SouthNYfan Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Heard a story that the JETS may be willing to trade Teddy B. Another option for Seattle, but TB will want to go where he has a chance at being a starter. 8 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Yeah, Teddy looks like he’s back. If I were the Broncos I’d pick up the phone yesterday and make that call. I think that the Jets can get a 2 for him which will make him a GREAT signing from their standpoint. He has to get traded somewhere. Good luck to whomever bets their future on that knee. Ticking timebomb.
Kirby Jackson Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 29 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Good luck to whomever bets their future on that knee. Ticking timebomb. Maybe so, but he has looked like his former self so far. He’s a better QB today than Case Keenum IMO. He could make some sense in Tampa as well. He would also be a good insurance policy for a team with a lot of talent like the LA teams or Pittsburgh. They can still contend with Teddy.
MDH Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 7 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: This is the dumbest thread in history. I really don't understand how anyone has given Peterman this much thought as an NFL starter. He's never going to be an NFL starter. Gunslinger mentality + Weak a$$ NFL arm = No chance to be a viable NFL starting QB Honestly even last year when he was also a preseason hero I said his arm was too weak to be an NFL starting QB. And then the Chargers half happened. Please stop this nonsense. Keep him as a backup. He's fine riding the pine... I think the Bills thought Allen would be fine as a starting QB the moment they drafted him considering the weak competition he was going against. How has the OP not shut this down? It’s the dumbest thread in history yet McDermott hasn’t counted Peterman out of the competition and from the looks of things Peterman is one bad outing from Allen this week of getting that week 1 start. Allen performs well this week and he likely starts. He sh*ts the bed and, like it or not, it’s probably Peterman. Not sure why so many Bills fans enjoy ripping one of their own players. It’s kinda crazy how fans sh*t on the guy no matter what he does. I hope Allen wins the job too but damn, all the hate for Peterman on this board is just nuts.
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 What's the over/under on this topic hitting 2500 replies by the start of the regular season? (There's a few of you thinking that...)
BurpleBull Posted August 22, 2018 Author Posted August 22, 2018 7 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: This is the dumbest thread in history. I really don't understand how anyone has given Peterman this much thought as an NFL starter. He's never going to be an NFL starter. Gunslinger mentality + Weak a$$ NFL arm = No chance to be a viable NFL starting QB Honestly even last year when he was also a preseason hero I said his arm was too weak to be an NFL starting QB. And then the Chargers half happened. Please stop this nonsense. Keep him as a backup. He's fine riding the pine... I think the Bills thought Allen would be fine as a starting QB the moment they drafted him considering the weak competition he was going against. How has the OP not shut this down? On 8/18/2018 at 11:08 PM, transplantbillsfan said: You're delusional. Peterman's 1st pass last night cemented the very fact that Peterman can NOT make all the NFL throws against NFL defenders. On 8/18/2018 at 11:36 PM, BurpleBull said: Just as you've cemented the fact that you're quick to make the snarky comment. Allen is the subject in that discussion, not Peterman. On 8/19/2018 at 12:11 AM, transplantbillsfan said: Ah, my mistake. It's a thread about Peterman so that's the reason for that misread... and a misread it was. Nonetheless, the fact that Peterman simply can't make all the NFL throws is exactly why I think he's a backup. On 8/19/2018 at 9:51 AM, BurpleBull said: I think the fact that Peterman is 24 years-old vs. 27 years-old, no frills to his game, yet very solid, is exactly why people are quick to dismiss or downplay a solid showing from him. Folks don't want there to be any challenge to Allen's throne...certainly not from another QB just two years his senior. When would 9-10/ 116 yds 1 TD and 8-10/ 113 yds 1 TD performances be accepted as solid outings from anyone outside of Josh Allen? If those stat lines came from an almost thirty-year-old, veteran 'bridge' QB, signed on a two-year deal. When wouldn't they? The answer is obvious. On 8/19/2018 at 1:04 PM, transplantbillsfan said: 24 vs 27??? Okay... Allen is 22 vs 24, and he's already better than the 24 year old who has a year on him in the NFL. Peterman's stats are are a fantastic example of why stats lie. His arm strength hasn't significantly improved, if it's improved at all, over last year. Without an absolutely dominant OL, Peterman will end up just getting eaten alive. He's generally done what he's been asked to do, but he's not being asked to do much at all, whereas level of difficulty for Allen has been higher and he's been successful. On 8/19/2018 at 1:12 PM, Bangarang said: He was referring to the ages of Peterman and AJM. How do you know what Peterman has or hasn’t been asked to do in comparison to Allen? Seems like you’re just speculating in an attempt to prop Allen up on some higher pedestal. Isn’t this speculative and conjecture stuff the kind of nonsense you would criticize so many people for doing to Tyrod? We all know Allen is the future. I don’t get why you feel the need to fight over scrubs like Peterman. Don’t be so insecure. Pot meet kettle?
Warcodered Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, BurpleBull said: Pot meet kettle? What? 1
SouthNYfan Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Maybe so, but he has looked like his former self so far. He’s a better QB today than Case Keenum IMO. He could make some sense in Tampa as well. He would also be a good insurance policy for a team with a lot of talent like the LA teams or Pittsburgh. They can still contend with Teddy. Definitely agree with you. He wants to be a starter. I don't think any team should bet the future on him. His knee might turn out fine, and I agree he looks great, but there are a few injuries that you just don't want to mess with, and that's one of them. I think Tampa, Pittsburgh, or the LA teams aren't good because they have QBs who he will not be starting ahead of, and as I said, he wants to start I think Denver is probably his best bet because of their QB situation, but like I said, long term, I wouldn't trust his knee.
Kirby Jackson Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Definitely agree with you. He wants to be a starter. I don't think any team should bet the future on him. His knee might turn out fine, and I agree he looks great, but there are a few injuries that you just don't want to mess with, and that's one of them. I think Tampa, Pittsburgh, or the LA teams aren't good because they have QBs who he will not be starting ahead of, and as I said, he wants to start I think Denver is probably his best bet because of their QB situation, but like I said, long term, I wouldn't trust his knee. Yeah, he’s a FA again after this year so he will have some freedom. It is a smart move for a team that is making a push now. 1
SouthNYfan Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Yeah, he’s a FA again after this year so he will have some freedom. It is a smart move for a team that is making a push now. Def agree? Long term no, but even those other teams you mentioned, I could see him as a viable backup this season. Either way, good luck to him, good guy, bad injury, bad luck
transplantbillsfan Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: true that. that is why there is an ignore feature. to bypass the koolaid drinkers and (continuous mildly) insulting posts If you took all "personal feelings" out of the equation and factored in the concept that McDermott may not want to rush the rookie in (as seen by last season) then the (only) logical choices were McCarron and Peterman. Ignore feature... huh? Yeah... you're doing a bang up job ignoring as you consistently directly quote me. 2 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said: theres more than one logical choice here. its not just mcarron or Peterman. I don't buy in that the concept you mentioned is what they are following. IMO they'll start allen if/when they deem him fit no matter how quick or long that takes, and that's the boat i'm on. I don't care if its week 1 or week 10.... i believe Peterman is an option but i want no part of it. i have absolutely no faith in his game when the bullets start to fly. if they think the rookie is ready count me in on that one. and FTR, while tranny is irritating, i find the "drinkers" a lot less annoying that the persistent pessimists. Well, FWIW, I was drinking when I made that post Scotch, not Kool Aid So that might have made the post a bit more belligerently hyperbolic than I intended. I should have emphasized that the stupidity is keeping this thread open at this point. This thread is just dumb at this point.
Stank_Nasty Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 28 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Ignore feature... huh? Yeah... you're doing a bang up job ignoring as you consistently directly quote me. Well, FWIW, I was drinking when I made that post Scotch, not Kool Aid So that might have made the post a bit more belligerently hyperbolic than I intended. I should have emphasized that the stupidity is keeping this thread open at this point. This thread is just dumb at this point. again, i disagree. a lot can happen in the next couple weeks.
reddogblitz Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, SouthNYfan said: Yep. I had moderate hopes. Not seeing it. I know it's "just preseason" etc but I just was not seeing anything I like from him when he was out there. Obviously I don't think np is the answer, regardless of how solid he's played this preseason, and am all in for Josh Allen, but I don't want him starting during the regular season until after the brutal dlines we have early season. I know there are those that disagree with me, that the best QB should be out there, and I do see that pov, but I just don't want to see Allen killed, although he might be forced to start anyway, since I'm pretty sure that np and aj will get decimated against those same dlines, since they don't move anywhere as well as Allen. It's a tough call, and I don't think I'd be upset with whichever way McD went. I thought AJ played very well vs Panthers and made some really nice plays and as Coach McDermott says "generated points". 10 points on 2 long drives. The 62 yard play was studly. I almost give him a Mulligan on Fridays game. First KB drops one in his bread basket. Then the horrible protection he got. Bernie Kosar said a few times with the pressure he was getting he had no chance to do anything. Writing him off at this point is very premature IMHO. Coach McDermott pretty much says the same for what thats worth. Edited August 22, 2018 by reddogblitz 1
Warcodered Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 (edited) 42 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: I should have emphasized that the stupidity is keeping this thread open at this point. This thread is just dumb at this point. I'd say it's got 4 more days of relevancy. Edited August 22, 2018 by Warcodered
transplantbillsfan Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: again, i disagree. a lot can happen in the next couple weeks. Well, people don't always need to agree, but there are simply facts in play here that have severely diminished the chance that Peterman is the starter. Who knows, maybe Allen gets hurt... the OP is probably hoping for that. You can think Allen suddenly absolutely sucks and is a different QB than he's been so far, but that seems also like the Pop's wishful thinking. It's just pretty unlikely at this point that anyone but Allen starts week 1.
Warcodered Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Well, people don't always need to agree, but there are simply facts in play here that have severely diminished the chance that Peterman is the starter. Who knows, maybe Allen gets hurt... the OP is probably hoping for that. You can think Allen suddenly absolutely sucks and is a different QB than he's been so far, but that seems also like the Pop's wishful thinking. It's just pretty unlikely at this point that anyone but Allen starts week 1. I agree that it's unlikely/hope that it doesn't happen but if McDermott is looking for an excuse to sit Josh for a little bit into the season before he starts Sunday is probably Josh's last chance to give him one.
SouthNYfan Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 27 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: I thought AJ played very well vs Panthers and made some really nice plays and as Coach McDermott says "generated points". 10 points on 2 long drives. The 62 yard play was studly. I almost give him a Mulligan on Fridays game. First KB drops one in his bread basket. Then the horrible protection he got. Bernie Kosar said a few times with the pressure he was getting he had no chance to do anything. Writing him off at this point is very premature IMHO. Coach McDermott pretty much says the same for what thats worth. Yeah I can give you all that. Like I said I'm not upset with whomever they start at this point.
prissythecat Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 21 minutes ago, Warcodered said: I'd say it's got 4 more days of relevancy. I am hoping that Allen shows enough during the Bengals game to merit being the starter. But was also thinking that how fun it would be to keep this thread alive :p Nothing better than having die hard supporters come out with dissertations on why we should root for mediocre QBs. Brings back memories of the days there were lots of back and forth on the merits of illustrious alunmni or camp fodder like JP, EJ, VY, TJ, etc.
Alphadawg7 Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 (edited) There are a FEW people in this thread defending NP to an absurd and over the top degree that fall into one of the three categories below: They just don't understand football enough to even know what they are looking at, let alone discuss it. Are 100% invested in being right, even when the body of evidence suggests they are likely wrong...kind of like when someone catches their significant other cheating, but they are doubling down still on how they didn't cheat and making absurd statements and excuses still sticking to their "story" Are just trolling to get this thread as long as possible. Couple of these posters have the screen name initials of BB...coincidence? Maybe, maybe not... Its one thing to be optimistic about NP or root for him, but its another to literally just spew nonsense for the sake of spewing nonsense. Edited August 22, 2018 by Alphadawg7 1
ColoradoBills Posted August 22, 2018 Posted August 22, 2018 4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Yeah, there were people here that actually believed that McCarron was an upgrade from Tyrod. The league spoke pretty loudly on their thoughts about McCarron when he signed that tiny contract. Guys like Keenum, Bridgewater & McCown were paid way more to essentially do the same thing. There’s a decent chance that McCarron ends up getting traded to Seattle IMO. AJM has disappointed, I personally hoped for a little better from him so far. Keenum was signed as a starter not a competitor. Elway will be in big trouble if he paid what he did for the "Rams Keenum" and not "Vikings Keenum". Imagine how this board will react is the Bills signed Keenum and he failed instead of drafting Allen or Rosen. McCown wanted to stay in New York as a player/coach type and Bridgewater signed a 1 million dollar guaranteed "show me" contract. Beane in essence had a choice between Teddy (knee issues) and AJ (unknown). 36 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: I thought AJ played very well vs Panthers and made some really nice plays and as Coach McDermott says "generated points". 10 points on 2 long drives. The 62 yard play was studly. I almost give him a Mulligan on Fridays game. First KB drops one in his bread basket. Then the horrible protection he got. Bernie Kosar said a few times with the pressure he was getting he had no chance to do anything. Writing him off at this point is very premature IMHO. Coach McDermott pretty much says the same for what thats worth. I can agree with your points.
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