California (again)

[Biden is Mentally Fit]

9 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

The mistake that many are making here on PPP is thinking that this disaster is unique to the Dem politicians in CA.

The mistake that you are making is believing that by merely pointing out the many failures in California, people are thinking it’s unique to that particular state. A state run by democrats for a very long time. Nobody believes that. The failures are many. The people in charge own them, and in this case that is decades worth of democrats. Somebody has to take the heat. That’s generally the people in charge and that’s life. 

[US Egg]

A reporter just stated that the Palisades fire is at least 2 1/2 miles wide in his estimation.

[4th&long]

6 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

So if you agree that the government is too blame for this response what are we arguing about? 

I said I wouldn't be surprised government failed. I didn't say they did. I'll wait to facts come out before I pass judgemental. I am arguing against Maga lies. You said they ran out of water. I'm sure you are just repeating trump and other right wing Maga lies. Trump stared with his bull#### some fish that they were trying to Save and they were out of water because of it. I am sick of Maga right wing lies especially during natural disasters. Did Trump start in with fems out of money again? Lol he's such an ####### you guys believe severing he says. 

12 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said:

They believe the same government, and more of it, is the solution.....

Fake news. 

[4th&long]

24 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

The mistake that many are making here on PPP is thinking that this disaster is unique to the Dem politicians in CA. The mismatch of infrastructure to needs to respond to a disaster is not unique to CA. CA is under the microscope just because this time, the disaster happened there. In North Carolina, 104 people died from the floods caused by hurricane Helene with 54 billion $ in damage. All over America, in red and blue states, people are living in places of high risk, with emergency response capabilities inadequate to the increasing severity of potential disasters. Infrastructure everywhere needs upgrading to be adequate for the changing climate. Building high density housing with flammable materials and landscape vegetation in fire prone ecosystems is a dumb idea. New homes and buildings in CA survived the fires due to use of more fire proof materials. 

I fear a natural disaster in my area because of this. You see little hints of it all over the country like sink holes opening up in the middle of a street because of a water leak. Bridge collapses, People died in Texas because of Winter storm. Nice power grid! 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

46 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

The mistake that many are making here on PPP is thinking that this disaster is unique to the Dem politicians in CA. The mismatch of infrastructure to needs to respond to a disaster is not unique to CA. CA is under the microscope just because this time, the disaster happened there. In North Carolina, 104 people died from the floods caused by hurricane Helene with 54 billion $ in damage. All over America, in red and blue states, people are living in places of high risk, with emergency response capabilities inadequate to the increasing severity of potential disasters. Infrastructure everywhere needs upgrading to be adequate for the changing climate. Building high density housing with flammable materials and landscape vegetation in fire prone ecosystems is a dumb idea. New homes and buildings in CA survived the fires due to use of more fire proof materials. 

This disaster occurred in California, that's why California and its leadership are under the microscope.  There are no answers to be found by simply shouting 'climate change!' without addressing issues of accountability.  Off the top of my head----decisions made regarding budget/staffing/equipment, predictive modeling as it relates to severity of loss in high/medium/low risk areas, deployment of resources and plans to fight disasters of this type, allocation of resources generally, review of emergency preparedness and availability of resources in the event first tier response proves inadequate.  Additionally, building codes, requirements for retrofitting existing structures, educating the public as to risks, and land management should be reviewed.

 

Perhaps, when viewed objectively and independently, the world will find everything possible was done by the dem leadership to prepare for and respond to these fires, and it was plain old bad luck that it happened on their watch.  

It simply seems to me you're quite willing to state "Ah, geez it happens everywhere!" because it's your guys on the hot seat this time.  I do agree that accountability standards should apply in red states as well. 

 

 

[daz28]

8 hours ago, IrishLass said:

 

I don't remember you complaining about this when they were going after DeSantis during the hurricanes.

 

Interestingly, it's the people of LA themselves who are going after their leaders, lol.

I honestly don't even remember anyone going after DeSanctimonious.  I don't watch much TV/cable news, and I don't recall seeing pushback on him elsewhere.  All I remember is people running out of gasoline on the highways, but don't remember his name attached to it.  Just like unplugging 20 hydrants lowers water pressure, traffic jams happen, especially when people are all dumb at the same time.  If you think the whole thing isn't about shredding Newsome, because they think he's a threat, then think again.  Look at the thread title ffs.  If you think Fox news is feeling so terrible that all those liberal celebrities' homes are burning, that they must follow it 24/7, then you don't know Fox news.  

7 hours ago, Steve O said:

"Never let a serious crisis go to waste" is straight out of the Rahm Emanuel / Hillary Clinton playbook.

 

 

You don't think this is a copycat league?

[Andy1]

5 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

It simply seems to me you're quite willing to state "Ah, geez it happens everywhere!" because it's your guys on the hot seat this time.  I do agree that accountability standards should apply in red states as well. 

Absolutely not. It does not happen everywhere. Different states and locations have different levels of risk for different events. The take home lesson is for leaders of other states and insurance companies to reassess risk, adapt infrastructure, review building codes and requirements to retrofit older buildings, zoning to allow or prohibit development, emergency response preparedness, etc. Hopefully, the costs of people living in high risk areas will not be passed on to those living in lower risk areas. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 minute ago, Andy1 said:

Absolutely not. It does not happen everywhere. Different states and locations have different levels of risk for different events. The take home lesson is for leaders of other states and insurance companies to reassess risk, adapt infrastructure, review building codes and requirements to retrofit older buildings, zoning to allow or prohibit development, emergency response preparedness, etc. Hopefully, the costs of people living in high risk areas will not be passed on to those living in lower risk areas. 

You're developing a lesson plan before addressing accountability.  

 

 

[4th&long]

23 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

This disaster occurred in California, that's why California and its leadership are under the microscope.  There are no answers to be found by simply shouting 'climate change!' without addressing issues of accountability.  Off the top of my head----decisions made regarding budget/staffing/equipment, predictive modeling as it relates to severity of loss in high/medium/low risk areas, deployment of resources and plans to fight disasters of this type, allocation of resources generally, review of emergency preparedness and availability of resources in the event first tier response proves inadequate.  Additionally, building codes, requirements for retrofitting existing structures, educating the public as to risks, and land management should be reviewed.

 

Perhaps, when viewed objectively and independently, the world will find everything possible was done by the dem leadership to prepare for and respond to these fires, and it was plain old bad luck that it happened on their watch.  

It simply seems to me you're quite willing to state "Ah, geez it happens everywhere!" because it's your guys on the hot seat this time.  I do agree that accountability standards should apply in red states as well. 

 

 

And there are no answers to be found by simply shouting accountability. The only thing I've seen so far that I trust is that the mayor cut the budget and staff and that comes from the fire chief. She wanted more money for more staff and treating to adequately fight these fires. 

 

 

[Biden is Mentally Fit]

I know one of the more challenged members here has shared Art Candee in the past. Thought I would help out with this fun tweet. 

[Orlando Buffalo]

1 hour ago, 4th&long said:

I said I wouldn't be surprised government failed. I didn't say they did. I'll wait to facts come out before I pass judgemental. I am arguing against Maga lies. You said they ran out of water. I'm sure you are just repeating trump and other right wing Maga lies. Trump stared with his bull#### some fish that they were trying to Save and they were out of water because of it. I am sick of Maga right wing lies especially during natural disasters. Did Trump start in with fems out of money again? Lol he's such an ####### you guys believe severing he says. 

What more information do you need to know that government failed? 

[BillsFanNC]

I'll wait for the facts to come out in a state that's been under complete dem control for decades.

 

But with Trump/GOP it's nail them to the wall in nanoseconds.

 

You're a hack 4th. Quit while you're behind.

[4th&long]

29 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

What more information do you need to know that government failed? 

Not right wing Maga bull ***** lies. I'm positive you don't have all the answers 24 hours into an event that is still on going. Especially when the first thing they said was LA ran out of water. First thing I read was they had water which is born out by the fact that they told people not to cook with our drink the water. You tell me why they would issue that warning if they didn't have water? I'll wait for facts to come out. 

 

Like I posted earlier budget cuts from the mayor sound like a good place to start considering the fire chief has been on that issue. If you have facts post them, I'll listen, I have no dog in the fight. If you post right wing propaganda that proves to be lies with very little digging I'm going to call it out. I expect Maga lies that it's just part of life, party or the fabric of Trump. It just really bothers me when it comes to these disasters. 

24 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

I'll wait for the facts to come out in a state that's been under complete dem control for decades.

 

But with Trump/GOP it's nail them to the wall in nanoseconds.

 

You're a hack 4th. Quit while you're behind.

A inbred hick from NC? You think I care what you got to say? You're just a clown who spasms this message board. Look at all the thread you start with all those crazy thread titles. Talk about word salad! Post some more lies from twitter. What a mess. 

Edited yesterday at 12:13 AM by 4th&long

[daz28]

56 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

Absolutely not. It does not happen everywhere. Different states and locations have different levels of risk for different events. The take home lesson is for leaders of other states and insurance companies to reassess risk, adapt infrastructure, review building codes and requirements to retrofit older buildings, zoning to allow or prohibit development, emergency response preparedness, etc. Hopefully, the costs of people living in high risk areas will not be passed on to those living in lower risk areas. 

100%.  A functioning equivalent to these silly arguments is that South Dakota does a far better job handling hurricanes than any other state.  Just look at their record.  

[Orlando Buffalo]

19 minutes ago, 4th&long said:

Not right wing Maga bull ***** lies. I'm positive you don't have all the answers 24 hours into an event that is still on going. Especially when the first thing they said was LA ran out of water. First thing I read was they had water which is born out by the fact that they told people not to cook with our drink the water. You tell me why they would issue that warning if they didn't have water? I'll wait for facts to come out. 

 

Like I posted earlier budget cuts from the mayor sound like a good place to start considering the fire chief has been on that issue. If you have facts post them, I'll listen, I have no dog in the fight. If you post right wing propaganda that proves to be lies with very little digging I'm going to call it out. I expect Maga lies that it's just part of life, party or the fabric of Trump. It just really bothers me when it comes to these disasters.  

Are you still disputing the hydrants ran out of water? If you are disputing that you are too stupid for any discussion and that is only thing I have stated. As for "24 hours" we are almost 5 days into the fire and it is still burning. Finally the politicians failures have all occurred for years, not just in the past week. Once again same issues since prior to my introduction to them in 2008.

[4th&long]

34 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

Are you still disputing the hydrants ran out of water? If you are disputing that you are too stupid for any discussion and that is only thing I have stated. As for "24 hours" we are almost 5 days into the fire and it is still burning. Finally the politicians failures have all occurred for years, not just in the past week. Once again same issues since prior to my introduction to them in 2008.

Hydrants stopped pumping out water, LA didn't ruin our or water which was some crazy conspiracy the theory Maga was getting into. I've been posting for two days why the hydrants lost water. I'm not sure why you are even asking? I should ask you exactly what you mean about them being"out of water"? I seen some idiot Maga congress man on TV talking about that dumb fish story and they were out of water? Really? You guys are nuts. 

 

And no kidding they are still burning. They couldn't get their main way they fight these huge fires of the ground for the days? Did you think they had fire hydrants in the Forrest? (yes I tyled the two r to piss that other girl off) 

1 hour ago, daz28 said:

100%.  A functioning equivalent to these silly arguments is that South Dakota does a far better job handling hurricanes than any other state.  Just look at their record.  

I think Florida should put ice in the gulf of Mexico since rising water temps are responsible for the higher intensity of the hurricanes. What's the matter with these politicians? That's kind of like saying to water the desert, that should do a lot! 

[Orlando Buffalo]

16 minutes ago, 4th&long said:

Hydrants stopped pumping out water, LA didn't ruin our or water which was some crazy conspiracy the theory Maga was getting into. I've been posting for two days why the hydrants lost water. I'm not sure why you are even asking? I should ask you exactly what you mean about them being"out of water"? I seen some idiot Maga congress man on TV talking about that dumb fish story and they were out of water? Really? You guys are nuts. 

 

And no kidding they are still burning. They couldn't get their main way they fight these huge fires of the ground for the days? Did you think they had fire hydrants in the Forrest? (yes I tyled the two r to piss that other girl off) 

I think Florida should put ice in the gulf of Mexico since rising water temps are responsible for the higher intensity of the hurricanes. What's the matter with these politicians? That's kind of like saying to water the desert, that should do a lot! 

Your arguing what "I said" because some random person said something incorrect? Got it. Secondly LA is not a desert, nothing near LA is a desert, so your understanding of the area is stunningly ignorant. 

[4th&long]

44 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

Your arguing what "I said" because some random person said something incorrect? Got it. Secondly LA is not a desert, nothing near LA is a desert, so your understanding of the area is stunningly ignorant. 

You are incorrect. Did you ever try to educate yourself on anything before you speak on it? Hydrants ran dry in Colorado orgeon and Hawaii wild fires. 

"It's something that we have definitely started to see as, essentially, these wildland fires move into urban areas and become urban conflagrations," Faith Kearns, a water and wildfire expert with the Global Futures Laboratory at Arizona State University, told Axios.

"Our urban water supply is meant to deal more with things like a single house being on fire," she added.

 

If you think I'm going to listen to anything a biased partisan lying Maga hack has to say you are nuts. Got it. 

 

Again people like you are why I home schooled my kids. You are a big reason for the dumbing doesn't of America! 

 

When you decide to educate yourself on the current state of affairs come back and talk to me. Right now I just see you as someone who is to proud to admit he may have had party of this wrong. What you thought you knew in 2020 8 does not apply now. 

 

Even a few pages back or in the other thread that had conversation about this one of your Maga buddies posted a tweet by someone who, while he was truing to bash Cali leaders admitted that brides clearing had been going on in the state. 

I stand corrected about LA being a desert. A lot of it looks like it, some of those huge mansions don't even have a lawn on it. It is certainly brown hot and very dry there. 

 

Edited yesterday at 02:22 AM by 4th&long

[Orlando Buffalo]

25 minutes ago, 4th&long said:

You are incorrect. Did you ever try to educate yourself on anything before you speak on it? Hydrants ran dry in Colorado orgeon and Hawaii wild fires. 

"It's something that we have definitely started to see as, essentially, these wildland fires move into urban areas and become urban conflagrations," Faith Kearns, a water and wildfire expert with the Global Futures Laboratory at Arizona State University, told Axios.

"Our urban water supply is meant to deal more with things like a single house being on fire," she added.

 

If you think I'm going to listen to anything a biased partisan lying Maga hack has to say you are nuts. Got it. 

 

Again people like you are why I home schooled my kids. You are a big reason for the dumbing doesn't of America! 

 

When you decide to educate yourself on the current state of affairs come back and talk to me. Right now I just see you as someone who is to proud to admit he may have had party of this wrong. What you thought you knew in 2020 8 does not apply now. 

 

Even a few pages back or in the other thread that had conversation about this one of your Maga buddies posted a tweet by someone who, while he was truing to bash Cali leaders admitted that brides clearing had been going on in the state. 

I stand corrected about LA being a desert. A lot of it looks like it, some of those huge mansions don't even have a lawn on it. It is certainly brown hot and very dry there. 

 

Ok, that is quite the response, but what evidence do you have that LA/Cali has done enough to prep for and prevent forest fires? Also where did the hydrants stop in Oregon and Colorado, a simple Google did not bring them up.

Edited yesterday at 02:34 AM by Orlando Buffalo

[daz28]

If you held your captain crunch decoder up to what Fox news is saying, you'd hear: If Gavin Newsome had of used more socialism, he could have protected the homes of the wealthy celebrities.  This sounds about as classic communism as you can get.  Not enough money for health and basic needs for the average soviet, but plenty of money to make sure the politburo is safe and cozy.