Tiberius Posted June 15, 2018 Author Share Posted June 15, 2018 50 minutes ago, Cinga said: Let's see..... Did the parents break the law by crossing the border illegally? check Should the parents go to jail for this by law? check Should children go to jail with the parents? Yes according to Gator huh? Now, answer the Fu.... question... Should we also stop separating American families when a parent breaks the law? Or is this fake compassion only for illegals? Yup... he gets his talking points from the same people Tapper gets his... People escaping oppression and violence are doing what's best for their children, until Trump confiscated them and this is a Pro-Life crowd? Ya right. 54 minutes ago, westside said: Let's get some pictures of orphaned children from 2014 and blame Trump for it! Serious question, why didnt it bother you then? You're so dishonest....... Link? What are you talking about (making up?) ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 33 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Link? What are you talking about (making up?) ? Even for you, this is !@#$ing stupid. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 38 minutes ago, Tiberius said: As another NBC News article notes, there is no law requiring border officials to separate children from their families. I love the rather obvious liberal sleight-of-hand here. They somehow forget to mention that there are laws and regulations on the books prohibiting incarcerating children in the same facilities as adult offenders. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, Koko78 said: I love the rather obvious liberal sleight-of-hand here. They somehow forget to mention that there are laws and regulations on the books prohibiting incarcerating children in the same facilities as adult offenders. If we were incarcerating the kids with the adults the libs would be complaining about it just as much. It's not the kids that they care about, it's the fact that they want the adults released out in the country with a promise that they will return for a court date sometime in the future. In other words they want open borders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 (edited) The Flores Settlement. To answer OP's question. Edited June 15, 2018 by Paulus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 25 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: If we were incarcerating the kids with the adults the libs would be complaining about it just as much. It's not the kids that they care about, it's the fact that they want the adults released out in the country with a promise that they will return for a court date sometime in the future. In other words they want open borders. I believe that they don't want open borders so much as they want to pander to the Latino vote. Don't get me wrong, I'd wager they want open borders and no-questions-asked voting, but their primary focus is getting the large Latino population to vote in a block for them. The Democrats could have had a DACA fix any time they wanted, but will not accept anything where Trump can take the narrative away from them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, Koko78 said: I believe that they don't want open borders so much as they want to pander to the Latino vote. Don't get me wrong, I'd wager they want open borders and no-questions-asked voting, but their primary focus is getting the large Latino population to vote in a block for them. The Democrats could have had a DACA fix any time they wanted, but will not accept anything where Trump can take the narrative away from them. No, they want illegal immigration unfettered. Because more democrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Koko78 said: I believe that they don't want open borders so much as they want to pander to the Latino vote. Don't get me wrong, I'd wager they want open borders and no-questions-asked voting, but their primary focus is getting the large Latino population to vote in a block for them. The Democrats could have had a DACA fix any time they wanted, but will not accept anything where Trump can take the narrative away from them. Exactly. The solution has no political value to them, so they have no interest in solving the problem, or helping the people impacted. What they want is precisely for Latinos to suffer so that they can use them as a voting block by controlling the issue. It's the exact same motivations they have for keeping black Americans in poverty. Edited June 15, 2018 by TakeYouToTasker 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Koko78 said: The Democrats could have had a DACA fix any time they wanted, but will not accept anything where Trump can take the narrative away from them. For those of you with an actual memory................... On the one hand, separating kids from parents really is a draconian deterrent. On the other hand, the modern Democratic Party doesn’t support deterrents to illegal immigration, full stop. And I don’t mean the lefty fringes of the party; I mean the party. Review Hillary Clinton’s statements on immigration two years ago and remind yourself that, as with abortion, the left is far more of an absolutist contingent on this issue than the right is. Their position, as articulated piecemeal by Hillary on the stump, is that any non-criminal who wants to bring his family here should be allowed to. Forced to choose between a draconian deterrent and no deterrent, what do you do? There’s bad faith in their position too. Last night there was a tornado on Twitter when reporters started posting photos from a shelter for separated kids being run by the feds. It was a prison! There was even a mural of Trump painted on the wall next to a quote about victory, in creepy vintage MAGA cultish fashion. But read WaPo’s story about the facility, which is nicely balanced. Turns out there’s a mural of Obama too. The kids go to class, there’s a rec room, they get a few hours outside to play, there are medical exam rooms, etc etc. It’s a dorm, essentially — a dreary one (it’s housed in what used to be a Walmart) and certainly not preferable to bunking with mom and dad, but it’s not Leavenworth. Kids are gone in an average of 49 days. I’m open to a softer deterrent. I’m not open to the Democratic alternative, which is no deterrent. Paul Ryan told reporters this morning that he doesn’t like the policy either and that he’s willing to end it by legislation — but of course he’ll insist on some other enforcement measures as his price. And true to form, the leader of the no-deterrent caucus won’t go for that: Democrat hypocrisy mixed with desperation = this thread. https://hotair.com/archives/2018/06/14/reporter-yells-sanders-wheres-empathy-kids-separated-border-parents/ . Edited June 15, 2018 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Tiberius said: https://www.vox.com/2018/6/11/17443198/children-immigrant-families-separated-parents F'n barbaric ******** Quoted from Jennifer Rubin at Washington post Maybe your god can break it down for you ?Head Edited June 16, 2018 by Teddy KGB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 That's about a third as many children as New Jersey separated from their families over the same time period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 9 hours ago, Tiberius said: 2. RIPPED AWAY an hour ago Report: Almost 2,000 Children Ripped From Families at Border JOHN MOORE/ GETTY IMAGES According to Homeland Security figures obtained Friday by the Associated Press, 1,995 minors were taken at the border from 1,940 adults between April 19 and May 31. These separations follow Attorney General Jeff Sessions’ announcement of his “zero-tolerance” policy for undocumented immigrants at the border, which mandates that anyone attempting to cross the border illegally will be seized and prosecuted. “If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law,” Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday, as cited by NBC News. “If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border.” As another NBC News article notes, there is no law requiring border officials to separate children from their families. READ IT AT AP NEWS I love the picture of the gun in the foreground and the sweet innocent illegal looking confused. Classic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Abortion is the worst separation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 (edited) This was a deliberate policy shift by the Trump administration. They have the power to unilaterally reverse it. It's legal, no question, but it's purely the administration's decision. 1. The President's immigration bill got all of 39 votes in the Senate (the bipartisan effort also fell short of the 60 votes needed to move forward, but received more support.) While it's designed, as Attorney General Jeff Sessions describes it, to have a deterrent effect, it's also a negotiating play to try and force Democrats to the table on immigration legislation the President favors. https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/15/politics/family-separation-democrats-trump/index.html This border policy is leverage to get $25B for the wall and eliminate chain migration , visa lottery ... I would be ok with this and DACA resolution the sooner the better . If Democrats have the WH and Congress some day they can change it if they want. If Democrats just use this family separation for a Nov campaign issue I will be very disappointed in them. Elections have consequences since we don't have bipartisan cooperation. Asylum in the United States Total annual asylum grants averaged 23,669 between FY 2007 and FY 2016. https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/asylum-united-states Edited June 16, 2018 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 They know what will happen at the border. They know the laws will be enforced. It's not a secret. Yet they keep dragging their kids to the border. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, ALF said: This was a deliberate policy shift by the Trump administration. They have the power to unilaterally reverse it. It's legal, no question, but it's purely the administration's decision. 1. The President's immigration bill got all of 39 votes in the Senate (the bipartisan effort also fell short of the 60 votes needed to move forward, but received more support.) While it's designed, as Attorney General Jeff Sessions describes it, to have a deterrent effect, it's also a negotiating play to try and force Democrats to the table on immigration legislation the President favors. https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/15/politics/family-separation-democrats-trump/index.html This border policy is leverage to get $25B for the wall and eliminate chain migration , visa lottery ... I would be ok with this and DACA resolution the sooner the better . If Democrats have the WH and Congress some day they can change it if they want. If Democrats just use this family separation for a Nov campaign issue I will be very disappointed in them. Elections have consequences since we don't have bipartisan cooperation. Asylum in the United States https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/asylum-united-states From your link: But -- and this is a key: the bill does nothing to prohibit the criminal prosecution of parents who cross the border illegally, i.e. the current Trump Administration policy that is driving the separation (children can't be brought into the criminal justice system). In other words: It does nothing to stop the current policy. It just requires the government to keep them together when in the custody of the Department of Homeland Security. So here's the bottom line: the bill touches on the issue, but it's hardly a fix. As one Democratic staffer told CNN: "The answer to separating families is not to put them behind bars." They committed a !@#$ing crime, why shouldn't they be prosecuted? Edited June 16, 2018 by 3rdnlng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 I'm still waiting for the answer to why do democrats have OCD about illegal immigrants? Do any of these people have even the slightest clue or care about long term ramifications of this? It's astonishing to me that a group people are demanding that our taxes be spent on taking care of people who just sneak in and become squatters... why aren't these same democrats showing the same fervent fever of humanity towards homeless people or hungry people, who are from the US? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Beautiful... http://www.breitbart.com/california/2018/06/15/photos-inside-shelter-for-illegal-alien-children-separated-from-parents/ The Department of Health and Human Services hosted Breitbart News and other media on a tour of a facility in El Cajon, California, on Friday where migrant children are being sheltered after being separated from their parents. The children are separated from their parents — or, to be precise, from the adults accompanying them, who may or may not be their parents — when their parents cross the southern U.S. border illegally and are caught and detained. Previously, under the “catch-and-release” policy, the adults would be released. Under the “zero tolerance” policy of the Trump administration, the adults are being detained and prosecuted. Children cannot be incarcerated with them. However, families that arrive together at legal ports of entry and apply for asylum status are generally not split up and are permitted to stay in the U.S. pending the adjudication of their applications (which can take several years). Democrats and the mainstream media have accused the administration of separating the children of “immigrants” from their parents and imprisoning them in “cages.” On Thursday, CNN analyst and Playboy reporter Brian Karem shouted at White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders: “These people have nothing. They come to the border with nothing and you throw children in cages.” None of the reporters in the briefing room corrected him. The facility at El Cajon, however, is not a “cage.” It is a comfortable facility providing lodging, meals, clothing, medical care, education, recreation, counseling, and other services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 15 minutes ago, Albwan said: I'm still waiting for the answer to why do democrats have OCD about illegal immigrants? Do any of these people have even the slightest clue or care about long term ramifications of this? It's astonishing to me that a group people are demanding that our taxes be spent on taking care of people who just sneak in and become squatters... why aren't these same democrats showing the same fervent fever of humanity towards homeless people or hungry people, who are from the US? Have you seen pictures of the housing and descriptions of how the illegal alien children are being treated? Since we are prohibited by law to house children with adults in a detention facility, what should we do with them? The average time a child spends in one of these facilities is 49 days. That's the time it takes for the government to hook them up with a relative or a sponsor. This is being done to protect the children from abuse or homelessness. The real question to ask is why we are detaining their parents (or whatever the adult they are found with)? It's because they tried to sneak into the U.S. illegally. They deserve to be detained and deported if they haven't presented themselves at a port of entry requesting asylum. 3 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said: Beautiful... http://www.breitbart.com/california/2018/06/15/photos-inside-shelter-for-illegal-alien-children-separated-from-parents/ The Department of Health and Human Services hosted Breitbart News and other media on a tour of a facility in El Cajon, California, on Friday where migrant children are being sheltered after being separated from their parents. The children are separated from their parents — or, to be precise, from the adults accompanying them, who may or may not be their parents — when their parents cross the southern U.S. border illegally and are caught and detained. Previously, under the “catch-and-release” policy, the adults would be released. Under the “zero tolerance” policy of the Trump administration, the adults are being detained and prosecuted. Children cannot be incarcerated with them. However, families that arrive together at legal ports of entry and apply for asylum status are generally not split up and are permitted to stay in the U.S. pending the adjudication of their applications (which can take several years). Democrats and the mainstream media have accused the administration of separating the children of “immigrants” from their parents and imprisoning them in “cages.” On Thursday, CNN analyst and Playboy reporter Brian Karem shouted at White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders: “These people have nothing. They come to the border with nothing and you throw children in cages.” None of the reporters in the briefing room corrected him. The facility at El Cajon, however, is not a “cage.” It is a comfortable facility providing lodging, meals, clothing, medical care, education, recreation, counseling, and other services. I was just going to link this to my post above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 20 hours ago, B-Man said: Why do you waste your time ? Exactly. The thread itself is 100% troll. He just sits back and laughs at the replies, stoking it here & there for maximum entertainment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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