IDBillzFan Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: Those people who think Trump met Kim without any preconditions are lacking the ability to think. There have been a ton of meetings and as our very own DR has pointed out ad nauseam that this outcome (at least up to this point) was preordained. I think the point here is that Obama would have met with Kim under similar conditions. If you bitched about Obama doing this unilaterally, you should B word about Trump doing it. I want to be clear: it's not a question of whether the meeting is right or wrong. It's about being honest with yourself when you critique someone. That Fox News clip is the perfect summation of the right back then. The left is notorious for its hypocrisy. The right needs to be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 not sure what to think about all this, seems good, hope it works i don't have any insider knowledge by security clearance or pulling it out my rear end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: I think the point here is that Obama would have met with Kim under similar conditions. I agree with the sentiment of your post, so I'm not arguing that. But the media trying to make the above point are full of it. Obama had a vested interest in maintaining the status quo in DPRK, he never wanted to do anything about them and never would have sat down with them under similar conditions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 This NK thing has a long way to go before it can be called a success, but Trump has taken the opening kickoff and driven the team into the end zone. Clap, clap, clap, clap, clap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: I think the point here is that Obama would have met with Kim under similar conditions. If you bitched about Obama doing this unilaterally, you should B word about Trump doing it. I want to be clear: it's not a question of whether the meeting is right or wrong. It's about being honest with yourself when you critique someone. That Fox News clip is the perfect summation of the right back then. The left is notorious for its hypocrisy. The right needs to be better. I would not have wanted Obama to meet with Kim because Obama was weak and incompetent and would have no doubt made a bad deal. Just look at the Iran deal. I have no problem with Trump meeting with Kim because Trump is not weak and is competent in negotiating deals. I see no hypocrisy in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 23 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: I think the point here is that Obama would have met with Kim under similar conditions. I don't know if I would agree with this. Obama could have set similar conditions, but didn't. According to Rodman (take it for what it's worth), Kim wanted to meet with Obama, and Obama ignored the request. Obama's policy of "strategic patience" wasn't meant to fix the problem; it was to ignore the problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Buddy Hix said: Trump gave up the exercises for nothing...a concession. For nothing? Showing NK we are serious by agreeing to halt training exercises we've conducted twice a year for many years as a gesture to keep negotiations moving forward? If NK balks as in the past is it really so difficult to reauthorize training exercises? Have we significantly compromised our negotiating strength by doing it? I don't see how. Kim asked for this meeting and offered denuclearization up front. I see Trump's offer as mostly symbolic, but effective given NK's offense at these exercises in the past. Great concession! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 27 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Jim Acosta caught on a hot mic defending his "questions". Starts at 2:41:00 "Hey, if they're not going to let me in the !@#$ing meeting then that's what happens." He has to lose his credentials. The moment isn't about Jim. It's not about Trump. It's not even about Kim. But dammit, Acosta is going to make sure it's about him in the end because he's an asshat, not a journalist. What a terrible look. He absolutely needs to be uncredentialed. In fact, the entirety of CNN should have them revoked. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: I would not have wanted Obama to meet with Kim because Obama was weak and incompetent and would have no doubt made a bad deal. Just look at the Iran deal. I have no problem with Trump meeting with Kim because Trump is not weak and is competent in negotiating deals. I see no hypocrisy in that. Obama was by far the worst President this country has ever seen. Because he is black and the first black President, he gets a free pass. The left and the MSM (who were comatose during the Obama years) can’t stand the fact that Trump is taking a dump on Obama’s “so-called” legacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 3 hours ago, baskin said: Trump hasn't done anything different than the Bushes, Clinton and Obama - NK has pledged before to come correct...and ultimately didn't....maybe this sounds different....maybe this will turn out different...who knows.....based on Trump as POTUS record of accomplishing anything substantive... AFA keeping troops...you do realize that NK has troops on the border as well as weapons directed at SK? You do know that there exists a formal war declaration? You do know that the troops represent an important military presence in the South Pacific....keeping NK and China in check.....you do know that our friends SK and Japan want them there right?.....of course you knew all that.... lol...you got nothing dude....absolutely nothing I'm curious: If either of the Bushes, or Clinton or Obama had held this summit in Singapore and gotten the same document signed by Kim, would you have a different reaction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 1 hour ago, snafu said: I'm curious: If either of the Bushes, or Clinton or Obama had held this summit in Singapore and gotten the same document signed by Kim, would you have a different reaction? Not to speak for him, but pretty sure the answer's: no^2, yes, hell yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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IDBillzFan Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 13 minutes ago, snafu said: I'm curious: If either of the Bushes, or Clinton or Obama had held this summit in Singapore and gotten the same document signed by Kim, would you have a different reaction? Strategic error on your part. The only time to ask baskin a question is if you want him to disappear. He'll reappear under the Tibs username, but he generally doesn't respond to questions, and when he does, it sounds a lot like Vinny Barbarino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 53 minutes ago, Koko78 said: I don't know if I would agree with this. Obama could have set similar conditions, He even could have set a "red line"... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, DC Tom said: He even could have set a "red line"... He was great at speechifying. Not so good at policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: He was great at speechifying. Not so good at policy. But he had a phone and a pen! I guess so he could...write speeches and phone it in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, DC Tom said: But he had a phone and a pen! I guess so he could...write speeches and phone it in? Are we doing the cheese and macaroni thing again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Are we doing the cheese and macaroni thing again? Afterwards a little Jerry's & Ben. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Afterwards a little Jerry's & Ben. I prefer Dazs Haagen, myself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, DC Tom said: I prefer Dazs Haagen, myself... Washed down with Cola Coca? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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