PearlHowardman Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Important distinction is children and parents were detained together (except in rare cases of suspected trafficking) in 2014 as hope of a deterrent. The courts then ruled children couldn't be detained after public outrage over that policy. So, they were basically released until their court date following that until Trump changed the policy. Most Important Distinction: I don't remember any public outrage in 2014 like there is now. I don't remember this 2014 story at all. Illegal immigrants, including children, were caged under President Obama. Wasn't Obama caging illegal immigrants, including children, intentionally "kept quiet"? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Important distinction is children and parents were detained together (except in rare cases of suspected trafficking) in 2014 as hope of a deterrent. The courts then ruled children couldn't be detained after public outrage over that policy. So, they were basically released until their court date following that until Trump changed the policy. The court date that never comes to pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Important distinction is children and parents were detained together (except in rare cases of suspected trafficking) in 2014 as hope of a deterrent. The courts then ruled children couldn't be detained after public outrage over that policy. So, they were basically released until their court date following that until Trump changed the policy. Doc, this Los Angeles Times article from June 18th, 2014 completely refutes your assessment. Who's wrong -- you or the LA Times?http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-texas-immigrant-children-20140618-story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PearlHowardman Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, Golden Goat said: Doc, this Los Angeles Times article from June 18th, 2014 completely refutes your assessment. Who's wrong -- you or the LA Times?http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-texas-immigrant-children-20140618-story.html Democrats look absolutely stupid right now. They have egg all over their faces. Complete hypocrites. Obama handled illegal immigrants, including children, just like Trump did. Complete backfire! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Golden Goat said: Doc, this Los Angeles Times article from June 18th, 2014 completely refutes your assessment. Who's wrong -- you or the LA Times?http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-texas-immigrant-children-20140618-story.html Actually, it doesn't. It specifically says the majority are unaccompanied minors. And even has a mention of a teenage mother and baby incarcerated together. Edit: Although here's a notable story on "Obama" separating families: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/15/immigration-boy-reform-obama-deportations-families-separated And another one: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/25/parents-deportation_n_5531552.html And another: https://fairimmigration.org/press/president-obama-must-stop-family-separation-crisis Again, we're being manipulated in to caring now. Edited June 22, 2018 by DC Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 44 minutes ago, Golden Goat said: Doc, this Los Angeles Times article from June 18th, 2014 completely refutes your assessment. Who's wrong -- you or the LA Times?http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-texas-immigrant-children-20140618-story.html That story is about unaccompanied minors crossing the border and has nothing to do with separating families. I don't read the LA Times enough to have an opinion of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Actually, it doesn't. It specifically says the majority are unaccompanied minors. And even has a mention of a teenage mother and baby incarcerated together. Where does it specifically state that the children held at this facility were unaccompanied? Exact quote, please. 2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: That story is about unaccompanied minors crossing the border and has nothing to do with separating families. I don't read the LA Times enough to have an opinion of them. Same question I asked DCTom. Edited June 22, 2018 by Golden Goat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: That story is about unaccompanied minors crossing the border and has nothing to do with separating families. I don't read the LA Times enough to have an opinion of them. I'd take your word over theirs 9 times out of 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: That story is about unaccompanied minors crossing the border and has nothing to do with separating families. I don't read the LA Times enough to have an opinion of them. I've seen enough to think they're 1) pretty crappy, and 2) rather left-leaning. Not as much as the NYT recently, but only because the NYT has become seriously pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: I'd take your word over theirs 9 times out of 10. They are on par with gleeful gator. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Golden Goat said: Where does it specifically state that the children held at this facility were unaccompanied? Exact quote, please. Same question I asked DCTom. They become unaccompanied after they are separated from their adult parents/relatives/smugglers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: That story is about unaccompanied minors crossing the border and has nothing to do with separating families. I don't read the LA Times enough to have an opinion of them. As I recall at the time there was an enormous influx of unaccompanied minors crossing the border. There were stories all over the place about this. They were shipped out all over the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Just now, keepthefaith said: They become unaccompanied after they are separated from their adult parents/relatives/smugglers. It's a poorly written article, but it was about unaccompanied minors crossing the border. Since October, 47,000 children have been caught crossing the southern border without parents or other family members, a more than 90% increase from last year, federal officials said. The number of unaccompanied children caught could reach 90,000 this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, Golden Goat said: Where does it specifically state that the children held at this facility were unaccompanied? Exact quote, please. Same question I asked DCTom. Which facility? Brownsville or Nogales? You didn't actually read the article, did you? The WHOLE THING is about unaccompanied minors at multiple sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: As I recall at the time there was an enormous influx of unaccompanied minors crossing the border. There were stories all over the place about this. They were shipped out all over the country. They were. The one's that weren't were suspected gang members if I remember correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: Which facility? Brownsville or Nogales? You didn't actually read the article, did you? The WHOLE THING is about unaccompanied minors at multiple sites. I knew you couldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: They become unaccompanied after they are separated from their adult parents/relatives/smugglers. Interestingly, the article specifically says that the children "were urged to migrate illegally now by family members, smugglers and religious leaders who believed they would be allowed to stay legally." Yeah, absolutely no trafficking there. 1 minute ago, Golden Goat said: I knew you couldn't. Yeah, Doc did instead. He was more optimistic; I knew it wouldn't make the slightest difference to your obtuseness and ignorance. Hell, I gave you three examples that better made your point. And you're still choosing to double-down on stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Interestingly, the article specifically says that the children "were urged to migrate illegally now by family members, smugglers and religious leaders who believed they would be allowed to stay legally." Yeah, absolutely no trafficking there. Yeah, Doc did instead. He was more optimistic; I knew it wouldn't make the slightest difference to your obtuseness and ignorance. Hell, I gave you three examples that better made your point. And you're still choosing to double-down on stupid. Tom, I know your type. When you lose a point, you get angry and bash people. It's likely because -- in reality -- you're 4'10 and in a "female-led" relationship, with this being your only outlet to show your "manhood." I'm close, aren't I? You're probably shaking, and now I have you triggered for the whole night. Bliss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Golden Goat said: Tom, I know your type. When you lose a point, you get angry and bash people. It's likely because -- in reality -- you're 4'10 and in a "female-led" relationship, with this being your only outlet to show your "manhood." I'm close, aren't I? You're probably shaking, and now I have you triggered for the whole night. Bliss! I'm not angry. Why would I be angry? You're wrong, and ANYONE who can read knows it. I'm not calling you an ignorant moron because I'm angry. I'm calling you an ignorant moron because you've just shown that trying to engage you is a waste of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Interestingly, the article specifically says that the children "were urged to migrate illegally now by family members, smugglers and religious leaders who believed they would be allowed to stay legally." Yeah, absolutely no trafficking there. Yeah, the smugglers/traffickers know the rules. If unaccompanied minors get admitted, that's who shows up at the border. If the practice changes and adults with children are then admitted, then that's what the border patrol sees. If those loopholes are closed but then anyone with a dog is permitted, we're gonna see packs of people with a dog and the animal rights people will be screaming if the dogs are separated from their "owners". Edited June 22, 2018 by keepthefaith 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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