Deranged Rhino Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: Remembering that this has been an ongoing discussion Gained: Three hostages returned, agreement to return POWs and remains, one nuclear test site taken down, one missile test site taken down, commitments to total denuclearization and a formal peace treaty to ending the Korean War. Gave up: One annual war game exercise (which we can do in another location if we so choose, just not on the border), Jim Acosta's pride. Sanctions remain in place (still the most stringent sanctions in US/DPRK history) and all defensive assets remain in place for our allies in the region. The final point there might be the least discussed but most interesting part of the talks. Trump isn't offering to remove troops and assets to make Kim feel safe, he's offering to include DPRK under the umbrella of those assets' protection. That's something no one thought was possible 48 hours ago... And the bolded is why this APPEARS to be far more Reagan/ Gorbachev series of negotiations than any of the prior negotiations w/ NK of the past ~25 years. Other than optics, the US hasn't given up anything to Kim. And the US got them also as well as everything else you've mentioned. As several have stated, thisis only step 1 and there may be backtracking from here. But this is the biggest legitimate 1st step towards a resolution in my lifetime. Edited June 13, 2018 by Taro T 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Taro T said: And the bolded is why this APPEARS to be far more Reagan/ Gorbachev series of negotiations than any of the prior negotiations w/ NK of the past ~25 years. Other than optics, the US hasn't given up anything to Kim. And the US got them as well as everything else you've mentioned. As several have stated, thisis only step 1 and there may be backtracking from here. But this is the biggest legitimate 1st step towards a resolution in my lifetime. Absolutely. And it's really nice to see that the overwhelming majority of people participating in this thread understand the bolded and are supportive of the goal - even if they don't like the administration. That goes for the folks who have completely reasonable questions/concerns about "what comes next" like K-9 and Plenz - even Gary. Really, there's only been the one usual suspect who hasn't been able to look past the partisanship (shocking no one). Gives me hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 You know who else had a summit? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brueggs Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 59 minutes ago, Tiberius said: I might say you have a point, but you have none. What specifically do you object to? Is it you think Trump University wasn't a fraudulent business? Or you think Trump has changed since he ran a fraudulent business? Or something else? You might, but you missed it. When people are blinded by their dislike, they lose the ability to be objective and make sound decisions. I don't expect that you will understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEHARDTRUTH Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Nothing funnier than watching Trumptards try to convince people how smart they are. Absolutely priceless. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 11 minutes ago, THEHARDTRUTH said: Nothing funnier than watching Trumptards try to convince people how smart they are. Absolutely priceless. I find it more depressing than funny, but I know what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 2 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: And if those talks aren't productive we can have the next exercise according to the original schedule. And "not having" isn't the same as "not planning." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: Absolutely. And it's really nice to see that the overwhelming majority of people participating in this thread understand the bolded and are supportive of the goal - even if they don't like the administration. That goes for the folks who have completely reasonable questions/concerns about "what comes next" like K-9 and Plenz - even Gary. Really, there's only been the one usual suspect who hasn't been able to look past the partisanship (shocking no one). Gives me hope. I agree that Trump's taking a leap of faith and negotiating with this despicable tyrant is the right thing to do at this time. However, there's only so many times Lucy can pull the football when it comes to North Korea playing us. Given the history of this regime (who've given up the exact same concessions Kim agreed to last night in the past - hostages, body remains, nuclear test sites), I'm not holding my breath. There's a better chance Josh Allen becomes a competent franchise QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: I agree that Trump's taking a leap of faith and negotiating with this despicable tyrant is the right thing to do at this time. However, there's only so many times Lucy can pull the football when it comes to North Korea playing us. Given the history of this regime (who've given up the exact same concessions Kim agreed to last night in the past - hostages, body remains, nuclear test sites), I'm not holding my breath. There's a better chance Josh Allen becomes a competent franchise QB. Stop right there. I could say that Josh Allen has a 100% chance of becoming a franchise QB so the odds are pretty good Trump pulls this off. I can't do that though because we don't talk football down here. Would you really like to have the likes of gator and THEHARDTRUTH discussing the cover2 in PPP? F IN A Doc, do you want to lose your half-way decent lefty reputation here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 9 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I agree that Trump's taking a leap of faith and negotiating with this despicable tyrant is the right thing to do at this time. However, there's only so many times Lucy can pull the football when it comes to North Korea playing us. Given the history of this regime (who've given up the exact same concessions Kim agreed to last night in the past - hostages, body remains, nuclear test sites), I'm not holding my breath. There's a better chance Josh Allen becomes a competent franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 hour ago, THEHARDTRUTH said: Nothing funnier than watching Trumptards try to convince people how smart they are. Absolutely priceless. That's because your view of the greatest meltdown ever isn't in focus yet. It's glorious, and those of us enjoying it thank you for your dedication to the effort. 2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Jim Acosta's pride. Dude is the poster child for CNN's dysfunction right now. I was reading about his questions today, and heard that video, and it's one of the most brutally embarrassing things I've heard from journalists. Especially the "all day...all day" bit. Tough time to be a leftist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: I agree that Trump's taking a leap of faith and negotiating with this despicable tyrant is the right thing to do at this time. However, there's only so many times Lucy can pull the football when it comes to North Korea playing us. Given the history of this regime (who've given up the exact same concessions Kim agreed to last night in the past - hostages, body remains, nuclear test sites), I'm not holding my breath. There's a better chance Josh Allen becomes a competent franchise QB. I think that there are enough hawks advising Trump that Best Korea pulling the football would end very badly for Lil' Kim. Trump has already shown he has no problem walking away from negotiations, after the North Koreans started pulling their schiff. I hope I'm wrong, but believe that Trump would consider using military options if Kim started violating agreements, pulled out of talks, and the sabre rattling resumed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: Stop right there. I could say that Josh Allen has a 100% chance of becoming a franchise QB so the odds are pretty good Trump pulls this off. I can't do that though because we don't talk football down here. Would you really like to have the likes of gator and THEHARDTRUTH discussing the cover2 in PPP? F IN A Doc, do you want to lose your half-way decent lefty reputation here? The quality of the 30 page National Anthem threads on TSW alone is a good reason not to mix the two. I apologize, but I blame Dennis Rodman. I don't know if I've ever seen gator post on TSW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Koko78 said: I think that there are enough hawks advising Trump that Best Korea pulling the football would end very badly for Lil' Kim. Trump has already shown he has no problem walking away from negotiations, after the North Koreans started pulling their schiff. I hope I'm wrong, but believe that Trump would consider using military options if Kim started violating agreements, pulled out of talks, and the sabre rattling resumed. Bolton bringing up the Libya model for North Korea was interesting to me given his reputation. It seemed like a warning to Kim not to mess with us. Kind of a good cop/bad cop routine with Pompeo being the good cop and Trump being the moderator. I know it won't happen for obvious reasons, but I'd love to see Trump pull a Red Wedding on Kim when he comes to Washington to get ride of that pos once and for all. 3 hours ago, LABillzFan said: Dude is the poster child for CNN's dysfunction right now. I was reading about his questions today, and heard that video, and it's one of the most brutally embarrassing things I've heard from journalists. Especially the "all day...all day" bit. Tough time to be a leftist. I think CNN keeps him on the beat to not "give in" to Trump. Plus, I wouldn't see another person wanting his job at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 (edited) I think that the most likely way for things to back track in North Korea, is if Kim Jong were assassinated. Other than that, I think things will be fine, and keep moving in a positive direction. Well, at least as long as Trump is in office. After that, Trump's successor might be a Swamp guy, and then it could be back to tensions. Edited June 13, 2018 by OJABBA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 8 hours ago, THEHARDTRUTH said: Nothing funnier than watching Trumptards try to convince people how smart they are. Absolutely priceless. Sorry for your loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 10 hours ago, Brueggs said: You might, but you missed it. When people are blinded by their dislike, they lose the ability to be objective and make sound decisions. I don't expect that you will understand. Oh try me. I think you are too stupid to articulate a point, but I invite you (Trumptard) to try, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 14 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: Why is that racist? Because your animosity towards the man based on his skin colour is obvious. Just let it out... How do you come to the conclusion that BO was the worst president ever and got a pass based on being black? I’m just curious as to how you compartmentalize your bias. I mean Clinton got the ball rolling on bank deregulation and Bush took the ball over the goal line causing a massive global recession. Bush also created a war that achieved nothing and was based on nothing. Nixon was turfed for committing crimes... but yeah BO is the worst ever. 14 hours ago, njbuff said: You aren’t allowed to criticize non whites in this country under any circumstances. The word racist is so overused these days and the word “racist” has ZERO meaning to me and any other person with a brain in their heads. LMAO 12 hours ago, LABillzFan said: Do you honestly, genuinely believe that was a racist comment, or did you just see a criticism of Obama and automatically yell "RACIST!"? I genuinely think the colour of BO’s skin plays a role in that guy’s view that BO is the worst president ever. And it’s further demonstrated by his wanting to blame BO’s skin for shielding the man from criticism. You honestly think that there isn’t a current of racism that drives the hate of BO and the love of Trump? And that the right isn’t aware of it and playing into it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 A real leader responds: Quote A voice of sanity. “Democrats are calling President Trump‘s praise of North Korean leader Kim Jong Un ’embarrassing’ while criticizing him for offering concessions in exchange of vague promises from Pyongyang. ‘In his haste to reach an agreement, President Trump elevated North Korea to the level of the United States while preserving the regime’s status quo,’ House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said in a scathing statement.” Appeasement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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