H2o Posted June 11, 2018 Posted June 11, 2018 You know what Mahomes and Allen have accomplished so far? Absolutely nothing. Until they show anything on the field it's a wasted argument. Fans of each organization can hold out high hopes, but we have to wait and see how it plays out on the field. 1 2
Jay_Fixit Posted June 11, 2018 Posted June 11, 2018 (edited) On 6/9/2018 at 2:52 PM, GaryPinC said: Allen is a better athlete then Mahomes? Not on this planet. Mahomes is far more mobile and accurate off balance then Allen. Allen is a great athlete for being a 6'5" gork, but Mahomes is quicker and more agile. Allen has a slightly stronger arm but Mahomes isn't far behind. Both QB's get the ball out very quickly but I give the edge to Mahomes because he's more compact. As far as Mahomes' footwork, a good part of it is unorthodox because he used to be a pitcher and that's the footwork he uses on his long throws. It's not like he doesn't set his feet it's just very unorthodox in this sport. The thing that separates Mahomes from almost any other quarterback is he processes the game and makes decisions at a very high level. The guy who wrote this article gets it, just check out the videos and explanations if you don't feel like wading through all the prose: https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/1/3/16842168/patrick-mahomes-all-22-vs-the-broncos-buckle-up That's why the Chiefs had no problem trading Alex Smith, not because of Mahomes' stats or any one play he did or didn't make. He got out there vs a pressure Bronco defense and made good reads and quick decisions. Mahomes was quite inconsistent vs Denver and made a few really fluky back foot heave completions. Completions teams in contention won’t let happen again. It’s going to be an up and down year for KC. I’d be quite nervous that a guy with the worst footwork I’ve ever seen on a first round QB is behind center. Has he corrected the issue? Maybe. But it’s probable he reverts back in the heat of the moment. I bet he’s being questioned as the future by his 3rd year. Mahomes. LOL Edited June 11, 2018 by Jay_Fixit
LaDexter Posted June 11, 2018 Posted June 11, 2018 15 hours ago, BB@Shooter said: I for one was suprised Jones even got drafted His final season in Columbus saw a new OC install a route tree offense, and Cardale was indeed lost in that offense, as were others. The prior offense was simple. The game against Wisconsin was simple, as Wisconsin wanted to make Ohio State's 3rd string QB beat them... and he did like 50-0 with quickly released lasers that were right on target, but just against man coverage and usually his first read. Both Cardale and Allen trust their legs too much. Cardale actually has better accuracy, a stronger arm, and a quicker release. There was no harm in doing what Rex wanted to do... give Cardale three starts. We'll never know what would have happened, but when Phil Rivers is done with LAC, we will find out something...
eball Posted June 11, 2018 Posted June 11, 2018 1 hour ago, LaDexter said: His final season in Columbus saw a new OC install a route tree offense, and Cardale was indeed lost in that offense, as were others. The prior offense was simple. The game against Wisconsin was simple, as Wisconsin wanted to make Ohio State's 3rd string QB beat them... and he did like 50-0 with quickly released lasers that were right on target, but just against man coverage and usually his first read. Both Cardale and Allen trust their legs too much. Cardale actually has better accuracy, a stronger arm, and a quicker release. There was no harm in doing what Rex wanted to do... give Cardale three starts. We'll never know what would have happened, but when Phil Rivers is done with LAC, we will find out something... just 'cause you type it doesn't make it true...
LaDexter Posted June 11, 2018 Posted June 11, 2018 Well, if I can offer one suggestion to the Bills about QB, it would be this one... claim Luis Perez if the LAR cut him. My favorite QB last year was undrafted Taysom Hill of BYU. The Pack cut him.... so he must be a total bust... except the Saints kinda like him now.... vs Cardale's release is the best I've ever seen. He never turns the ball around like Allen does above. Cardale's motion is literally how I would throw a dart. No wind-up. From decision to throw, he may be the fastest ever...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 11, 2018 Posted June 11, 2018 16 hours ago, OJABBA said: I heard Allen is really terrible, and the team is already worried...(I read it on a message board) ...are you sure he hasn't been released yet?...the "TBD One 'N Done Gang" is lurking........
oldmanfan Posted June 11, 2018 Posted June 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, LaDexter said: Well, if I can offer one suggestion to the Bills about QB, it would be this one... claim Luis Perez if the LAR cut him. My favorite QB last year was undrafted Taysom Hill of BYU. The Pack cut him.... so he must be a total bust... except the Saints kinda like him now.... vs Cardale's release is the best I've ever seen. He never turns the ball around like Allen does above. Cardale's motion is literally how I would throw a dart. No wind-up. From decision to throw, he may be the fastest ever... You may be too young to remember, but pull up a YouTube video of a guy named Marino. It might be educational. 2
LaDexter Posted June 11, 2018 Posted June 11, 2018 Yeah, Marino had a very quick release. The motion also dictates the quickness issue. Byron Leftwich had a huge wind-up - took forever to get rid of the ball. Cardale has a very fast release. Allen doesn't.
oldmanfan Posted June 11, 2018 Posted June 11, 2018 1 minute ago, LaDexter said: Yeah, Marino had a very quick release. The motion also dictates the quickness issue. Byron Leftwich had a huge wind-up - took forever to get rid of the ball. Cardale has a very fast release. Allen doesn't. Yes. You claimed Jones is the fastest ever. Uh, no. And Allen is not as slow nor Jones as fast as you claim. And Jones sits because there is a lot more to playing QB in the bigs that your arm. Let's see what Allen does before passing sentence.
LaDexter Posted June 11, 2018 Posted June 11, 2018 Cardale Jones is a perfect QB prospect except for what is between his ears. QBs sit and start. You can't judge them until they get 5 or so full games. Rex wanted to give Cardale 3, and the Bills should have allowed that. Rodgers sat for 3-4 years behind Favre. We'll see Allen before Cardale unless Rivers gets hurt. I wish Allen had a better supporting cast to get his feet wet. Many talented QBs fail in the NFL because they have no support. David Carr was a lot better QB than his little brother....
MakeBuffaloGreatAgain Posted June 11, 2018 Posted June 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, LaDexter said: Yeah, Marino had a very quick release. The motion also dictates the quickness issue. Byron Leftwich had a huge wind-up - took forever to get rid of the ball. Cardale has a very fast release. Allen doesn't. you sure Allen doesn't have a fast release? I am going to go look that up right now. 1
oldmanfan Posted June 11, 2018 Posted June 11, 2018 1 minute ago, LaDexter said: Cardale Jones is a perfect QB prospect except for what is between his ears. QBs sit and start. You can't judge them until they get 5 or so full games. Rex wanted to give Cardale 3, and the Bills should have allowed that. Rodgers sat for 3-4 years behind Favre. We'll see Allen before Cardale unless Rivers gets hurt. I wish Allen had a better supporting cast to get his feet wet. Many talented QBs fail in the NFL because they have no support. David Carr was a lot better QB than his little brother.... Couldn't agree more about support. It is a team game. I would say I'm intrigued to see what Daboll brings to the table.
LaDexter Posted June 11, 2018 Posted June 11, 2018 Look at the way he turns the ball in the above photo. That is not a "fast" release motion. It isn't Byron Leftwich's windmill motion, or Mark Rypien's.... but it isn't a short, compact motion... the ball is fully turned around during the wind-up....
Dr. Who Posted June 11, 2018 Posted June 11, 2018 1 minute ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said: you sure Allen doesn't have a fast release? I am going to go look that up right now. I am pretty sure the fella that moved to NFL Network (the Sports Science guy) -- along with Trent Dilfer -- indicated that Allen had a quick release on par with Brady. Now I don't know about throwing motion and how that is factored in or not. 2
eball Posted June 11, 2018 Posted June 11, 2018 Stop feeding the Chefs troll, guys. He’s making crap up and getting your goat. 2
MakeBuffaloGreatAgain Posted June 11, 2018 Posted June 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, LaDexter said: Look at the way he turns the ball in the above photo. That is not a "fast" release motion. It isn't Byron Leftwich's windmill motion, or Mark Rypien's.... but it isn't a short, compact motion... the ball is fully turned around during the wind-up.... Strengths: Allen is a quarterback that can be trusted to sling it all over the field for four quarters. His mechanics are clean and polished, and arm strength will never be a problem for him in the NFL. There isn’t a long-distance throw that he can’t make, nor a part of the field that he can’t attack. He throws on the run at an elite level, and his release is quick enough to squeeze it into tight windows during broken plays. Hmmmm, I think you may be talking out of the wrong end. Assumptions aren't always better than facts. 3
LaDexter Posted June 11, 2018 Posted June 11, 2018 Yeah, I am "making up" Allen's motion... and I PhotoShopped a pic to back it up... NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go read how a quality team acquires QB talent at the right price.... https://www.idahostatesman.com/sports/nfl/article212840789.html 2 minutes ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said: release is quick enough Josh Allen's release is not at all out of the ordinary for an NFL QB... but it is not a QUICK one... and your parroting doesn't even say it is... 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 11, 2018 Posted June 11, 2018 ..bet he's doing just fine much to the chagrin of the "El Busto" prognosticators......unconfirmed reports say surveillance and security has been increased on the Peace Bridge for potential jumpers.....
Dr. Who Posted June 11, 2018 Posted June 11, 2018 12 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ..bet he's doing just fine much to the chagrin of the "El Busto" prognosticators......unconfirmed reports say surveillance and security has been increased on the Peace Bridge for potential jumpers..... Kdiggz, if you still lurk here, don't do it! 1
Albwan Posted June 11, 2018 Posted June 11, 2018 I'm rapidly becoming disinterested in football, but i will be rooting for josh to be good just because i know so many will be rooting hard against him. Here's hoping for lots of triggering when josh throws multiple td's in one game.
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