leh-nerd skin-erd Posted yesterday at 02:52 AM Posted yesterday at 02:52 AM 3 hours ago, 4th&long said: And there are no answers to be found by simply shouting accountability. The only thing I've seen so far that I trust is that the mayor cut the budget and staff and that comes from the fire chief. She wanted more money for more staff and treating to adequately fight these fires. What you trust is irrelevant to anyone beyond you, but you’re correct— if accountability is simply a talking point nothing changes.
4th&long Posted yesterday at 02:53 AM Posted yesterday at 02:53 AM (edited) 28 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said: Ok, that is quite the response, but what evidence do you have that LA/Cali has done enough to prep for and prevent forest fires? Also where did the hydrants stop in Oregon and Colorado, a simple Google did not bring them up. It was in that article that was quoted in that last response. How true is it? Unlike you I don't claim to be an expert, I try to read news that is not slanted to one side or the other which I know is very hard to find these days. I have a news app that pulls in articles from many sources. I don't watch fox and I don't watch CNN. I didn't claim LA/Cali has done enough. That is why I said I wouldn't be shocked to find out govt failed people. I just want proof before I play the blame game. If you truly were involved with insurance and the state of Cali then you know they fight these huge fires from the air. They could not do that with 100 mph winds for at least the first 48 hours. That gave these fires the upper hand. I know I could not do my job successfully without my main tool/tools. I'm positive their infrastructure will be better when they rebuild. I'd put my money on they have water tanks that refill 10x faster at least. Edited yesterday at 03:04 AM by 4th&long
4th&long Posted yesterday at 02:59 AM Posted yesterday at 02:59 AM 2 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: What you trust is irrelevant to anyone beyond you, but you’re correct— if accountability is simply a talking point nothing changes. Exactly. Just like if Orlando or someone else doesn't believe what was reported about why the fire hydrants failed it means nothing to me. I posted what I found, I can't make them believe it. At this point accountability it's just a talking point. When we find out what the truth is then there can be true accountability. And I think we will find out thru law suits. Not trusting any govt agency.
Orlando Buffalo Posted yesterday at 03:46 AM Posted yesterday at 03:46 AM 38 minutes ago, 4th&long said: It was in that article that was quoted in that last response. How true is it? Unlike you I don't claim to be an expert, I try to read news that is not slanted to one side or the other which I know is very hard to find these days. I have a news app that pulls in articles from many sources. I don't watch fox and I don't watch CNN. I didn't claim LA/Cali has done enough. That is why I said I wouldn't be shocked to find out govt failed people. I just want proof before I play the blame game. If you truly were involved with insurance and the state of Cali then you know they fight these huge fires from the air. They could not do that with 100 mph winds for at least the first 48 hours. That gave these fires the upper hand. I know I could not do my job successfully without my main tool/tools. I'm positive their infrastructure will be better when they rebuild. I'd put my money on they have water tanks that refill 10x faster at least. I found your article https://www.axios.com/local/portland/2024/08/21/oregon-wildfire-season-record-breaking And the links in the article do not mention hydrants running out, so their source is themselves. I do want to go back to your comments about homeschooling- I applaud people who take their children's education seriously, it is one thing we certainly have in common. I am proud of where I work and my children do very well there but I know there are few public schools in this country that offer the same opportunities.
4th&long Posted yesterday at 04:03 AM Posted yesterday at 04:03 AM 7 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said: I found your article https://www.axios.com/local/portland/2024/08/21/oregon-wildfire-season-record-breaking And the links in the article do not mention hydrants running out, so their source is themselves. I do want to go back to your comments about homeschooling- I applaud people who take their children's education seriously, it is one thing we certainly have in common. I am proud of where I work and my children do very well there but I know there are few public schools in this country that offer the same opportunities. Yes I read the article and hit the links. I thought it was the professor or whoever that was from the college in Arizona that said that about the other states? I'll have to look at it again. I don't see a reason he would lie? The whole thing is getting boring to me tho. Like I told len I'm sure we will find out in law suits. It will take a long time and I certainly don't plan on going back and forth the whole time. And I'm sure you are a fine teacher. There are many reasons we home schooled our kids. https://www.axios.com/2025/01/11/fire-hydrants-dry-wildfires-los-angeles?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=user/AxiosNews This is the article I had which had a link in it to the one you found as well as the ones for Hawaii and Colorado. But none of them bring up the hydrants running dry. Probably because it wasn't highly politicized?
BillsFanNC Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago Fire hydrants don't work against wildfires you idiots! But a pool pump might! 1
BillsFanNC Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago I certainly hope that she wasn't following Joe's lead with classified docs in the garage...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago 3 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: I certainly hope that she wasn't following Joe's lead with classified docs in the garage... If so, let’s pray she has a 1970 GTO nearby and qualifies for the Classic American Muscle Car/Forgetful Yet Kindly and Well Intentioned Classified Documents Slippage exemption. Then, healing can commence.
BillsFanNC Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago 🎯 If you live in Pacific Palisades, you paid your dues... Doctors, lawyers, agents, entrepreneurs, etc. You believed in the American Dream. You paid your taxes. You trusted the system. Then you adopted luxury beliefs like Affirmative Action and DEI and Climate Change™ and Science™. And they ***** you. It's time to wake up. 1
4th&long Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 1 minute ago, BillsFanNC said: Sane coherent analysis. Fake news. Satan is the father of the lie. Maga is allergic to truth.
Orlando Buffalo Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna187217 The quote here is that 120 million gallons of water likely would have been inconsequential to the fires. Marty Adams, a former general manager of the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, said it is unlikely to have made a significant difference in the battle against the Palisades Fire, which burned through 20,000 acres as of Friday afternoon. The water at this point is not enough to save the day but when it was only a few hundred acres it would have made a big difference. 1
B-Man Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago California Governor Gavin Newsom’s role in the horrific SoCal wildfires that have engulfed the state just got more damning. Newsweek on Friday uncovered explosive evidence that just months before devastating wildfires, which have so far killed at least ten people and destroyed countless homes, Newsom approved at least $101 million worth of cuts from seven “wildfire and forest resilience” programs. The reductions, which were part of last year’s state budget and signed by Newsom in June, included a $5 million decrease for CalFire on fuel reduction teams. These included revenue used to fund vegetation management work by the California National Guard. Do you think that additional money would have been useful, considering these wildfires are now the worst in American history? https://www.newsweek.com/gavin-newsom-cut-100m-fire-prevention-budget-before-california-fires-2012980 https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/01/tomorrow-yikes-gavin-newsom-slashed-state-fire-budget/
4th&long Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 8 minutes ago, B-Man said: California Governor Gavin Newsom’s role in the horrific SoCal wildfires that have engulfed the state just got more damning. Newsweek on Friday uncovered explosive evidence that just months before devastating wildfires, which have so far killed at least ten people and destroyed countless homes, Newsom approved at least $101 million worth of cuts from seven “wildfire and forest resilience” programs. The reductions, which were part of last year’s state budget and signed by Newsom in June, included a $5 million decrease for CalFire on fuel reduction teams. These included revenue used to fund vegetation management work by the California National Guard. Do you think that additional money would have been useful, considering these wildfires are now the worst in American history? https://www.newsweek.com/gavin-newsom-cut-100m-fire-prevention-budget-before-california-fires-2012980 https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/01/tomorrow-yikes-gavin-newsom-slashed-state-fire-budget/ Thanks for the link so we can get the whole truth. Fire budget went from$1.1 billion in 2014 to $3.3 billion in 2023. Personnel from 5,000 to 10,000. And up to ($3.8 billion in 2024.) so they obviously have not been spending any money laid everyone off, and stopped watering and raking the forest. Newsome will be hung in the middle of LA and Republicans will run the state.
B-Man Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago In LA fire horror, California elites face the consequences of blue misrule By Karol Markowicz The vivid, heartbreaking images from this week’s Los Angeles wildfires called urgent attention to California’s longtime decline. But this time, those affected by its bad policies and bad governance include a demographic rarely touched by them: the rich. Over the last several years, California’s net out-migration numbers set records. An astounding 343,000 more people left the Golden State than moved to it in 2022, the highest net loss of any state, and 2023 was almost as bad, with a net loss of 268,100. But the wealthy of California largely stayed put. It was mostly the lower and middle classes, walloped by notoriously high taxes, mismanagement at every level of government and crumbling infrastructure, who made a run for the door. The affluent have been largely protected from all that. They could easily absorb the heavy tax burden and the high costs of housing or gas. Like Gov. Gavin Newsom, they could avoid their state’s failing public schools and send their kids to private schools instead. But no water in a fire hydrant is a great equalizer. Comedian Billy Crystal lost his home — all but its tennis court — in Pacific Palisades. The homes of actors Anthony Hopkins, Miles Teller and John Goodman were wiped out there, too. Heiress Paris Hilton said she saw her luxe Malibu vacation house “burn to the ground on live TV.” It’s unpleasant to talk about the politics that led to the loss of entire neighborhoods, but it’s necessary to examine the terrible policies that led to this preventable disaster. After over a decade of one-party rule, California has become the testing ground for the left’s most extreme ideas — and we are seeing the results in real time now. https://nypost.com/2025/01/10/opinion/la-fires-make-calif-elites-face-the-results-of-blue-misrule/
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