Lurker Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, 4_kidd_4 said: Pegula Purge! Can’t wait for homogenized “opinions” dictated from the top. More like a new sports editor (Josh Barnett) building his own team. Same as with McD and his "process"... Edited June 13, 2018 by Lurker
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 Seems like the end of days for the Buffalo News. Everyone is leaving.
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 "Nearly one-fifth of the paper’s staff reporters and columnists having taken the voluntary buyout package. Among them: sports columnists Jerry Sullivan and Bucky Gleason, sports reporter John Vogl, arts and cultural reporter Mary Kunz Goldman, health care reporter Henry Davis, and deputy sports editor Bob DiCesare." "The Guild noted the paper employed 86 reporters and columnists in 2008. Now, it is down to 44, a nearly 49 percent decrease."
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 I hated him after his exchange with EJ after his rookie year. The pinnacle of a nerd talking crap to the popular jock, only he couldn’t get punched now. Believe it it or not, sports media is the easiest job in the world to replace. It takes little talent to write about other/ criticize other people doing a job. 2 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: Seems like the end of days for the Buffalo News. Everyone is leaving. IF you can’t replace miserable hacks like Jerry, Bucky, or Timmy, you deserve to fold your paper. Hell, there are posters on this board I’d rather read write about the Bills. Sal Capaccio was a high school teacher/ coach and he’s better than those 3. 1
Kelly the Dog Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I hated him after his exchange with EJ after his rookie year. The pinnacle of a nerd talking crap to the popular jock, only he couldn’t get punched now. Believe it it or not, sports media is the easiest job in the world to replace. It takes little talent to write about other/ criticize other people doing a job. IF you can’t replace miserable hacks like Jerry, Bucky, or Timmy, you deserve to fold your paper. Hell, there are posters on this board I’d rather read write about the Bills. Sal Capaccio was a high school teacher/ coach and he’s better than those 3. Sal is a very good sports radio personality, seems like a terrific guy in all respects, and knows a ton about football. He's not a good sportswriter at all. They are almost mutually exclusive talents. 1
May Day 10 Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 14 minutes ago, Lurker said: More like a new sports editor (Josh Barnett) building his own team. Same as with McD and his "process"... You really think The Buffalo News is "building" anything? They are dropping employees like its going out of style. Not just the sports writers. Everywhere. I know people who work there and they are legitimately concerned if they are going to have a job to go to in a week or a month
Fadingpain Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 1 hour ago, May Day 10 said: this is what we all wanted, right? No local sports reporting? Don't mind the idiots who enjoy the sport of hating on journalism.
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Sal is a very good sports radio personality, seems like a terrific guy in all respects, and knows a ton about football. He's not a good sportswriter at all. They are almost mutually exclusive talents. I generally agree but never was really wowed by anything those 3 wrote (though TG did have a few long pieces that were good). But given how many wannabe sports writers there are, this is not that hard to replace.
IDBillzFan Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: Sal is a very good sports radio personality, seems like a terrific guy in all respects, and knows a ton about football. He's not a good sportswriter at all. They are almost mutually exclusive talents. Let's be honest, though. If you have a basic grasp of spelling and grammar, and an above-average grasp of sports, you can be a sports journalist. There is nothing special happening there from a career standpoint beyond earning your stripes to get you access to certain people or player, and that's nothing more than a game of patience. Lori was one of the best around, and she essentially did it for free. Graham is a very good writer. He's also a dime a dozen. 1
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Fadingpain said: Don't mind the idiots who enjoy the sport of hating on journalism. “Journalism.” Sully destroying Mario Williams for having a fridge in his training camp room, calling him a bust for a year, and not once admitting he was wrong after Mario had an all pro season. “Journalism.” 2
Kelly the Dog Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I generally agree but never was really wowed by anything those 3 wrote (though TG did have a few long pieces that were good). But given how many wannabe sports writers there are, this is not that hard to replace. It's not as easy a job as people think. It's like being an NFL analyst on games. It's almost impossible to think of one that everyone likes because it's so hard to do well consistently and please wildly disparate audiences with wildly disparate wants and needs and knowledge base.
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 1 minute ago, LABillzFan said: Let's be honest, though. If you have a basic grasp of spelling and grammar, and an above-average grasp of sports, you can be a sports journalist. There is nothing special happening there from a career standpoint beyond earning your stripes to get you access to certain people or player, and that's nothing more than a game of patience. Lori was one of the best around, and she essentially did it for free. Graham is a very good writer. He's also a dime a dozen. Agree 100%. There are amazing sports writers. But some of these act like they are more valuable than the players. And the thing that always gets me is how they never ever take accountability when they are wrong. Thankfully, there are sites now they bring back their terrible takes.
Kelly the Dog Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: Let's be honest, though. If you have a basic grasp of spelling and grammar, and an above-average grasp of sports, you can be a sports journalist. There is nothing special happening there from a career standpoint beyond earning your stripes to get you access to certain people or player, and that's nothing more than a game of patience. Lori was one of the best around, and she essentially did it for free. Graham is a very good writer. He's also a dime a dozen. See above. Sure, a lot of people can get jobs. No, there are not a lot of good ones because it is actually a very hard job to do. There are a ton of TV writing jobs and TV jobs as a whole. There are not a ton of good TV shows because they are hard to make. 1
sullim4 Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said: I'll ask again, do you consider the Chef's twitter feed when he is cooking you dinner? Do you consider an actor's politics when he or she are performing in a movie or TV show? Do you consider a politician's favorite team when you discuss their politics? Take what he writes for the article's merit. There was nothing of Tim Graham's snarkiness in his terrific five part series on Josh Allen's roots. Zero point zero. I don’t agree with the comparison. A reporter is special in that their twitter feed is easily construed as part of their work product. Oftentimes they (including Tim) will tweet instead of writing a story. I think the way Graham represents himself on Twitter is 100% fair game in terms of his evaluation as a reporter. 2
Fadingpain Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 25 minutes ago, 4_kidd_4 said: Pegula Purge! Can’t wait for homogenized “opinions” dictated from the top. We already live in a society structured in that manner. Every media outlet you care to mention in this country is owned by one of six or so mega conglomerates. The death of the local newspaper is not something to celebrate as Americans. The idiots who like to hate on TBN don't really get that, however. 1
Kelly the Dog Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 1 minute ago, sullim4 said: I don’t agree with the comparison. A reporter is special in that their twitter feed is easily construed as part of their work product. Oftentimes they (including Tim) will tweet instead of writing a story. I think the way Graham represents himself on Twitter is 100% fair game in terms of his evaluation as a reporter. It shouldn't be, and if you are taking it that way then that is your problem and not his, unless you are critiquing his tweet that is an evaluation of a sports issue, and not an exchange with fans. Granted, I will give you the benefit of the doubt on they are not completely the same - the chef and the sportswriter - because the Chef's job of cooking has zero to do with typing words on Twitter. But it is the same thing because if a sportswriter is typing things on twitter it should be construed the same way the Chef's exchange with his fan base or customers or random obnoxious crapthrowers is: Nothing to do with how well he does his job.
IDBillzFan Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: There are not a ton of good TV shows because they are hard to make. And yet there remains a ton of TV shows. Why? Because there are enough people who will watch anything. Graham will find another job, and life will go on, but because there is so much content out there, the reality is that he could never write another published word and you could count the number of people who would notice on the hand of a bad woodshop teacher.
Coach Tuesday Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 (edited) This is where we are in the Post-Truth Era. The internet has democratized knowledge and, at the same time, made it very difficult for print media to turn a profit. Writers are no longer sources of information like they used to be, and mainstream media as an institution has been under attack by lunatics on the fringes who think they know as much (if not more) than experts, intellectuals and reporters because, well, they read stuff online, and also by the supreme lunatic who sits at 1600 Penn. Knowledge itself is under siege - there are no pure "facts" anymore. Mix all that together with the anonymous Internet tough guys on a sports team message board, and you get a thread like this. Edited June 13, 2018 by Coach Tuesday 1 2
Kelly the Dog Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: And yet there remains a ton of TV shows. Why? Because there are enough people who will watch anything. Graham will find another job, and life will go on, but because there is so much content out there, the reality is that he could never write another published word and you could count the number of people who would notice on the hand of a bad woodshop teacher. There are a ton of teachers and there are a ton of good teachers, and it's a hard job. There are a ton of carpenters and there are a ton of good carpenters, and it's a hard job. There are a ton of politicians but there are relatively few good politicians, and it is a hard job. There are a ton of sportswriters but there are relatively few good sportswriters, and it is a hard job. Graham is good at his job, which is a hard job, and which there are relatively few who do it consistently well, regardless of whether you hate him for his personality. 3
DrDawkinstein Posted June 13, 2018 Posted June 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: This is where we are in the Post-Truth Era. The internet has democratized knowledge and, at the same time, made it very difficult for print media to turn a profit. Writers are no longer sources of information like they used to be, and mainstream media as an institution has been under attack by lunatics on the fringes who think they know as much (if not more) than experts, intellectuals and reporters because, well, they read stuff online, and also by the supreme lunatic who sits at 1600 Penn. Knowledge itself is under siege - there are no pure "facts" anymore. Mix all that together with the anonymous Internet tough guys on a sports team message board, and you get a thread like this. I dont disagree with your concern, in general. But specific to this thread and Tim Graham, what you read in here has a lot more to do with his personal interactions on this board and on social media, and how he handles himself.
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