Seanbillsfan2206 Posted July 2, 2018 Posted July 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Jauronimo said: I'll take that bet but you seem very sure so I want odds. 3/1 they don't win the Cup next year. One million dollars
JohnC Posted July 2, 2018 Posted July 2, 2018 32 minutes ago, GG said: Against better judgment I went through the thread. It struck me odd that they complained most that Botts didn't get a D-man in return. The proper response would have been - yeah, sure would have been nice to get Myers, Pysyk & McNabb in return This was a fair-value deal for the Sabres and for the Blues. If Tag can develop and contribute then it would be a very good deal for us. As I said in prior posts no one is going to be hustled for or against. We made a deal that suited our interests and they did the same. I really hope that Bogo can stay healthy and play to his talents. He fits in with the Housley system because he is such a good skater. I just wish he would be less of a banger and be more of a skating and puck moving defenseman. That might help to keep him healthier.
Fadingpain Posted July 2, 2018 Posted July 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, JohnC said: This was a fair-value deal for the Sabres and for the Blues. If Tag can develop and contribute then it would be a very good deal for us. As I said in prior posts no one is going to be hustled for or against. We made a deal that suited our interests and they did the same. I really hope that Bogo can stay healthy and play to his talents. He fits in with the Housley system because he is such a good skater. I just wish he would be less of a banger and be more of a skating and puck moving defenseman. That might help to keep him healthier. Bogo is a bust and he is on the way out the door. Just a question of when he goes. I was all in favor of moving ROR but I'm not sure we got enough in return. We got a lot of parts, but not sure any of them add up to what we should have gotten. ROR is the best face-off man in the league and a really strong defensive center man. He is worth his weight in gold to the right team. Unfortunately, the Sabres are not the right team at this point in his career. His age is too out of whack with our developing core of players anyway. He didn't fit plus he was actively engaged in a "Trade me" campaign all last year... He needed to move on, just hope one of the pieces coming back matures into something special.
Dante Posted July 2, 2018 Posted July 2, 2018 On 7/1/2018 at 10:16 AM, 26CornerBlitz said: They will score plenty of goals, but their defense corps and goaltending are question marks. After watching the Leafs in the playoffs this spring I didn't think they would go in this direction. I mean, it's never a bad thing getting Taveras. But the playoffs showed a definite lack of grit and defensive competency. I thought the smarter move for them would be to sign James Neal (6 million) who is a playoff stud. Then make a deal with the Kings for Dana Muzzin on D. Capable, playoff proven gritty and solid as it gets. Kings need team speed and Leafs have lots of that they could deal. Anyway, reportedly the Sharks were offering JT upwards of 13 million per year. I don't know, I would have been a little uncomfortable with that. I would rather have someone like Neal and another real good player for the same price.
JohnC Posted July 2, 2018 Posted July 2, 2018 32 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: Bogo is a bust and he is on the way out the door. Just a question of when he goes. I was all in favor of moving ROR but I'm not sure we got enough in return. We got a lot of parts, but not sure any of them add up to what we should have gotten. ROR is the best face-off man in the league and a really strong defensive center man. He is worth his weight in gold to the right team. Unfortunately, the Sabres are not the right team at this point in his career. His age is too out of whack with our developing core of players anyway. He didn't fit plus he was actively engaged in a "Trade me" campaign all last year... He needed to move on, just hope one of the pieces coming back matures into something special. We got what we could get for him. There were other teams interested in him so it is obvious that our GM felt that the Blues offer was the best in the market. Not only did the GM move out a player who didn't want to be here and a player the GM believed that he needed to move but he moved a player with a long term expensive contract. That certainly will help in the not too distant future when he has to re-sign his players and acquire players. As you indicated a more accurate evaluation of this deal will come in the future when the younger player and picks in the deal can be more accurately assessed. Overall, I have no problem with this deal.
26CornerBlitz Posted July 2, 2018 Author Posted July 2, 2018 44 minutes ago, Dante said: After watching the Leafs in the playoffs this spring I didn't think they would go in this direction. I mean, it's never a bad thing getting Taveras. But the playoffs showed a definite lack of grit and defensive competency. I thought the smarter move for them would be to sign James Neal (6 million) who is a playoff stud. Then make a deal with the Kings for Dana Muzzin on D. Capable, playoff proven gritty and solid as it gets. Kings need team speed and Leafs have lots of that they could deal. Anyway, reportedly the Sharks were offering JT upwards of 13 million per year. I don't know, I would have been a little uncomfortable with that. I would rather have someone like Neal and another real good player for the same price. Hard to pass up on a great player like JT at a discount. We'll see what other moves they have in store, but they have to take care of Matthews, Marner, and Nylander.
26CornerBlitz Posted July 2, 2018 Author Posted July 2, 2018 That would be interesting to say the least.
26CornerBlitz Posted July 3, 2018 Author Posted July 3, 2018 7-2: Lou Korac of NHL.com with Sal Capaccio on the Ryan O'Reilly trade (17:36)
26CornerBlitz Posted July 3, 2018 Author Posted July 3, 2018 From The Athletic:Oh, really! Just when a trade for Ryan O'Reilly looked dead,... Armstrong was somehow able to make the deal without giving up the Blues’ top prospects: Thomas, Jordan Kyrou and Klim Kostin. “I know Buffalo is really excited about Tage Thompson,” Armstrong said. “We didn’t want to give Tage up, either, but we do value Robert Thomas as a centerman. I think I’ve been pretty consistent for a while that we weren’t trading him until we know exactly what he can do because center icemen are hard to find. And Kyrou is a player that really excites us just with his speed. You have to give to get, and giving up Tage was difficult, but we’re excited about our return.” Thompson, 20, was the Blues’ first-round pick in 2016. He played 41 NHL games as a rookie last season out of necessity and had his moments, registering three goals and nine points. But the 6-foot-5, 205-pound right winger also showed some flaws that might have worried the Blues. “Tage, listen, I think he’s got potential,” said Corey Pronman, The Athletic‘s prospect guru. “I think he might be a second-line forward one day. He’s 6-foot-5, he’s got high-end puck skills, a high-end shot, makes plays. But he doesn’t play with pace, he takes shifts off here and there, and he’s got some room to develop. I think with Buffalo, he’ll be a potential second-line, third-line guy, play some power play. That’s what I see him topping out as. You didn’t want to lose Thomas, and you didn’t want to lose Kyrou. Those are the two big pieces, and you couldn’t lose either two of those guys, particularly Thomas. I did not see any way they could have included him.”
KD in CA Posted July 3, 2018 Posted July 3, 2018 32 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: But he doesn’t play with pace, he takes shifts off here and there He doesn’t sound like a ‘process’ guy.
26CornerBlitz Posted July 3, 2018 Author Posted July 3, 2018 1 minute ago, KD in CA said: He doesn’t sound like a ‘process’ guy. Depends on the situation or scenario.
BillsFan4 Posted July 3, 2018 Posted July 3, 2018 (edited) https://apnews.com/f4b8d724ec614d8fa2c61bc0daeaf785 This article leaves little doubt in my mind that he wanted/needed a trade. Quote "I couldn't be happier going to St. Louis. I'm absolutely thrilled," he said. "I feel like I have a spark in me now. It's something different." Quote “There’s something different. It’s interesting how it happened, but I’m happy, I’m excited and I don’t regret anything that’s happened." I take that as he doesn't regret saying what he did even though it led to a trade, which makes me think maybe that was part of his end goal? Quote “My first year in Buffalo, I was really trying to feel things out, and being kind of young at that time, getting that contract, I don’t think I kind of got a hold of the situation as best I could have,” O’Reilly said. “I don’t think I was ready for that situation as best as possible. But I think going to St. Louis with all the kinds of things in play, the veterans that they have there, that it’s something that’s easier to kind of jump into.” I take that as him Saying he basically wasn't equipped to handle the situation in Buffalo, and will be a much better fit on a veteran team, where he doesn't have the burden of being looked at as a leader. Quote “He’s got great passion for the sport,” Armstrong said. “He’s got great passion to compete and to win and hopefully this gives him the boost that he feels is necessary that he can come in here and quite honestly we need that boost.” Sounds like he may have possibly mentioned something to Doug Armstrong about feeling that he needed a change of scenery to get that "boost" or passion back in his game. I don't know, maybe it's just me looking for reasons he had to be traded, but I am becoming more and more convinced that it had to happen. Edited July 3, 2018 by BillsFan4
eball Posted July 3, 2018 Posted July 3, 2018 The more I look at this trade the more I believe it was a good trade for both teams. ROR doesn't have to be looked at as the "leader" and can fit in with the vets on that team and do what he does. He clearly doesn't have the mental makeup to be "the man" -- that was evident in his admission after the season, and even in the comments he made about his first year there. St. Louis is a good landing spot and I bet he'll do well. The Sabres accomplished a significant goal of removing a potentially negative presence when they've got a group of young guys they want to build around. Even if you don't believe ROR's presence was "negative" it certainly wasn't the leadership role they wanted/needed from him. In return they got two very solid vets (who are also pretty good faceoff men) and a prospect with a potential top 6 ceiling. Not to mention the draft picks. Most importantly, they acquired veterans (including Hutton in this also) who bring the type of character they're trying to build in the room. 1
26CornerBlitz Posted July 3, 2018 Author Posted July 3, 2018 7-3: Newest Sabres' Goalie Carter Hutton with Jeremy White on WGR (8:49) Newest #Sabres goalie Carter Hutton (@CarterHutton) joins Jeremy White right now on WGR! Tune in: Hutton - Buffalo was the right fit all around, it made sense. Me knowing Jerry Forton, Andrew Allen, and Phil Housley, it was a comfort factor for me. Just to be part of the turn around is something I take pride in. Looking forward to it. #Sabres Hutton - we haven't talked a ton of numbers, but I think the main goal is for me to come in and win hockey games while not rushing Linus Ullmark. You don't want things to get rushed for him. I'm committed to the team and here to help everyone get better. #Sabres Hutton - I try not to get caught up in the numbers and what's going on stats wise. As I've gotten more mature and come into the NHL, you just go out and focus on winning hockey games. If we're winning and playing well, the rest will take care of itself. #Sabres Hutton - The #Sabres thought that with the younger group that's on the team, I'd bring some good veteran leadership. Guys know who I am and what I am about, and the younger guys will be able to lean on me. #Sabres Hutton - I think the guys coming to Buffalo in the O'Reilly trade will be excited knowing that I am coming along with them as well. #Sabres
plenzmd1 Posted July 3, 2018 Posted July 3, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, GG said: And once again, Crayonz nailed it. Plenty of us here who believe in advanced stats could see ROR was not getting it done as early as January of his 2nd year. Going back to that year one could also see that Risto was really struggling as well..team had much better possession numbers and entries when Risto was not on the ice. I was getting killed on here for saying they were better with him off the ice. Now folks are starting to come around on that a bit. I know I was early, but I was off the GMTM bandwagon with the Lehner and Pysck trades, as was Craoynz. He was a little more vocal about his hate for Lehner...but lots of folks hated that trade. I will grant we were two of the early ones saying Murray talked a great game and gave great interview...but those two trades just convinced me dude was an idiot and had to go. Also funny when I think back to the arguments we had that year whether to trade Kane or not. I was convinced that core was never going to work, and wanted a Kane trade that year, not last year. Think you could have received a much better return if he was not a pure rental, but no way GMTM was getting rid of one of "his" guys. Edited July 3, 2018 by plenzmd1
Dr. Who Posted July 3, 2018 Posted July 3, 2018 12 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Plenty of us here who believe in advanced stats could see ROR was not getting it done as early as January of his 2nd year. Going back to that year one could also see that Risto was really struggling as well..team had much better possession numbers and entries when Risto was not on the ice. I was getting killed on here for saying they were better with him off the ice. Now folks are starting to come around on that a bit. What is your current opinion of Risto? I still think with reduced minutes, he can be valuable to the team going forward. Some seem to think he is a good chip to help acquire a top six winger. I dunno. Certainly, Botterill has now packed the pipeline for D.
Dante Posted July 3, 2018 Posted July 3, 2018 18 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Hard to pass up on a great player like JT at a discount. We'll see what other moves they have in store, but they have to take care of Matthews, Marner, and Nylander. It would be great karma if the Sharks submitted an offer sheet for Matthews next year. Since we will have lots of cap space. Him being a hometown boy (San Ramon, Ca)he can come home just like Tavares!
shrader Posted July 3, 2018 Posted July 3, 2018 59 minutes ago, Dante said: It would be great karma if the Sharks submitted an offer sheet for Matthews next year. Since we will have lots of cap space. Him being a hometown boy (San Ramon, Ca)he can come home just like Tavares! I'm not sure what the purpose of an offer sheet would be. Toronto is going to back the brinks truck up to his house anyway. You can't stick them with a cap hit they weren't already expecting and they certainly don't have any issues with spending money.
Dante Posted July 3, 2018 Posted July 3, 2018 44 minutes ago, shrader said: I'm not sure what the purpose of an offer sheet would be. Toronto is going to back the brinks truck up to his house anyway. You can't stick them with a cap hit they weren't already expecting and they certainly don't have any issues with spending money. I know they can. Funny thing is this move doesn't address any of their weaknesses. They still don't win the cup. At least with their current lineup.
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