Why Is Our Government Putting People In Cages?

[Prickly Pete]

Just now, joesixpack said:

 

Best solution?

TURN EVERYONE AT THE BORDER AWAY.

 

That way no one has to be separated from their parents.

 

 

 

I still think the kids should be given back to the Mexican authorities right away, and let them handle it. 

[HappyDays]

23 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

"We must endanger the children to protect the children!"

 

That's not even an argument.  It's ignorant, lazy, emotional manipulation.

 

You've just stated a fundamental principle of America. We don't sacrifice liberties because evil exists. We don't punish innocent people so as to not miss punishing guilty people. And I know the people in this thread agree with that principle. We don't sacrifice gun rights because of the minuscule change your child will be killed by one. Yes some criminals will get away with their crimes because of our liberties, but more importantly innocent people won't be punished.

 

That audio posted above and the corresponding report is what I'm talking about:

 

https://www.propublica.org/article/children-separated-from-parents-border-patrol-cbp-trump-immigration-policy?utm_campaign=sprout&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=1529351580

 

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Then a distraught but determined 6-year-old Salvadoran girl pleads repeatedly for someone to call her aunt. Just one call, she begs anyone who will listen. She says she’s memorized the phone number, and at one point, rattles it off to a consular representative. “My mommy says that I’ll go with my aunt,” she whimpers, “and that she’ll come to pick me up there as quickly as possible.”

 

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The child who stood out the most was the 6-year-old Salvadoran girl with a phone number stuck in her head. At the end of the audio, a consular official offers to call the girl’s aunt. ProPublica dialed the number she recited in the audio, and spoke with the aunt about the call.

“It was the hardest moment in my life,” she said. “Imagine getting a call from your 6-year-old niece. She’s crying and begging me to go get her. She says, ‘I promise I’ll behave, but please get me out of here. I’m all alone.’”

The aunt said what made the call even more painful was that there was nothing she could do. She and her 9-year-old daughter are seeking asylum in the United States after immigrating here two years ago for the exact same reasons and on the exact same route as her sister and her niece. They are from a small town called Armenia, about an hour’s drive northwest of the Salvadoran capital, but well within reach of its crippling crime waves. She said gangs were everywhere in El Salvador: “They’re on the buses. They’re in the banks. They’re in schools. They’re in the police. There’s nowhere for normal people to feel safe.”

She said her niece and sister set out for the United States over a month ago. They paid a smuggler $7,000 to guide them through Guatemala, and Mexico and across the border into the United States. Now, she said, all the risk and investment seem lost.

The aunt said she worried that any attempt to intervene in her niece’s situation would put hers and her daughter’s asylum case at risk, particularly since the Trump administration overturned asylum protections for victims of gang and domestic violence. She said she’s managed to speak to her sister, who has been moved to an immigration detention facility near Port Isabel, Texas. And she keeps in touch with her niece, Alison Jimena Valencia Madrid, by telephone. Mother and daughter, however, have not been able to speak to one another.

The aunt said that Alison has been moved out of the Border Patrol facility to a shelter where she has a real bed. But she said that authorities at the shelter have warned the girl that her mother, 29-year-old Cindy Madrid, might be deported without her.

 

 

These people are victims. Yes they broke the law to enter this country, because staying home with their children is worse. We should do what we've been doing which is to keep the families together until their hearing. They're not given trials before being separated because of the zero-tolerance policy.

Edited June 18, 2018 by HappyDays

[Albwan]

Like audio can't be faked...c'mon now you people are just too much.

can i have your emails i know some nigerian princes that need help.

[Deranged Rhino]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

You've just stated a fundamental principle of America. We don't sacrifice liberties because evil exists.

 

These people literally are not citizens. Hence, we can try to stop evil rather than allowing it to continue unabated - and help children and families alike in the process.

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

These people are victims. Yes they broke the law to enter this country, because staying home with their children is worse. We should do what we've been doing which is to keep the families together until their hearing. They're not given trials before being separated because of the zero-tolerance policy.

 

The problem is there is no immediate trial. They're released, and asked to come back for their hearing. Think the traffickers are coming back for their hearings, or are they bolting into the darkness with their victims? Victims we could have saved by simply figuring out whether people are who they say they are BEFORE reuniting them with innocent children.

 

 

[ALF]

Maybe a paternity test would help ?

[Deranged Rhino]

 

https://www.theepochtimes.com/fbi-rescued-1305-children-from-predators-youngest-7-months-old_2565515.html

 

Edited June 18, 2018 by Deranged Rhino

[DC Tom]

13 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

You've just stated a fundamental principle of America. We don't sacrifice liberties because evil exists. We don't punish innocent people so as to not miss punishing guilty people. And I know the people in this thread agree with that principle. We don't sacrifice gun rights because of the minuscule change your child will be killed by one. Yes some criminals will get away with their crimes because of our liberties, but more importantly innocent people won't be punished.

 

That audio posted above and the corresponding report is what I'm talking about:

 

https://www.propublica.org/article/children-separated-from-parents-border-patrol-cbp-trump-immigration-policy?utm_campaign=sprout&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=1529351580

 

 

These people are victims. Yes they broke the law to enter this country, because staying home with their children is worse. We should do what we've been doing which is to keep the families together until their hearing. They're not given trials before being separated because of the zero-tolerance policy.

 

1) I could care less about the video.  Crying children are an emotional manipulation, not a sound argument.  Go sell your pathetic histrionics somewhere else.

 

2) These people are victims...of what?  You're making the same fallacious argument you've accused DR of making: generalizing an entire population from a sample, and formulating policy based therein.  

 

Both arguments are pure garbage.  And worse: they're completely ignorant of the law: these people, no matter their motivations, are illegally entering the country, and are subject to incarceration for it under the law. 

 

You persistently blame a single person for something that is the properly established law of the United States, by which that person is rightfully bound.  Again...why don't you start complaining about THAT, which is the real issue?

[Golden Goat]

2 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

1) I could care less about the video.  Crying children are an emotional manipulation, not a sound argument.  Go sell your pathetic histrionics somewhere else.

 

2) These people are victims...of what?  You're making the same fallacious argument you've accused DR of making: generalizing an entire population from a sample, and formulating policy based therein.  

 

Both arguments are pure garbage.  And worse: they're completely ignorant of the law: these people, no matter their motivations, are illegally entering the country, and are subject to incarceration for it under the law. 

 

You persistently blame a single person for something that is the properly established law of the United States, by which that person is rightfully bound.  Again...why don't you start complaining about THAT, which is the real issue?

 

... because Master Soros hasn't given him the talking point for that (yet).

[3rdnlng]

45 minutes ago, OJ Tom said:

 

You keep throwing around "months"...I wonder what the true average time is. And the age of the kids there for months. And of the kids there for months, the status of the people they were apprehended with. These things matter.

 

 

 

49 days.

[Albwan]

Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA), a leading contender for the Democratic Party nomination for president in 2020, said Monday that Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen should resign over the enforcement of immigration law at the border, which has resulted in some children being separated from their parents after crossing illegally.

 

This just keeps getting better and better. Anyone care to take odds on what the next 

Trump hate piece coming down the pipe is going to be....

My god, if kamala harris becomes the next president many of us should worrying

where we will be able to migrate to. 

Does any other country demand/allow illegal immigration like the US?

Edited June 18, 2018 by Albwan

[Prickly Pete]

6 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

49 days.

 

Another question...how many were actually "separated from their parents", and how many were "unaccompanied children"?

 

According to this 2014 Mother Jones article, lots of kids show up without any adults at all...like 68,000 in that year alone.

 

I don't know if some, most, none, or even all of the kids that are there for 49 days are actually torn away from their parents. Many might be kids that their parents don't want to pick up.

 

 

 

 

[3rdnlng]

People should look at the situation as the government is putting these children in protective custody until they can find a relative or sponsor willing to take them in. Our Homeland Security Director said today that out of the 12000 children being held, 10000 of them came across the border by themselves or with non relatives. She also said that no families were being separated that presented themselves at a port of entry seeking asylum. Some were turned away and told to come back because there was too much of a backlog in processing.

[DC Tom]

1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said:

People should look at the situation as the government is putting these children in protective custody until they can find a relative or sponsor willing to take them in. Our Homeland Security Director said today that out of the 12000 children being held, 10000 of them came across the border by themselves or with non relatives. She also said that no families were being separated that presented themselves at a port of entry seeking asylum. Some were turned away and told to come back because there was too much of a backlog in processing.

 

And other people have said other things.

 

Like most things DHS...the truth is probably !@#$ed.

[Prickly Pete]

Just now, 3rdnlng said:

People should look at the situation as the government is putting these children in protective custody until they can find a relative or sponsor willing to take them in. Our Homeland Security Director said today that out of the 12000 children being held, 10000 of them came across the border by themselves or with non relatives. She also said that no families were being separated that presented themselves at a port of entry seeking asylum. Some were turned away and told to come back because there was too much of a backlog in processing.

 

There is a lot of room for manipulation of the stats we are seeing.

 

[keepthefaith]

1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said:

People should look at the situation as the government is putting these children in protective custody until they can find a relative or sponsor willing to take them in. Our Homeland Security Director said today that out of the 12000 children being held, 10000 of them came across the border by themselves or with non relatives. She also said that no families were being separated that presented themselves at a port of entry seeking asylum. Some were turned away and told to come back because there was too much of a backlog in processing.

 

Homeland security is getting gamed by both the immigrants and the opposition party. 

[3rdnlng]

3 minutes ago, OJ Tom said:

 

There is a lot of room for manipulation of the stats we are seeing.

 

Well, I don't think anyone is for separating families or for child trafficking. With that in mind the situation is soshitty in Central America that I don't want to import the criminal element that is making it soshitty. We need to be very careful who we let in here.

[DC Tom]

2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Well, I don't think anyone is for separating families or for child trafficking. With that in mind the situation is soshitty in Central America that I don't want to import the criminal element that is making it soshitty. We need to be very careful who we let in here.

 

Well, not everyone...

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

On 6/17/2018 at 10:50 AM, 3rdnlng said:

It's past time to quit governing by a phone and a pen. We are a nation of laws not dictators. If you can't see this you have the mind of an imbecile.

Hahahaha.

 

Don wants to be a dictator.  He’s even joked about being president for life.  

 

Keep pretending that The Donald cant end this anytime he wants.   

 

One phone call is all it takes. 

 

 

[Prickly Pete]

4 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Hahahaha.

 

Don wants to be a dictator.  He’s even joked about being president for life.  

 

Keep pretending that The Donald cant end this anytime he wants.   

 

One phone call is all it takes. 

 

 

 

You're gonna lose

[DC Tom]

26 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Hahahaha.

 

Don wants to be a dictator.  He’s even joked about being president for life.  

 

Keep pretending that The Donald cant end this anytime he wants.   

 

One phone call is all it takes. 

 

 

 

And you're okay with that????

 

THAT'S THE GODDAMN PROBLEM.