Why Is Our Government Putting People In Cages?

[ALF]

How bad is it in the countries these families are fleeing? This bad

 

Widespread gang violence fuels instability and suffering. Criminals have extorted Hondurans into paying an arbitrary "war tax" for their survival, and those who can't pay often are killed.

 

Honduran police hold a boy whose father was killed in 2016 by alleged gang members for refusing to pay them a "war tax."
"There are no jobs, no justice, no laws in Honduras," said 32-year-old Karen Gallo, who sought asylum in 2018 via a caravan of migrants.

 

Life in El Salvador: "El Salvador is beset by one of the world's highest homicide rates and pervasive criminal gangs," the CIA World Factbook says.

 

MS 13  Most members are of Central American origin, principally El Salvador.

 

Life in Guatemala: Almost half of Guatemalan children under age 5 are chronically malnourished -- "one of the highest malnutrition rates in the world," the CIA World Factbook says.
"Guatemalans have a history of emigrating legally and illegally to Mexico, the United States and Canada because of a lack of economic opportunity, political instability and natural disasters."

 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/20/americas/separated-families-countries-snapshots/index.html

Edited June 20, 2018 by ALF

[3rdnlng]

5 minutes ago, ALF said:

How bad is it in the countries these families are fleeing? This bad

 

Widespread gang violence fuels instability and suffering. Criminals have extorted Hondurans into paying an arbitrary "war tax" for their survival, and those who can't pay often are killed.

 

Honduran police hold a boy whose father was killed in 2016 by alleged gang members for refusing to pay them a "war tax."
"There are no jobs, no justice, no laws in Honduras," said 32-year-old Karen Gallo, who sought asylum in 2018 via a caravan of migrants.

 

Life in El Salvador: "El Salvador is beset by one of the world's highest homicide rates and pervasive criminal gangs," the CIA World Factbook says.

 

Life in Guatemala: Almost half of Guatemalan children under age 5 are chronically malnourished -- "one of the highest malnutrition rates in the world," the CIA World Factbook says.
"Guatemalans have a history of emigrating legally and illegally to Mexico, the United States and Canada because of a lack of economic opportunity, political instability and natural disasters."

 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/20/americas/separated-families-countries-snapshots/index.html

We need to be able to separate the wheat from the tares. The last thing we need here is Central American tares sneaking in to our country and imposing their war taxes here.

[TakeYouToTasker]

6 minutes ago, ALF said:

How bad is it in the countries these families are fleeing? This bad

 

Widespread gang violence fuels instability and suffering. Criminals have extorted Hondurans into paying an arbitrary "war tax" for their survival, and those who can't pay often are killed.

 

Honduran police hold a boy whose father was killed in 2016 by alleged gang members for refusing to pay them a "war tax."
"There are no jobs, no justice, no laws in Honduras," said 32-year-old Karen Gallo, who sought asylum in 2018 via a caravan of migrants.

 

Life in El Salvador: "El Salvador is beset by one of the world's highest homicide rates and pervasive criminal gangs," the CIA World Factbook says.

 

Life in Guatemala: Almost half of Guatemalan children under age 5 are chronically malnourished -- "one of the highest malnutrition rates in the world," the CIA World Factbook says.
"Guatemalans have a history of emigrating legally and illegally to Mexico, the United States and Canada because of a lack of economic opportunity, political instability and natural disasters."

 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/20/americas/separated-families-countries-snapshots/index.html

 

Poverty is not a legitimate reason for asylum.  We are not, and cannot become, the safety net for the world.

 

In fact, the exodus of motivated individuals from these countries only serves to worsen the plight of their home nations.  The struggle for improvement is intergenerational, and when those most motivated for change leave, they set back any chance of improvement.

[Tiberius]

32 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

If it's child abuse to not have kids accompany their parents in to prison, then there are much more serious instances of child abuse in the country.

And warehouse them? Ya right. 

Just now, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

Poverty is not a legitimate reason for asylum.  We are not, and cannot become, the safety net for the world.

 

In fact, the exodus of motivated individuals from these countries only serves to worsen the plight of their home nations.  The struggle for improvement is intergenerational, and when those most motivated for change leave, they set back any chance of improvement.

Maybe we shouldn't have been overthrowing governments don't there then. Reap what you sow 

[row_33]

10 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

Poverty is not a legitimate reason for asylum.  We are not, and cannot become, the safety net for the world.

 

In fact, the exodus of motivated individuals from these countries only serves to worsen the plight of their home nations.  The struggle for improvement is intergenerational, and when those most motivated for change leave, they set back any chance of improvement.

 

it was eerie that the drowned child from Syria in the picture was wearing a polo shirt and jeans

 

war and famine and real persecution are valid reasons

 

but liberals tell us the world will accommodate whatever the freak we personally want to have happen, so whoop-dee-doooo

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

14 minutes ago, ALF said:

How bad is it in the countries these families are fleeing? This bad

 

Widespread gang violence fuels instability and suffering. Criminals have extorted Hondurans into paying an arbitrary "war tax" for their survival, and those who can't pay often are killed.

 

Honduran police hold a boy whose father was killed in 2016 by alleged gang members for refusing to pay them a "war tax."
"There are no jobs, no justice, no laws in Honduras," said 32-year-old Karen Gallo, who sought asylum in 2018 via a caravan of migrants.

 

Life in El Salvador: "El Salvador is beset by one of the world's highest homicide rates and pervasive criminal gangs," the CIA World Factbook says.

 

MS 13  Most members are of Central American origin, principally El Salvador.

 

Life in Guatemala: Almost half of Guatemalan children under age 5 are chronically malnourished -- "one of the highest malnutrition rates in the world," the CIA World Factbook says.
"Guatemalans have a history of emigrating legally and illegally to Mexico, the United States and Canada because of a lack of economic opportunity, political instability and natural disasters."

 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/20/americas/separated-families-countries-snapshots/index.html

Is this supposed to make me feel pity toward the migrants?
 

[Tiberius]

Just now, joesixpack said:

Is this supposed to make me feel pity toward the migrants?
 

You? Doubt it 

[IDBillzFan]

11 hours ago, Buftex said:

And that right there is what makes you so repulsive. You know better, but you take glee. You are like a walking, talking, typing Chinese finger trap. Smug, hypocritical and so high and mighty.  Keep telling everyone you genuinely can not stand Trump, but take every opportunity you can find to contort your ethiics to support his bull ****.  

 

Know better than what? To mock anonymous people on an obscure website dedicated to a bad football team?  Gee, someone get you to a safe room and some play-doh.

 

 

Anyone who has paid attention to my posts here knows I have hated Trump from the beginning. There is very little to like about the Trump, the human. He's brash, rude, and surrounds himself with questionable people, at best.  His sycophants are annoying as all hell. Just listening to him speak is a chore.

 

Sound familiar? It should, because he is very much the spitting image of Barack Obama, the human, with a few major differences, not the least of which is at least Trump has somehow managed to improve the lives of minorities from an employment standpoint. Obama couldn't even do that, in spite of all the fanboys cheering him on every day.

 

So you essentially hate the man you've loved for the last eight years, and watching everyone meltdown over that irony is something I wish I could package and sell. 

 

[row_33]

Australia has a refugee camp system where you are whisked off to it and need sponsorship or right back you go.

 

Kind of interesting as Oz has about the same land area as the continental US.....

 

 

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, LABillzFan said:

 

Know better than what? To mock anonymous people on an obscure website dedicated to a bad football team?  Gee, someone get you to a safe room and some play-doh.

 

 

Anyone who has paid attention to my posts here knows I have hated Trump from the beginning. There is very little to like about the Trump, the human. He's brash, rude, and surrounds himself with questionable people, at best.  His sycophants are annoying as all hell. Just listening to him speak is a chore.

 

Sound familiar? It should, because he is very much the spitting image of Barack Obama, the human, with a few major differences, not the least of which is at least Trump has somehow managed to improve the lives of minorities from an employment standpoint. Obama couldn't even do that, in spite of all the fanboys cheering him on every day.

 

So you essentially hate the man you've loved for the last eight years, and watching everyone meltdown over that irony is something I wish I could package and sell. 

 

Saying Trump is a spitting imagine of Obama just shows how diseased your brain is. 

 

Just as stupid as the other poster who declared Trump is a Ronald Reagan clone. 

[GG]

10 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

Is this supposed to make me feel pity toward the migrants?
 

No, it's supposed to show you the root of many problems.  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, GG said:

No, it's supposed to show you the root of many problems.  

 

Of course I know central america's a shithole. Of course I know why they come here.

 

I'm just of the opinion that we have no obligation to central americans and their internal prosperity.

 

Would helping them out maybe help curb some of the issues we have? Yes, it might.

 

But the first step would be getting their governments to accept help. Good luck with that.

[TakeYouToTasker]

21 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

Is this supposed to make me feel pity toward the migrants?
 

 

Pity is the wrong word, but you should feel empathy.

 

I don't blame individuals who would seek to come here by any means necessary to provide a better life for their families.  As a father, I would do the same.

 

That doesn't mean we should construct our immigration policies based on empathy, however.

Edited June 20, 2018 by TakeYouToTasker

[3rdnlng]

13 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

Of course I know central america's a shithole. Of course I know why they come here.

 

I'm just of the opinion that we have no obligation to central americans and their internal prosperity.

 

Would helping them out maybe help curb some of the issues we have? Yes, it might.

 

But the first step would be getting their governments to accept help. Good luck with that.

Just about every single instance of impoverished countries has resulted from corruption in their so-called governments. People get the governments they deserve. We can try to help these countries out but the only thing it will do is change how we feel about ourselves. Until the people in the country are willing to change, it won't change.

Edited June 20, 2018 by 3rdnlng

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

Pity is the wrong word, but you should feel empathy.

 

I don't blame individuals who would seek to come here by any means necessary to provide a better life for their families.  As a father, I would do the same.

 

That doesn't mean we should construct our immigration policies based on empathy, however.

 

Empathy. I didn't achieve a high score on that test.

 

As to your third sentence, you're right on the money. We need to craft policies that benefit US, not them.

 

[row_33]

9 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

Empathy. I didn't achieve a high score on that test.

 

As to your third sentence, you're right on the money. We need to craft policies that benefit US, not them.

 

 

the empathy test out of 80 where it declared you drooling and 100% Aspberger's if you scored under 50?

 

every man who works with numbers and code couldn't break 25 on that one...

 

10 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

Empathy. I didn't achieve a high score on that test.

 

As to your third sentence, you're right on the money. We need to craft policies that benefit US, not them.

 

 

there HAS to be a points system of usefulness to immigrate to another country....

 

maybe they can invent one?

 

 

 

[TakeYouToTasker]

1 minute ago, joesixpack said:

 

Empathy. I didn't achieve a high score on that test.

 

As to your third sentence, you're right on the money. We need to craft policies that benefit US, not them.

 

 

I didn't score particularly high on the test either, though I find it fairly sociopathic when individuals can't see their way to feel compassion for others who were plunged into poverty simply by nature of being born into a third world country.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

I didn't score particularly high on the test either, though I find it fairly sociopathic when individuals can't see their way to feel compassion for others who were plunged into poverty simply by nature of being born into a third world country.

 

I have no issue with it, especially when countries like Mexico have tougher immigration laws than WE do.

 

 

[TakeYouToTasker]

1 minute ago, joesixpack said:

 

I have no issue with it, especially when countries like Mexico have tougher immigration laws than WE do.

 

 

 

I'm not talking about policy, I'm talking about personal empathy.

 

As an aside, are you really going to hold up Mexico as an example of how our government should function?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

 

 

As an aside, are you really going to hold up Mexico as an example of how our government should function?

 

 

no. but if a dysfunctional shithole like Mexico can be tough on immigration, it's pretty sad if WE can't.

As far as the personal empathy--I think personal experience has a lot to do with why I have little of it.