leary completely uncovered. It was a high school play. It wasn’t Tasker. The game announcers were not the local Bills announcers. My post want about any blind support of Nate. More to the issue of people no longer giving the kid any credit.
Warcodered Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 Just now, ShadyBillsFan said: It wasn’t Tasker. The game announcers were not the local Bills announcers. My post want about any blind support of Nate. More to the issue of people no longer giving the kid any credit. I thought there were different announcers depending on where you watched it.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 Just now, Warcodered said: I thought there were different announcers depending on where you watched it. There are. The broadcast was from Cleveland and being in Virginia I got the “local” Cleveland team.
BurpleBull Posted August 19, 2018 Author Posted August 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said: That was Tasker who is always wrong. Just do yourself a favor and look at the play yourself. There are three total receivers to the right and three total defenders. To the left there is the safety and more defenders than receivers. Unless you want to give Peterman credit for being able to count to four, there was no sleuthing going on when he was reading the defense. If you go watch the play and come back here and try to explain why that was some really smart play it will be embarrassing. That was the only play. As soon as Peterman dropped back instantly he saw O'Leary's guy blitzing and O'Leary completely uncovered. It was a high school play. For an eight year old. For an eight year old. 1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said: That was Tasker who is always wrong. Just do yourself a favor and look at the play yourself. There are three total receivers to the right and three total defenders. To the left there is the safety and more defenders than receivers. Unless you want to give Peterman credit for being able to count to four, there was no sleuthing going on when he was reading the defense. If you go watch the play and come back here and try to explain why that was some really smart play it will be embarrassing. That was the only play. As soon as Peterman dropped back instantly he saw O'Leary's guy blitzing and O'Leary completely uncovered. It was a high school play. For an eight year old. For an eight year old. Imagine that, one Peterman supporter and one QB-neutral Bills' fan, we both picked out the same piece in your comment that illustrates Peterman's recognition of the busted play...and of course your take overrides both. You also failed to answer the question I posed in response in to your post: Was the 'stupid 3 yard pass' to a covered receiver on 3rd and 6, before or after he brought the team back through the air?
Steptide Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 I've said, and I'll stick to it, that whoever gives us the best chance to win should start at qb. Having said that, if Allen had Peterman's stats this pre season, people would be crowning him the next Brady. If Peterman never started that Chargers game last year and had the same stats this pre season, people would be in love with him. That Chargers game left an un healable scar for alot of fans. I'm convinced at this point that there is absolutely nothing Peterman could do that would change some fans minds 1
BullBuchanan Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 https://www.buffalobills.com/video/sean-mcdermott-a-step-in-the-right-direction 1:27 Tells me all I need to know about McDermott's thought process. "He made the guys around him better". Before the game he said he wanted to see if Nate could elevate the guys around him. The fact that NP came in with he 3rd unit in the second Half told me it was likely he was trying to cement his choice about who should be #1 by seeing if NP could command a bunch of guys that wouldn't be on the team. McCarron and Josh Allen were auditioning for #2 unless NP fell apart.
Warcodered Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: https://www.buffalobills.com/video/sean-mcdermott-a-step-in-the-right-direction 1:27 Tells me all I need to know about McDermott's thought process. "He made the guys around him better". Before the game he said he wanted to see if Nate could elevate the guys around him. The fact that NP came in with he 3rd unit in the second Half told me it was likely he was trying to cement his choice about who should be #1 by seeing if NP could command a bunch of guys that wouldn't be on the team. McCarron and Josh Allen were auditioning for #2 unless NP fell apart. what?
Kelly the Dog Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, Warcodered said: I thought there were different announcers depending on where you watched it. NFL Network doesn't have a crew per se for these games. They just take the local broadcasts from each team. Sometimes they even split them up between halves. If it wasn't Tasker talking on the play it was Bernie Kosar the Cleveland local preseason analyst or the play by play guy. Regardless, it was not any kind of difficult read for anyone.
BullBuchanan Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, Warcodered said: what? Read slower. You'll get it. 1
Kelly the Dog Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: It wasn’t Tasker. The game announcers were not the local Bills announcers. My post want about any blind support of Nate. More to the issue of people no longer giving the kid any credit. I give him credit where I believe it is warranted. He doesn't deserve any special credit on that particular play if you watch it with your own eyes. He threw a couple very nice passes in the game. One to O'Leary that was not the TD play and one to Proehl on the sideline. He also made a bunch of mistakes.
BurpleBull Posted August 19, 2018 Author Posted August 19, 2018 33 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: What false reality? Is this a joke? I'm going to pretend I'm you... this is how stats lie: Brah, Peterman completed 80% of his pass attempts (double digit pass attempts, too!!!) and averaged 11.3 YPA all while throwing for a TD and NO PICKS!!! And he was only sacked once!!! His passer rating was off the charts!!! 147.1!!! That's the false reality Peterman's stats reflect, and if you think those stats are an accurate reflection of how good he was or what McDermott actually is weighing in his evaluation, you don't know football. You lost me at "Brah". I think this actually serves as a window into your reality. We're halfway through the Preseason!!! Predict who wins the starting QB job for Week 1 Multiple exclamation points ??? Check. Those numbers do in fact reflect reality...brah.
Kelly the Dog Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 10 minutes ago, Steptide said: I've said, and I'll stick to it, that whoever gives us the best chance to win should start at qb. Having said that, if Allen had Peterman's stats this pre season, people would be crowning him the next Brady. If Peterman never started that Chargers game last year and had the same stats this pre season, people would be in love with him. That Chargers game left an un healable scar for alot of fans. I'm convinced at this point that there is absolutely nothing Peterman could do that would change some fans minds That's ridiculous. Stats tell only a small part of the story. People are not going crazy over Peterman's stats because of the kinds of throws he made and didn't make. If he threw some balls down the field or showed he could throw a deep out or deep dig then they would be giving him credit because he would have been showing things he hadn't shown before. We know he can do what he has been doing the two games. That's what's he's very good at. It's the stuff that a lot of fans think he hasn't shown or cannot do that he hasn't thrown. If all Allen has done is shown one thing, even if it was a deep ball there would be criticism of him. Like their was Tyrod. But Allen has already shown he can throw left, right or over the middle. Short, medium and long. Rolling left, right or in the pocket. He's shown it all. Nate has shown much less. He's done the same thing a bunch of times, stuff we knew he could do. 17 minutes ago, BurpleBull said: Was the 'stupid 3 yard pass' to a covered receiver on 3rd and 6, before or after he brought the team back through the air? I didn't answer it because it makes no difference and has nothing to do with anything. It would have been a dumb play before, during or after the lead change. It forced a punt. And it was only his third or fourth worse mistake.
BullBuchanan Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: That's ridiculous. Stats tell only a small part of the story. People are not going crazy over Peterman's stats because of the kinds of throws he made and didn't make. If he threw some balls down the field or showed he could throw a deep out or deep dig then they would be giving him credit because he would have been showing things he hadn't shown before. We know he can do what he has been doing the two games. That's what's he's very good at. It's the stuff that a lot of fans think he hasn't shown or cannot do that he hasn't thrown. If all Allen has done is shown one thing, even if it was a deep ball there would be criticism of him. Like their was Tyrod. But Allen has already shown he can throw left, right or over the middle. Short, medium and long. Rolling left, right or in the pocket. He's shown it all. Nate has shown much less. He's done the same thing a bunch of times, stuff we knew he could do. The !@#$ing deep-out again. I swear to god, it's been mentioned more in this thread than in the entirety of human history. I had no idea a 10 yard sideline pass was the holy grail of sports. Why even bother with a playbook, just run deep outs all game and may the best QB win. 1
Warcodered Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Read slower. You'll get it. I suppose I was having trouble understanding your wild assumption. I mean you came up with a reason why he was with the 3s but it didn't really make a lot of sense. From what I've been seeing the contest between AJ and Peterman was pretty neck and neck and it was AJ's turn in game 2. So that left the 2s and 3s but Allen had done well and people wanted to see him with and against better players so he got the 2s. That left the 3s for Peterman which seeing if he could elevate them any is about all you could look for with them.
BullBuchanan Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Warcodered said: I suppose I was having trouble understanding your wild assumption. I mean you came up with a reason why he was with the 3s but it didn't really make a lot of sense. From what I've been seeing the contest between AJ and Peterman was pretty neck and neck and it was AJ's turn in game 2. So that left the 2s and 3s but Allen had done well and people wanted to see him with and against better players so he got the 2s. That left the 3s for Peterman which seeing if he could elevate them any is about all you could look for with them. I got to that assumption because NP and AJ have been splitting #1 reps all off season with Allen getting minimal. Given game #3 is usually a dress rehearsal. game 2 is your last shot to get a look. Given Nate played well against the 1s last week, you really had 2 choices about how to play him this week. You could either start him again/split with McCarron to give a fair look, or let JA get his reps and see if Nate could perform without starting talent around him. The only other possible explanation for Nate getting 3rd team reps would be that McD already made up his mind he's out of the competition, which i would consider HIGHLY unlikely given all play to this point. There's not a lot you can learn from 3rd team reps besides does the guy make others better or does poor talent drag him down . Edited August 19, 2018 by BullBuchanan
BurpleBull Posted August 19, 2018 Author Posted August 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: That's ridiculous. Stats tell only a small part of the story. People are not going crazy over Peterman's stats because of the kinds of throws he made and didn't make. If he threw some balls down the field or showed he could throw a deep out or deep dig then they would be giving him credit because he would have been showing things he hadn't shown before. We know he can do what he has been doing the two games. That's what's he's very good at. It's the stuff that a lot of fans think he hasn't shown or cannot do that he hasn't thrown. If all Allen has done is shown one thing, even if it was a deep ball there would be criticism of him. Like their was Tyrod. But Allen has already shown he can throw left, right or over the middle. Short, medium and long. Rolling left, right or in the pocket. He's shown it all. Nate has shown much less. He's done the same thing a bunch of times, stuff we knew he could do. I didn't answer it because it makes no difference and has nothing to do with anything. It would have been a dumb play before, during or after the lead change. It forced a punt. And it was only his third or fourth worse mistake. Oh, so now you've moved on to bigger and better things, like determining what questions are and are not relevant in a discussion. I'll go back and pull it up for myself.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 Mike Rodak ESPN Staff Writer Nathan Peterman took the initial snap of individual drills in Bills practice Sunday, followed by Josh Allen. Reporters cannot watch 11-on-11 drills starting Sunday, but it is logical to assume Peterman will continue to lead the first-team offense for at least part of practice. AJ McCarron (right shoulder) is not practicing Sunday, along with DT Kyle Williams (knee).
Lfod Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: The !@#$ing deep-out again. I swear to god, it's been mentioned more in this thread than in the entirety of human history. I had no idea a 10 yard sideline pass was the holy grail of sports. Why even bother with a playbook, just run deep outs all game and may the best QB win. I'm not sure Peterman was going to have time for anything but dink and dunk. If he can play the same way during the season and it leads to points then it won't matter. Defense always plans to take away your strength. Edited August 19, 2018 by Lfod
Warcodered Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Mike Rodak ESPN Staff Writer Nathan Peterman took the initial snap of individual drills in Bills practice Sunday, followed by Josh Allen. Reporters cannot watch 11-on-11 drills starting Sunday, but it is logical to assume Peterman will continue to lead the first-team offense for at least part of practice. AJ McCarron (right shoulder) is not practicing Sunday, along with DT Kyle Williams (knee). There is an interview with Micah Hyde where he talks about Allen playing with the 1s today as well. Edited August 19, 2018 by Warcodered 1
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