Kelly the Dog Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 45 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: I was watching a highlight of the play earlier and this may be unknown to you but the announcer said Nate was smart enough to recognize the blown coverage and make a great play! Saying everything good Nate does is pure luck is disingenuous to yourself and others who will listen. We all have to bide our time until Josh proves he is the unquestioned starter. That was Tasker who is always wrong. Just do yourself a favor and look at the play yourself. There are three total receivers to the right and three total defenders. To the left there is the safety and more defenders than receivers. Unless you want to give Peterman credit for being able to count to four, there was no sleuthing going on when he was reading the defense. If you go watch the play and come back here and try to explain why that was some really smart play it will be embarrassing. That was the only play. As soon as Peterman dropped back instantly he saw O'Leary's guy blitzing and O'Leary completely uncovered. It was a high school play. 7 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said: I have no dog in this fight, but the 2nd sentence in bold would be the definition of recognition. Jus sayin. For an eight year old. 19 minutes ago, BurpleBull said: This pretty much illustrates the recognition of a defensive weakness. For an eight year old.
berg1029 Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 I'd really like to see Peterman pump faking a lot more. Let's use CB aggression while he's on the field to our advantage 2
Magox Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 Peterman's infamous 5 pick half has left a lasting impression on many fans and it's difficult to combat those opinions because it was 5 freaking picks in a half!! With that said, he is better than what his detractors think he is. Peterman will not be out of the NFL any time soon and I think there is a really good chance that he becomes a quality backup QB who will get an opportunity to start one day in the NFL with another team not named Buffalo. He is a rhythm passer and in the right system he can be effective. Im glad that hes playing well right now and I think there is a 50/50 chance that he starts. Allen obviously has lots more upside and is certainly the future and maybe even the present but I wouldn't feel too bad with Peterman starting the year. My hopes are that Allen starts the 1st half this next week with peterman getting the second half. If Allen plays well I think he should be the starter for week 1.
jaybee Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 Two good QB's is a nice problem. Clearly Josh has a higher ceiling. But.....at the moment....Nathan has a better "command" of the offense. No surprise there he's got a full year under his belt. I'd be very happy with either as the week 1 starter and I'll continue to route for both (and AJ too) because I'm a fan of the Buffalo Bills. Rather than argue senselessly just take solace in that we are WAY better off than we were just 1 year ago at the QB position. If the season started tomorrow I believe Peterman would be the guy despite what media is force feeding us on Josh's beautifully thrown long-ball incomplete passes. Josh will get there but to call Nathan Peterman a "Scrub" speaks volumes of certain posters on this message board. Either QB will be fine.....and..... to be realistic we're probably a .500 team this year. (man I hope I'm wrong there) Playing Josh and getting him injury crippled is a high rish endeavor behind what appears to be a weak O-line. McD is too smart for that though. 1
Lfod Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, RussellDopeland said: Peterman may very well be the starter week 1. And irregardless of how well he may be performing at the moment, we know what the regular season will entail: Eight defenders in the box to stop Shady. A flat-footed Peterman missing targets. Passes tipped at the line. Peterman focused on the oncoming rush, and failing to look downfield. Peterman locking on to one target, and failing to go through his progressions. Peterman holding the ball far too long, exacerbating the blocking issues this unit already has, leading to avoidable sacks. Poor throws leading to receivers potentially being at risk of injury. And, of course, turnovers aplenty- interceptions, fumbles, etc..We've seen this crap before- Peterman is just another in a long-line of mediocrities the Bills have been trotting out since Todd Collins. The sooner Allen plays, the better. Who cares if they go 4-12; get Allen out there and let him learn. Your post is an example of going almost hysterical. I won't deny he has flaws in his game but you would deny he has had a good showing in preseason. I disagree with you. I don't think Peterman is as bad as you think. He hasn't looked lost in preseason. I did see that trademark tipped pass for the interception. Those would happen in live games. I can agree with some criticism of Peterman. Just to the level he sucks so bad then why is he almost perfect in preseason... If Josh Allen is the man he will take the job. No need to sweat Perfect Peterman in Preseason. Hey Peterman go run the starting team to a TD. Done. Hey go lead the worst part of the team to a TD. Ok done. Edited August 19, 2018 by Lfod 1
Curt Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 Not that it matters much but we should remind everyone that the first pick against the Chargers was 100% the WR's fault. It doesn't change that it was an awful game by Peterman but it should've been a 4 pick game not a 5 pick game. 1
BullBuchanan Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Curt said: Not that it matters much but we should remind everyone that the first pick against the Chargers was 100% the WR's fault. It doesn't change that it was an awful game by Peterman but it should've been a 4 pick game not a 5 pick game. As was a jumbled ball by Patrick Dimarco. He proved his uselessness that game.
Curt Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: As was a jumbled ball by Patrick Dimarco. He proved his uselessness that game. Peterman was moving the chains, then he made a terrific nice pass up to the middle that ended up being intercepted because of the WR (Benjamin???) and clearly saw that it took a toll on him as a rookie, on his first start and he was not the same thereafter. I was at the Stubhub Center sitting in the stadium BTW. Edited August 19, 2018 by Curt
Lfod Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Curt said: Not that it matters much but we should remind everyone that the first pick against the Chargers was 100% the WR's fault. It doesn't change that it was an awful game by Peterman but it should've been a 4 pick game not a 5 pick game. I like Peterman. He has a special talent I believe. His style of play will lead to interceptions. Only it won't matter if he connects more than not and it leads to points. I think he has shown in preseason to be adequate. If Josh Allen wants to rise up and take the job so be it. I don't think you sleep on Perfect Peterman. Edited August 19, 2018 by Lfod
Curt Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 Josh Allen is 100% the future of the Bills but for 2018 I would go with Peterman (Until McCarron comes back).
transplantbillsfan Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 2 hours ago, BurpleBull said: How do Peterman's stats reflect a false reality and what is that false reality? Are you suggesting that more has been added onto Allen's plate than Peterman's by the coaches? What false reality? Is this a joke? I'm going to pretend I'm you... this is how stats lie: Brah, Peterman completed 80% of his pass attempts (double digit pass attempts, too!!!) and averaged 11.3 YPA all while throwing for a TD and NO PICKS!!! And he was only sacked once!!! His passer rating was off the charts!!! 147.1!!! That's the false reality Peterman's stats reflect, and if you think those stats are an accurate reflection of how good he was or what McDermott actually is weighing in his evaluation, you don't know football. 1
BullBuchanan Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said: What false reality? Is this a joke? I'm going to pretend I'm you... this is how stats lie: Brah, Peterman completed 80% of his pass attempts (double digit pass attempts, too!!!) and averaged 11.3 YPA all while throwing for a TD and NO PICKS!!! And he was only sacked once!!! His passer rating was off the charts!!! 147.1!!! That's the false reality Peterman's stats reflect, and if you think those stats are an accurate reflection of how good he was or what McDermott actually is weighing in his evaluation, you don't know football. Pathetic. Peterman 85% over two games - leading effective drives against a great Carolina D, and lifting his 3rd string scrubs above their level against Cleveland. yeah, but he's garbage. Meanwhile Allen goes 48% against Carolina's 3rd team, not elevating anyone ont hat unit, and beats up on the 2nd string Browns who just went 0-16, but he's Jesus. How pathetically delusional. You don't have to say Peterman is a great player to acknowledge he's had a phenomenal pre-season by any standard. Your fanboysim is so juvenile. 1
Lfod Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: What false reality? Is this a joke? I'm going to pretend I'm you... this is how stats lie: Brah, Peterman completed 80% of his pass attempts (double digit pass attempts, too!!!) and averaged 11.3 YPA all while throwing for a TD and NO PICKS!!! And he was only sacked once!!! His passer rating was off the charts!!! 147.1!!! That's the false reality Peterman's stats reflect, and if you think those stats are an accurate reflection of how good he was or what McDermott actually is weighing in his evaluation, you don't know football. I seen Peterman avoid pressure and make a nice throw to Kelvin Benjamin on the sideline. I seen the line getting pushed back on his drives but his quick pass negated it. Then I seen AJ get destroyed and I didn't think he played great in his first game. I'll tell you something, Josh Allen is looking good buddy. Just Peterman isn't so bad or lucky. He gets the job done and it's adequate.
transplantbillsfan Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: One way is throwing an easy 4 yard pass to a wide open TE that wasn't covered that Gerhard DeBeer could have easily completed and getting credit for a 35 yard TD. Another way is throwing a stupid 3 yard pass to a covered receiver on 3rd and 6 that counts as a completion to your great % but is a lousy decision and play. Don't forget his stupid decision to try throwing the football 2 yards beyond the LOS and getting a penalty that results in loss of down (But no incomplete pass to hurt those stats!!!) with a 3rd and massively long. Or the next stupid decision on the very next play on 3rd and long to scramble for 3 yards rather than trying to throw for the 1st down. No incomplete pass there, either, plus 3 yards in the positive on the ground for his rushing stats... PUNT. A 3 & out drive that consisted of 1 incomplete pass (the awful sideline one that shoulda been picked) and 3 rushing yards despite the fact that the reality there is that Peterman was AWFUL. 1
eball Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Lfod said: I seen Peterman avoid pressure and make a nice throw to Kelvin Benjamin on the sideline. I seen the line getting pushed back on his drives but his quick pass negated it. Then I seen AJ get destroyed and I didn't think he played great in his first game. I'll tell you something, Josh Allen is looking good buddy. Just Peterman isn't so bad or lucky. He gets the job done and it's adequate. “I seen?”
BullBuchanan Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 Just now, eball said: “I seen?” It's a Buffalo thing. I'm not sure where they learned it.
transplantbillsfan Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Pathetic. Peterman 85% over two games - leading effective drives against a great Carolina D, and lifting his 3rd string scrubs above their level against Cleveland. yeah, but he's garbage. Meanwhile Allen goes 48% against Carolina's 3rd team, not elevating anyone ont hat unit, and beats up on the 2nd string Browns who just went 0-16, but he's Jesus. How pathetically delusional. You don't have to say Peterman is a great player to acknowledge he's had a phenomenal pre-season by any standard. Your fanboysim is so juvenile.
Lfod Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, eball said: “I seen?” I witnessed it through YouTube video on my mobile phone. Now give me a good job. Peterman made the payday throw. Edited August 19, 2018 by Lfod
reddogblitz Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 13 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Pathetic. Peterman 85% over two games - leading effective drives against a great Carolina D, and lifting his 3rd string scrubs above their level against Cleveland. yeah, but he's garbage. Meanwhile Allen goes 48% against Carolina's 3rd team, not elevating anyone ont hat unit, and beats up on the 2nd string Browns who just went 0-16, but he's Jesus. How pathetically delusional. You don't have to say Peterman is a great player to acknowledge he's had a phenomenal pre-season by any standard. Your fanboysim is so juvenile. Sing to melody of Jukebox Hero "He's a pre season hero" 1
Rocky Landing Posted August 19, 2018 Posted August 19, 2018 4 hours ago, BurpleBull said: Based on what? The Chargers' game from last year or is it the out route throw? Assuming both are named starters...Nathan Peterman vs. Tyrod Taylor. Right out the gate, I thought Peterman was better at going through his progressions and finding the open man than Taylor. That's kind of important. There is no question. Tyrod Taylor > Nathan Peterman. It isn't close. 2
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